IONITY - charging / fees / tips

KCross

Kramer wrote: »

So you're saying EV motorway motoring or regular long distance travelling should be within the sole purview of the more affluent then, i.e. those who can afford to buy 80/90/100kWh cars, at upwards of €100,000?

That's not going to help the environment in the move to greener means of transport.

:P.

Its worse than that actually... if you have no driveway/home-charging you are completely screwed!


It will improve in time as we get hubs around cities and there are more on-street solutions but in the interim its not a great story to tell prospective EV buyers who regularly do long motorway runs and have no home charging options.

Having said that, 60kWh BEV's are available for alot less than €100k. ID.3 and Kia/Hyundai offerings for €30k-€40k will do a long motorway run in this country for relatively small money, even on Ionity... which is the point most people are making here when it comes to the cost. Take the overall cost of your motoring not the one expensive bit.

Kramer

Black_Knight wrote: »

It's always been said here "don't buy a car that will rely on the public network"

I think we can all appreciate unkel's opinion & he said the opposite. He said we don't need bigger battery cars, we need smaller, faster charging cars & more available, faster chargers.

We are making zero progress now IMO & arguably going backwards with regard to EV adoption. Car prices are going up (over €50,000 for a Kona, before unsustainable tax incentives/grants), 70c/kWh+ for 100kW fast charging, expensive AC charging, far fewer chargers now per BEV on the road than 10 years ago etc.

We've covered just over 100,000 electric kilometres in the last 2 years & I'm a big EV proponent.
The only argument in favour now is "you'll save a packet by charging at home on night rate".

It's terribly disheartening .

MJohnston

We need a better charging network because we aren’t in control of battery technology. If you want to self determine the countries future for EVs, it has to be with levers you can actually control.

The third factor in this EV uptake triangle, and it’s pretty clear that time is very much of the essence.

MJohnston

If you think the only persuasion tactic is about fuel vs charging costs, I think you’re not looking hard enough.

The running costs of EVs are substantially lower in so many ways, they require so little maintenance, and even the cheap ones are so high performance compared to great ICE cars.

And there are plenty of EVs owners, and prospective owners, for whom air pollution and climate concerns are a massive deciding factor. That’s why I made the switch to an EV last year.

cros13

Current rates for Ionity (at least with the cards I have) from September 1st:

Plugsurfing: 101c/kWh
Chargemap: 89c/kWh
ChargeNow 79c/kWh]
New Motion 79c/kWh
Ionity: 79c/kWh
Maingau: 73.11c/kWh
Chargepoint 64c/kWh

I'll still be using them on occasion anyway... the Kill North and South locations are in the right spot for most of my unplanned journeys

Sheep Shagger

Gotta say I'm suprised how many people seem to rely on these pay chargers.

Am new to the BEV game and perhaps naively, I thought most people only use them for big trips to top up, and use home chargers for the majority of their needs.

Am fortunate enough to have a drive way though.

September1

I think they will adjust prices in future. I'm also not sure how equal are energy prices in Europe, they have single price of kWh in all markets but I'm pretty sure consumer prices are way more varied. This could mean different perception of this price relative to market.

Cyrus

Just has my first IONITY experience in cashel , all good and very fast speeds on the etron but the cables are bloody short aren’t they !

There was an I pace charging aswell when I got there midday yesterday

thos

Anyone confirm if Chargepoint still works with IONITY, not showing on the map on their app.
I have a Chargepoint card, planning a quick stop through Gorey tomorrow.

AndyBoBandy

Maingau card arrived in the post today, I guess straight into the bin it goes.....

Well, of course I'll hang onto it for emergencies, and for any possible future ventures into Europe...

Does the card need to be registered/activated? Ist is all in Deutche!!!

ELM327

Well you have 4 more days to use it!

Busman Paddy Lasty

Register the card to your account via the app. Serial number is on the back of the card.

Sheep Shagger

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Maingau card arrived in the post today, I guess straight into the bin it goes.....

Well, of course I'll hang onto it for emergencies, and for any possible future ventures into Europe...

Does the card need to be registered/activated? Ist is all in Deutche!!!

