IONITY - charging / fees / tips

Rusky rusky · 07-12-2020 5:38pm

ELM327 wrote: »

You have to a) ignore the onscreen instructions and b) hold the cable during the handshake if it doesnt work the first time (essentially nosing in the type 2 part of the CCS connector to ensure good grounding and connection)

Never got the handshake part. Tbh in Kill it worked fine, in Cashel it didn’t work at all.

ELM327 · 07-12-2020 5:56pm

back in the day, when easygo provided free Ionity use, the fob would work on perhaps 1 of every 4 attempts. I had particular issues in Cashel. Now, when it's nefariously free, you have no one to complain to! But the issue sounds similar. perhaps there is poor connectivity there or something

kanuseeme · 07-12-2020 6:10pm

Maybe its a lack of use.

eagerv · 07-12-2020 6:18pm

I have been to Gorey probably ten times now, have yet to meet anyone else at Ionity. The odd EV at the ECars charger. The county lock down probably partly the reason, but the services was busy enough today at lunch time.

Rusky rusky · 07-12-2020 6:22pm

ELM327 wrote: »

back in the day, when easygo provided free Ionity use, the fob would work on perhaps 1 of every 4 attempts. I had particular issues in Cashel. Now, when it's nefariously free, you have no one to complain to! But the issue sounds similar. perhaps there is poor connectivity there or something

Well, I’m going to wait for the outcome of the we charge “investigation”&#55357;&#56834;

markpb · 07-12-2020 6:28pm

eagerv wrote: »

I have been to Gorey probably ten times now, have yet to meet anyone else at Ionity. The odd EV at the ECars charger. The county lock down probably partly the reason, but the services was busy enough today at lunch time.

I was at Cashel and Gorey over the summer. 2 cars (including mine) at Cashel and 3 (including mine) at Gorey.

The pricing might be nuts but the current circumstances mean that it's impossible to gauge the level of use they would normally get. Filing stations will always be busy because people always need fossil fuels, even if they're in lockdown. EV stations like Ionity will only be busy when there lots of intercity travel going on.

KCross · 07-12-2020 6:52pm

Rusky rusky wrote: »

Has anyone successfully charged at ionity cashed using we charge card from vw?.

I have but it was over a month ago now.

eagerv · 07-12-2020 7:47pm

Rusky rusky wrote: »

Has anyone successfully charged at ionity cashed using we charge card from vw?

Might be calling by in next week or so, will report back.

Btw, hope you find your wallet, that would piss me off on top of everything else..

eagerv · 21-12-2020 6:41pm

Was at Cashel today, my first time at the Ionity there.

Not the best Ionity I have been to:), busy at lunch time. It was ICEd by 3 cars when I was there, one left just before the Model 3 pulled in.

Kramer · 21-12-2020 6:56pm

eagerv wrote: »

Was at Cashel today.........
Not the best Ionity I have been to.....It was ICEd by 3 cars when I was there

I'd be there often enough & it often/usually has ICE drivers on a couple of the spaces.
No deterrent = people don't care.

The eCars triple is often blocked too.

KCross · 21-12-2020 6:56pm

eagerv wrote: »

Was at Cashel today ...

Snap.

1 was ICE'd when I arrived ~3pm. The other 3 were free and I got a healthy 100kW from it and 82kW average over 24mins... nice!

Kramer · 21-12-2020 7:16pm

KCross wrote: »

I got a healthy 100kW from it and 82kW average over 24mins... nice!

33kWh approx so which would be €26 for a "paying" customer.
That'd get a Model 3 approx 160km up the motorway so 16c/km :eek:.

Almost 3 times what a modern diesel would cost & exactly double what my turbocharged, 250+ bhp, 5 series petrol PHEV costs, running exclusively on petrol.

It's a pity Ionity are just so damn expensive

.

Cyrus · 21-12-2020 7:32pm

KCross wrote: »

Snap.

1 was ICE'd when I arrived ~3pm. The other 3 were free and I got a healthy 100kW from it and 82kW average over 24mins... nice!

