Woman convicted for false rape allegation against 12 men in Cyprus (Overturned in Jan22)

anewme

Ironicname wrote: »

Impossible to tell as there is no benchmark but she certainly seems more than lucid and more than capable and willing to participate.

I'm asking the other poster who said she appeared very drunk.

Ironicname

How would they know if she was too drunk to consent?

Actually, you tell me, how would you know if someone is too drunk to consent?

anewme

Ironicname wrote: »

How would they know if she was too drunk to consent?

The said she appeared very drunk..l'm asking their opinion in it.

Ironicname

anewme wrote:

The said she appeared very drunk..l'm asking their opinion in it.

Ok. And I am asking you... What would prove in a video that someone was too drunk to consent?

anewme

Ironicname wrote: »

Ok. And I am asking you... What would prove in a video that someone was too drunk to consent?

I've not seen any videos, so no idea, that's why I'm asking the person who said she seemed very drunk.

Ironicname

anewme wrote:

I've not seen any videos, so no idea, that's why I'm asking the person who said she seemed very drunk.

Well I've seen them and she seemed to have had a few. Now tell me, what would you need to see in order to make you feel someone couldn't consent?

str8talkingguy

Ironicname wrote: »

In your opinion. Some women like anal. Others feel that it is demeaning.

Sexual proclivity is up to the individual.

You by your own standards are slut shaming.

Yeah i understand why u feel that way i guess i'm pissing into the wind you will have to learn it yourself,either you will learn it or you will just end up confused but either way as sure as night follows day eventually you are gonna end up in some pain as everyone is who believes this.

anewme

Ironicname wrote: »

Well I've seen them and she seemed to have had a few. Now tell me, what would you need to see in order to make you feel someone couldn't consent?

Why do I need to tell you anything?

I've not addressed you at all.

Who are you to demand answers from me?

pinkyeye

What I find most disturbing here is the amount of people who have apparently watched a video of this? Why why why would you watch such a video??

Makes me sick just to think about it.

Ironicname

str8talkingguy wrote:

Yeah i understand why u feel that way i guess i'm pissing into the wind you will have to learn it yourself,either you will learn it or you will just end up confused but either way as sure as night follows day eventually you are gonna end up in some pain as everyone is who believes this.

Wtf?

anewme wrote:

Who are you to demand answers from me?

I asked your opinion on a discussion forum. Calm down. Don't engage if you don't want to. Ffs.

anewme

pinkyeye wrote: »

What I find most disturbing here is the amount of people who have apparently watched a video of this? Why why why would you watch such a video??

Makes me sick just to think about it.

Yep ffs.

BorneTobyWilde

If video is fake, I've not seen it, but if its fake then how can you come to a conclusion on case with an old video that is not related.

Guy:Incognito

pinkyeye wrote: »

What I find most disturbing here is the amount of people who have apparently watched a video of this? Why why why would you watch such a video??

Makes me sick just to think about it.

Suppose it depends on your views. At the end of the day, it's people having sex. Porn. That's it.

And at that , it may not even be the people concerned going by certain sources.

BorneTobyWilde

But porn is something consented to, it's signed sealed and delivered. Hard to call a tape recorded in an encounter like this porn.

Guy:Incognito

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

But porn is something consented to, it's signed sealed and delivered. Hard to call a tape recorded in an encounter like this porn.

But it's been said theres nothing in it to indicate it wasn't consented to. Do porn clips have a little bit at the start where all participants stand there and declare their consent?

The internet is awash with clips of people riding recorded on phones.

mrmorgan

anewme wrote: »

Why do I need to tell you anything?

I've not addressed you at all.

Who are you to demand answers from me?

This is the reason some people stop using boards... muppets like u

Quantum Erasure

anewme wrote: »

Is she too drunk to consent?

how would someone judge that?

BorneTobyWilde

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

But it's been said theres nothing in it to indicate it wasn't consented to. Do porn clips have a little bit at the start where all participants stand there and declare their consent?

The internet is awash with clips of people riding recorded on phones.

How is that regulated though. How can sites like Pornhub allow all these clips from phones to be on site when no one knows who's in them or how old they are. Pornhub must be full of 15-17 year olds riding or sucking guys, WTF.
Commercially produced porn is regulated, all performers are over 18, but all those phone videos on porn sites.. who knows if person is 15 or 18.
15-18 year olds look the same so its okay for pornhub to allow it, makes no sense to me.