To use it you have to link to your account in the app.

redcup342

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Maingau card arrived in the post today, I guess straight into the bin it goes.....

Well, of course I'll hang onto it for emergencies, and for any possible future ventures into Europe...

Does the card need to be registered/activated? Ist is all in Deutche!!!

It's a bit sheet you guys don't have any competition, hopefully it will come when there is a market for it.

Ionity are rather small in Germany, it's EnBW whos king


Max 300kW, you can use your Maingau card on those still

ELM327

Whats the c/kWh on those?

MJohnston

ELM327 wrote: »

Whats the c/kWh on those?

PAYG:
39 cent/kWh at normal charging stations (AC)
49 cent/kWh at quick charging stations and High Power Chargers (HPC)

Subscription:
29 cent/kWh at normal charging stations (AC)
39 cent/kWh at quick charging stations and High Power Chargers (HPC)
EUR 4.99 per month basic fee from the 4th month onwards

https://www.enbw.com/company/investors/news-and-publications/enbw-makes-electromobility-easier-new-tariff-based-solely-on-ene.html

s8n

I'm really confused, where and what do I register with if I ever need to use these chargers ?

Black_Knight

s8n wrote: »

I'm really confused, where and what do I register with if I ever need to use these chargers ?

Ionity have an app. 79c/kWh.

Maingau (German electricity provider) also can start ionity chargers using the einfachstromladen app. 73c /kWh (if I remember correctly).

Chargepoint is another app you can use to start these chargers. Currently the cheapest at 64c/kWh.

thos

thos wrote: »

Anyone confirm if Chargepoint still works with IONITY, not showing on the map on their app.
I have a Chargepoint card, planning a quick stop through Gorey tomorrow.

Well it did, at .64c/kw

Handy with the card anyway, beats IONITY phone app.

zg3409

s8n wrote: »

I'm really confused, where and what do I register with if I ever need to use these chargers ?

What car do you have? They are CCS only so no leaf,. Some brands have a deal with Ionity for free/reduced fees.

simplest is to download Ionity app, Ionity have no RFID card. Some other options are slightly cheaper.

thos

thos wrote: »

Well it did, at .64c/kw

Handy with the card anyway, beats IONITY phone app.

Also, tip for infrequent chargers, try to finish your charge off to the nearest round €10

I did 33kwh , cost €21, but that meant Chargepoint topped up my card €10+€20 leaving me with €9ish balance on the card which I won’t use again for a good while.

oceanfroggie

Kramer wrote: »

So you're saying EV motorway motoring or regular long distance travelling should be within the sole purview of the more affluent then, i.e. those who can afford to buy 80/90/100kWh cars, at upwards of €100,000?

That's not going to help the environment in the move to greener means of transport.

:P.

Fake nues, any of the affordable EVs such as Renault Zoe, Peugeot e208, or VW ID.3 base model can complete motorway trips in Ireland on a single charge, kerry, Donegal, no problem. So no need to use public charging network on route nor Ionity. Home charging on night rate @8c/kWh and destination charging still makes BEV 10% of the fueling costs compared to ICE.

oceanfroggie

Ps. Ireland is geographically too small for Ionity to be a viable proposition here. The distances are just too short. ESB eCars have good nationwide FCP motorway coverage and improving all the time.

Cyrus

oceanfroggie wrote: »

Fake nues, any of the affordable EVs such as Renault Zoe, Peugeot e208, or VW ID.3 base model can complete motorway trips in Ireland on a single charge, kerry, Donegal, no problem. So no need to use public charging network on route nor Ionity. Home charging on night rate @8c/kWh and destination charging still makes BEV 10% of the fueling costs compared to ICE.

hang on, you can can get from Dublin to Kerry on a single charge with one of the above ? 370-380k half of it at 120km/h?

i very much doubt it

slave1

oceanfroggie wrote: »

Ps. Ireland is geographically too small for Ionity to be a viable proposition here. The distances are just too short. ESB eCars have good nationwide FCP motorway coverage and improving all the time.