They should really do something about that , it’s not on that fast chargers are being blocked

eagerv · 21-12-2020 7:37pm

KCross wrote: »

Snap.

1 was ICE'd when I arrived ~3pm. The other 3 were free and I got a healthy 100kW from it and 82kW average over 24mins... nice!

Pity I left before you arrived, would have liked to meet the great KC..:D

My speed was only half yours, as I expected. Didn't actually need to charge at all, only did 200km today. But wanted to try when I was in the area...

eagerv · 21-12-2020 8:13pm

Kramer wrote: »

33kWh approx so which would be €26 for a "paying" customer.
That'd get a Model 3 approx 160km up the motorway so 16c/km :eek:.

Almost 3 times what a modern diesel would cost & exactly double what my turbocharged, 250+ bhp, 5 series petrol PHEV costs, running exclusively on petrol.

It's a pity Ionity are just so damn expensive .

I hear what you are saying, but for me anyway, the price is not that important. There is no way I will be filling up the car at Ionity when my free period is finished:). But it will be very convenient for a quick 100km or whatever to get me home when needed.

KCross · 21-12-2020 8:18pm

eagerv wrote: »

I hear what you are saying, but for me anyway, the price is not that important. There is no way I will be filling up the car at Ionity when my free period is finished:). But it will be very convenient for a quick 100km or whatever to get me home when needed.

For sure. Its the peace of mind as well that there are 4 chargers there that makes it worth it.

I've used Ionity a few times over the last few months and twice one of the chargers wouldnt work so I just hopped to the next one and it worked away. Thats worth the premium all day long relative to single point of failure from eCars!

Black_Knight · 21-12-2020 8:27pm

KCross wrote: »

For sure. Its the peace of mind as well that there are 4 chargers there that makes it worth it.

I've used Ionity a few times over the last few months and twice one of the chargers wouldnt work so I just hopped to the next one and it worked away. Thats worth the premium all day long relative to single point of failure from eCars!

So... We only use them because some times there's no other option. What a selling point!

I too would happily use them for the very few times I'd need to, but if ecars is available I'd use them. Granted, the 68kW I'd get from ionity Vs the 45kW I get from ecars on a 28kWh battery means the only real difference i see is the price. Time saved is minimal... Unless ecars is occupied

KCross · 21-12-2020 9:19pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

So... We only use them because some times there's no other option. What a selling point!

Get used to it I'd say.

Ionity and eCars is all we will get for the forseeable. You would need very deep pockets and a very long term business plan to go up against Ionity and eCars in this country now, particularly with alot of the prime motorway spots already spoken for.

Black_Knight · 21-12-2020 10:45pm

KCross wrote: »

Get used to it I'd say.

Ionity and eCars is all we will get for the forseeable. You would need very deep pockets and a very long term business plan to go up against Ionity and eCars in this country now, particularly with alot of the prime motorway spots already spoken for.

God speed easy go (who claim 2021 will be a busy year for them). Fair play to them though, SuperValu units, a few in colleges, one in West Cork expanding the reaches of Cork. They have their problems, but I hope they can do good things with their phone box deal with eir

Marlow · 22-12-2020 1:28am

eagerv wrote: »

Was at Cashel today, my first time at the Ionity there.

Not the best Ionity I have been to:), busy at lunch time. It was ICEd by 3 cars when I was there, one left just before the Model 3 pulled in.

That's very normal down there.

/M

Silent Running · 30-12-2020 6:52pm

Absolutely delighted!

Ionity have opened a new charging station at Chippenham on the M4 in the UK. This is about halfway on my regular run to across the UK to visit my daughter. When we get to travel again it will really change the drive for me.

Previously, I had to head for Membury services and Ecotricity charging, a single CCS charger that is not at all reliable. Last time I did the trip in January I needed a 45 minute stop, which was OK as that was time enough to get some food. But this meant arriving at my destination around 7pm. Now with Ionity and my new 125kW charging ID.3 - when I get it - I can just do a 12 minute top up at Chippenham (according to ABRP). Meaning that I can get to my destination and be in time for tea! 12 minutes charge to travel 618kms isn't too bad.