LOL, been an EV driver for 4 years, eCars are brutal and no signs of improvement.
If an EV purchaser in 2020 get a car with the longest range you can afford so you can avoid the broken/single point of charging/queues that eCars strategy perpetuate.

ELM327

Cyrus wrote: »

hang on, you can can get from Dublin to Kerry on a single charge with one of the above ? 370-380k half of it at 120km/h?

i very much doubt it

No you cant, I agree

MJohnston

Cyrus wrote: »

hang on, you can can get from Dublin to Kerry on a single charge with one of the above ? 370-380k half of it at 120km/h?

i very much doubt it

In fairness, there’s nothing in the post you’re replying to that said you’d be driving at the upper speed limit

AndyBoBandy

I drove from North County Dublin to Tarbert in North Kerry about 3 weeks ago.
Left the house at 100%, drove to Artane, then down to Kerry via Birdhill supercharger. Home to Birdhill was 215km, and I arrived there at 29% (driving at 110km/h on 120km/h motorways (though as I got closer to Birdhill, I increased speed, thus reducing efficiency))

It was another 81km from Birdhill to Tarbert in Kerry, which I would have easily made without the supercharger stop (used around 20% getting there). (I stoped for a supercharge because, a. I have free supercharger km's, and b. I was getting the ferry over to Clare and going on a random drive up along the Atlantic coast so wanted the charge)

I'm driving an SR+, so a Zoe and a Kona (plus anything else in or around the 400km WLTP range bracket) would easily do the same, if not more on a full charge.

slave1

I think you'll find driving at 120 versus 110 has very little impact on efficiency Andy, plus when you are arriving at supercharger any very minor loss in SOC will be made up in combination of higher initial charging speed and you getting to the supercharger quicker.
This is where the Tesla's shine, I drive full 120 on motorways all the time as I could see virtually no difference versus 110

AndyBoBandy

I notice the projected arrival SOC always increases the more I slow down (irrelevant of course if you plan a charging stop along the way).

When I set off it projected me to arrive in Birdhill at 19%, so by going slightly slower on the motorway, as well as all round easier driving/acceleration I saved 10% by the time I got there, irrelevant for me as I had a charge stop on my route, but I wanted to try out 'efficient driving' and all that, to see how far I 'could' get without stopping for charges...

slave1

Try 120 next time, I suspect you will still see 19% predicted but as you go through your journey it will creep up quite a few percent.
My airport runs from home -airport - home inexplicably require 80% according to Tesla starting off but I do it at 70% driving at full speed limits, it's weird as generally every other Sat Nav prediction via the Tesla is really accurate

Cyrus

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I drove from North County Dublin to Tarbert in North Kerry about 3 weeks ago.
Left the house at 100%, drove to Artane, then down to Kerry via Birdhill supercharger. Home to Birdhill was 215km, and I arrived there at 29% (driving at 110km/h on 120km/h motorways (though as I got closer to Birdhill, I increased speed, thus reducing efficiency))

It was another 81km from Birdhill to Tarbert in Kerry, which I would have easily made without the supercharger stop (used around 20% getting there). (I stoped for a supercharge because, a. I have free supercharger km's, and b. I was getting the ferry over to Clare and going on a random drive up along the Atlantic coast so wanted the charge)

I'm driving an SR+, so a Zoe and a Kona (plus anything else in or around the 400km WLTP range bracket) would easily do the same, if not more on a full charge.

Tarbert is 270km give or take, Sneem/kenmare is another 100km on top of that

Cyrus

MJohnston wrote: »

In fairness, there’s nothing in the post you’re replying to that said you’d be driving at the upper speed limit

i dont care what speed they are going at, doing a 370km trip without charging is pretty unlikely, or the speed youd have to do it at would mean you would be faster stopping to charge.

ELM327

slave1 wrote: »

Try 120 next time, I suspect you will still see 19% predicted but as you go through your journey it will creep up quite a few percent.
My airport runs from home -airport - home inexplicably require 80% according to Tesla starting off but I do it at 70% driving at full speed limits, it's weird as generally every other Sat Nav prediction via the Tesla is really accurate

I find that in the summer I gain 5-7 percentage points on the arrival SOC over a 200km trip. In the winter I generally lose 1-2. It's the most accurate by far.

MJohnston

Cyrus wrote: »

i dont care what speed they are going at, doing a 370km trip without charging is pretty unlikely, or the speed youd have to do it at would mean you would be faster stopping to charge.

Well, poster also didn’t mention where the journey would start *from* so it could be a less than 300km journey (N7 M50 to Killarney for example).

Cyrus

MJohnston wrote: »

Well, poster also didn’t mention where the journey would start *from* so it could be a less than 300km journey (N7 M50 to Killarney for example).

maybe, but thats not really the jist of the post, that i took at least.

if they said you can goto parts of kerry or donegal as long as you dont travel above a certain speed and the weather is good that would be a different story.

eddhorse

Cyrus wrote: »

Tarbert is 270km give or take, Sneem/kenmare is another 100km on top of that

I drove from Lucan to Sneem last Friday ~350km SR+.
120kmph on Motorway to Birdhill ~180km, arrived with 40%. Supercharge cost €7 to 98% as they are all slow eaters.
Arrived to Sneem from Birdhill ~180km with 40%
Used a combination of ESB chargers and 3 pin plug while down there, Sneem hotel Tesla destination charger wasn't working.

Had the option to go M7 through Ionity Cashel but would take the Tesla Supercharger everytime.

Gforcemurphy

I have a question.

I just had a used Volvo XC90 T8 delivered, I appreciate the battery in that is pretty small. I have ordered a Zappi for the house but may not come for another couple of weeks. What is the best option for me if I just want to charge every now and again, and only small amounts? I see the Maingau card might make things a bit cheaper, but then I see some people saying it’s not that useful (or not any more)?

Cheers

AndyBoBandy

Gforcemurphy wrote: »

I have a question.

I just had a used Volvo XC90 T8 delivered, I appreciate the battery in that is pretty small. I have ordered a Zappi for the house but may not come for another couple of weeks. What is the best option for me if I just want to charge every now and again, and only small amounts? I see the Maingau card might make things a bit cheaper, but then I see some people saying it’s not that useful (or not any more)?

Cheers

forget about Ionity (or any DC fast charger) as it's CCS whereas your Volvo is Type 2 only

just use eCars AC22's @ about €0.26 per kWh

the max you can pull is 3.7kW with your onboard AC charger

redcup342

Gforcemurphy wrote: »

I have a question.

I just had a used Volvo XC90 T8 delivered, I appreciate the battery in that is pretty small. I have ordered a Zappi for the house but may not come for another couple of weeks. What is the best option for me if I just want to charge every now and again, and only small amounts? I see the Maingau card might make things a bit cheaper, but then I see some people saying it’s not that useful (or not any more)?

Cheers

You can't use Ionity as it's CCS only, your Volvo is Type 2 Mennekes so you can only use AC Charging

I wouldn't even bother with the Zappi for the house, The XC90 T8 only charges at max 3.7kW, the Zappi will only be a tiny bit faster than the normal wall charger.

Can you still cancel the order for the Zappi ? Would be a terrible waste of money.

Gforcemurphy

Thanks, I still need to get my head around all the charging options.

The thinking behind the Zappi was (1) I have solar panels and want to get some dedicated use from them, and (2) I am conscious that our next car will almost certainly be fully electric, so I was buying with the future in mind, and didn’t want to ‘just’ buy for the PHEV.

Anyway, none of these chargers are cheap, right? (Granted, Zappi seems a bit pricier.)

redcup342 wrote: »

You can't use Ionity as
it's CCS only, your Volvo is Type 2 Mennekes so you can only use AC Charging

I wouldn't even bother with the Zappi for the house, The XC90 T8 only charges at max 3.7kW, the Zappi will only be a tiny bit faster than the normal wall charger.

Can you still cancel the order for the Zappi ? Would be a terrible waste of money.

Lumen

redcup342 wrote: »

I wouldn't even bother with the Zappi for the house, The XC90 T8 only charges at max 3.7kW, the Zappi will only be a tiny bit faster than the normal wall charger.