Black_Knight · 30-12-2020 8:58pm

^^ while it means nothing to me (I'll never use that unit) it makes me happy to see these little wins for people. One less "well because I drive electric I've this inconvenience" for nay sayers to rabble on about.

innrain · 03-01-2021 11:34am

I came across a new provider who claims 45c/kWh at Ionity. https://mvv.chargecloud.de I've signed up and the process was similar to Maingau. Post code needs to be in XXX XXXX (note the space). I used chrome on PC. As payment method accepts only SEPA. The Android app is for German market but it works on browser. I've created a shortcut to home. Unfortunately I can't test it for obvious reasons but if you live nearby Ionity let us know.
More about the company on wiki

Silent Running · 03-01-2021 12:40pm

innrain wrote: »

I came across a new provider who claims 45c/kWh at Ionity. https://mvv.chargecloud.de I've signed up and the process was similar to Maingau. Post code needs to be in XXX XXXX (note the space). I used chrome on PC. As payment method accepts only SEPA. The Android app is for German market but it works on browser. I've created a shortcut to home. Unfortunately I can't test it for obvious reasons but if you live nearby Ionity let us know.
More about the company on wiki

The country won't change from Germany. Did you just ignore this and carry on?

innrain · 03-01-2021 12:44pm

It opens like a new window
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Silent Running · 03-01-2021 12:45pm

innrain wrote: »

It opens like a new window

I selected Ireland in that window, but it didn't change from Germany on the form.

innrain · 03-01-2021 12:54pm

It does it for me

innrain · 03-01-2021 12:59pm

innrain wrote: »

It does it for me

I'm on Firefox now. I see it does't in Chrome

Silent Running · 03-01-2021 1:00pm

innrain wrote: »

I'm on Firefox now. I see it does't in Chrome

Thanks, I'll try another browser.

Silent Running · 03-01-2021 1:06pm

innrain wrote: »

I'm on Firefox now. I see it does't in Chrome

Seems to have gone through with Brave. Did you get a confirmation e-mail?

loopymum · 04-01-2021 12:35am

Got registered and used revolut as my payment method

AndyBoBandy · 04-01-2021 10:52am

Would love for someone to give this a go and confirm the rate of €0.45/kWh

innrain · 04-01-2021 1:54pm

Silent Running wrote: »

Seems to have gone through with Brave. Did you get a confirmation e-mail?

No email to confirm account.

It will be nice to see if it's working tough.

unkel · 04-01-2021 2:45pm

Can anyone do a quick recap please? I've never used Ionity, but I do have the app, can login to it and it has my payment method, but it says it will charge €0.73 / kWh

There is no point anymore in using another app like Maingau to get this rate down? And no, I do not own a VW ID.3, I know they can charge cheaper at Ionity (and with some free credit too)

Cyrus · 04-01-2021 2:47pm

unkel wrote: »

C
There is no point anymore in using another app like Maingau to get this rate down?

thats what this purports to be

Black_Knight · 04-01-2021 3:01pm

Cyrus wrote: »

thats what this purports to be

Well charge point app is 64c/kWh. It's at least somewhat cheaper than ionity

innrain · 04-01-2021 5:03pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

Well charge point app is 64c/kWh. It's at least somewhat cheaper than ionity

The Ionity app preauth 80 quid for each session. If you have some failed ones you end up quickly with some good chunk of you cc blocked. It takes about 7 days to clear.

https://support.ionity.eu/en/payment-billing/why-is-my-credit-card-paypal-account-pre-authorised

ELM327 · 04-01-2021 5:09pm

innrain wrote: »

The Ionity app preauth 80 quid for each session. If you have some failed ones you end up quickly with some good chunk of you cc blocked. It takes about 7 days to clear.