I only get about 10A from a granny charger and my house only gives out about 220V, so 3.7 is still 70% faster.

redcup342

Gforcemurphy wrote: »

Thanks, I still need to get my head around all the charging options.

The thinking behind the Zappi was (1) I have solar panels and want to get some dedicated use from them, and (2) I am conscious that our next car will almost certainly be fully electric, so I was buying with the future in mind, and didn’t want to ‘just’ buy for the PHEV.

Anyway, none of these chargers are cheap, right? (Granted, Zappi seems a bit pricier.)

You'd probably be better off waiting until you get a BEV to get the install done, might be a new product on the market by then.

Have a look on http://www.chargemap.com

Set your filter to:
Type 2
Type 2 (cable attached)
British plug

You can use all of those.

KCross

redcup342 wrote: »

You'd probably be better off waiting until you get a BEV to get the install done, might be a new product on the market by then.

Have a look on http://www.chargemap.com

Set your filter to:
Type 2
Type 2 (cable attached)
British plug

You can use all of those.

I'd disagree.... he has a PHEV and Solar, the Zappi will give him several benefits over running an extension lead and a granny cable... and more importantly by the time he gets a BEV the grant might be gone and/or the price of the Zappi gone up.

Draw the grant now while the going is good. Its not wasted money.

mp3guy

Hyundai joins Ionity as a shareholder;

https://ionity.eu/en/news-and-media.html

BigAl81

mp3guy wrote:

Hyundai joins Ionity as a shareholder;

Cool, so special pricing coming soon for Hyundai drivers then!??

Rusky rusky

Has anyone successfully charged at ionity cashed using we charge card from vw?
I had to charge on esb charge as the we charge card would beep but wouldn’t unlock the charger last Saturday. Same with all 4 chargers. After a few calls to ionity I convinced them to reboot the 1st charger but even after that I couldn’t start the charge. The screen was unlocked ( they had an abb screensaver) and directed me to plug in the cable. I didn’t but the ready to charge button would work. Swiped the card, it beeped but nothing happened. Agent said that the problem lies with card. Funny enough used the same card on 2 esb 50kW charges and at ionity in kill afterwards with any drama. I have also tried to call we charge customer service using the number on the card but despite the claim that they are 24/7 I only got a call back this afternoon. Long story short - they are only there to process your complaints, they can’t help you with any immediate problems with charging. They wanted a picture of the station, I gave them the number from ionity app and they said they’ll investigate. Ionity were blaming we charge, we charge is blaming ionity. Btw ionity solution was to pay with credit card at 73c/kWh which I didn’t want to do as I have a free credit with we charge. Agent said that we charge doesn’t qualify for remote activation. So I wouldn’t rely solely on ionity with we charge card...

PS I think I lost my wallet at the ionity kill north around 7pm on 5.12. Nothing has been handed over to the petrol station but if some found it between 7pm on 5.12 an 6.30 pm on the 6.12, ping me pls.

Black_Knight

Did you plug the car in first, or swipe the card/fob first?

There's a timeout if you plug the cable in but don't initiate the charge quickly. Could also be a failed handshake between the car and unit.

1. Make sure the socket is shoved into the car good and proper - even hold if until charging starts
2. Don't hang about, plug in, swipe the card

Rusky rusky

Black_Knight wrote: »

Did you plug the car in first, or swipe the card/fob first?

There's a timeout if you plug the cable in but don't initiate the charge quickly. Could also be a failed handshake between the car and unit.

1. Make sure the socket is shoved into the car good and proper - even hold if until charging starts
2. Don't hang about, plug in, swipe the card

Did both, neither worked. After reboot the instructions appeared on the screen. Plug-in swiped nothing happened, charging button wouldn’t work. This was all done while on the phone to customer support. The stations in kill had different screens with instructions displayed. In cashel they had ABB screensavers. No instructions until you unlock the charger. No instructions on the unit themselves unlike on triplehead esb chargers.

ELM327

You have to a) ignore the onscreen instructions and b) hold the cable during the handshake if it doesnt work the first time (essentially nosing in the type 2 part of the CCS connector to ensure good grounding and connection)