https://support.ionity.eu/en/payment-billing/why-is-my-credit-card-paypal-account-pre-authorised

ANyone using the direct ionity app needs their head examined.
Chargepoint is cheaper. Not the maingau saving but still better than 80c

kanuseeme · 04-01-2021 5:54pm

innrain wrote: »

The Ionity app preauth 80 quid for each session. If you have some failed ones you end up quickly with some good chunk of you cc blocked. It takes about 7 days to clear.

https://support.ionity.eu/en/payment-billing/why-is-my-credit-card-paypal-account-pre-authorised

Backwards they are going. Are they trying to make ICE cars more affordable or something?:D:D:D

liamog · 04-01-2021 6:20pm

kanuseeme wrote: »

Backwards they are going. Are they trying to make ICE cars more affordable or something?:D:D:D

Do we need to remind people again that Ionity don't want to play in the B2C space

Bixler3 · 04-01-2021 8:23pm

New pricing from Maingau as of 1/1/21 is 75c per kWh at Ionity chargers.

Black_Knight · 04-01-2021 10:12pm

Bixler3 wrote: »

New pricing from Maingau as of 1/1/21 is 75c per kWh at Ionity chargers.

That's it! Maingau are going on the naughty list!

kanuseeme · 04-01-2021 10:57pm

Bixler3 wrote: »

New pricing from Maingau as of 1/1/21 is 75c per kWh at Ionity chargers.

Seems like Ionity are not the only ones who don't want to play in the B2C space.

:D:D

liamog · 05-01-2021 12:22am

kanuseeme wrote: »

Seems like Ionity are not the only ones who don't want to play in the B2C space.

:D:D

Ionity seem to be offering terrible prices to mobility network operators, it's almost like they've been set up to sell cars via a member company instead of electricity to customers ... ...

MJohnston · 05-01-2021 2:03am

Remarkable that in Ireland they still have only launched a VW subscription out of pretty much all the manufacturers in the group.

liamog · 05-01-2021 2:46am

MJohnston wrote: »

Remarkable that in Ireland they still have only launched a VW subscription out of pretty much all the manufacturers in the group.

I think it's only BMW and Ford that don't offer a subscription yet, notably they also don't have cars that can take advantage of the higher charging speed.

Hyundai (and Kia) only recently finished onboarding, it's not clear whether they will offer the service to existing Kona/Niro drivers.

I see the benefits of the Ionity approach, but it does leave a sour tasted for those who drive earlier cars from the brands.

Cyrus · 05-01-2021 8:20am

MJohnston wrote: »

Remarkable that in Ireland they still have only launched a VW subscription out of pretty much all the manufacturers in the group.

Audi have one but the monthly fee means you’d need to use it regularly

wassie · 05-01-2021 10:50am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Would love for someone to give this a go and confirm the rate of €0.45/kWh

Signed up last night and followed @innrains directions. Using N26 account which is also a German bank, but that shouldn’t really make any difference.

Tested on the Ionity chargers at Athlone Circle K and all worked ok and pricing is €0.45 kWh

Reported I had used 11.36kWh but then in transactions details showed 9.086kWh. Was charged on the lower figure.

Disappointed I only could get starting charge rate of ~46kW (40%) which soon dropped to ~30kW by 55%, although outside temp is at zero.

Still makes infrequent use of these chargers now viable for me.

Kudos to @innrain for the tip.

liamog · 05-01-2021 10:52am

wassie wrote: »

Disappointed I only could get starting charge rate of ~46kW (40%) which soon dropped to ~30kW by 55%, although outside temp is at zero.

Still makes infrequent use of these charges now viable for me.

Thanks for taking the risk and confirming it worked

. Which car do you drive?

wassie · 05-01-2021 10:53am

liamog wrote: »

Thanks for taking the risk and confirming it worked . Which car do you drive?

Tesla Model 3

Should also mention I plugged in first then selected charge on the (web) app. Although I suspect it would work in reverse also.

IONITY - charging / fees / tips

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