UcdLaw22

Ironicname wrote: »

Well I've seen them and she seemed to have had a few. Now tell me, what would you need to see in order to make you feel someone couldn't consent?

Weren't some of the boys involved as young as 15..you you do realise that if the video is real and any of the participants are under the age of 18 you've legally accessed and watched child pornography?

freshpopcorn

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I must live a very sheltered life with all these supposed orgies going on.

A lot of it depends on the social circle you mix you and how willing you'll go back to hotel, houses, after nights out from what I know.
One thing I learnt during the Belfast trial a few years ago was some people have no idea what there son/daughter gets up to on a night out. They are so proud of how they raised them and there kids would never act or use language like that. However when mammy is away they can.
(Similar with drug use)

meathstevie

thequarefellow wrote: »

I don't have an opinion on her guilt. I suggested that the truth of the situation might come out over time and that people should keep an open mind in that regard before labelling the girl as a dishonest slut. She was not allowed a lawyer during her interrogation and neither was it recorded. The Cypriot police have a history of misogynistic behaviour such that local Cypriot women have come out in support of the girl. Their investigations into the event were not exactly exemplary either - hotel guests that booked into the room after the event found a used condom.

Was the absence of a solicitor when she provided her statement of complaint or when she was interviewed as a suspect in relation to the then alleged act of perjury?

If it was during the recording of her initial complaint then that’s absolutely fine. Very few people walk into a police station to make a complaint accompanied by a solicitor.

ILoveYourVibes

anewme wrote: »

The said she appeared very drunk..l'm asking their opinion in it.

Why do men sleep with drunk women? Desperation?
Why not ...just sleep only with sober women?

Is that a lot to ask?

I cursed all rapists today anyway. So if they are guilty they will get what is coming to them if not ..all is well.

Wouldn't it be wonderful of the above was possible so much simpler!

Did she or any of the 12 take a lie detector?

batman_oh

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Why do men sleep with drunk women? Desperation?
Why not ...just sleep only with sober women?

Is that a lot to ask?

I cursed all rapists today anyway. So if they are guilty they will get what is coming to them if not ..all is well.

Wouldn't it be wonderful of the above was possible so much simpler!

Did she or any of the 12 take a lie detector?

Why do drunk women sleep with men? Is it too much to ask that women just don't drink and only do it when totally sober.

See how stupid that is? I'm gonna assume not

ILoveYourVibes

Seems an unlikely possibility a 19 yr old girl would want to get used /sleep with whatever way you want to put it...with 12 twats she doesn't know.
That would be unusual.
Could the guys speak good English? Most Israelis don't.

I am curious as to how ALL twelve of them separately asked her consent and got it.

ILoveYourVibes

batman_oh wrote: »

Why do drunk women sleep with men? Is it too much to ask that women just don't drink and only do it when totally sober.

See how stupid that is? I'm gonna assume not

If women can't drink then neither can men.

Its like saying that guy lying on the street who got raped by the Algerian lad shouldn't have drunk and to be fair he shouldn't have ...he was asking for something. It was partially his fault.

So yeah ...she shouldn't have watched herself.

But they should have raped or had sex with her. All twelve of them ??

If i were her mother i would have castrated them all guilty or not.

Why do stupid children make enemies?

Did they not think she would try and get them back? Even if they didn't rape her ..stupid little boys.

Their lives in Israel are ruined now.

ILoveYourVibes

batman_oh wrote: »

Why do drunk women sleep with men?

They don't they just lie there.

I tell you what tho..i will not be going to cyprus or Israel soon ...you know * Israel the big murder and now rape country*. :rolleyes: Because Irish people are usually telling me Israelis are insane.

Its like the only thread where people are defending Israelis. Its hilarious.

Imagine if she were a Palestinian girl!

Poor girl she's only british.

These lads will be serving their time in the army pretty soon.

I am sure they are totally trustworthy to be handed power of others ...partic palestinian women and children.

Bigmac1euro

How can anyone here actually defend this woman.
A friend showed me the videos the other day. About 5 videos.
She’s videoing some of it herself and what appears to be afterwards with music playing. She doesn’t even look intoxicated in the slightest. She actually holds the video on herself and shows the lower part of her body then then a man with his back to the camera (unknowingly I’d say) leaving her bed with music playing.
And that’s just one of the videos.

She done what she done
It was recorded and she recorded some of it
She realized it will go viral and destroy her life back in the UK and regrets it.
She decides to shout rape probably in the hope the videos won’t be distributed.
While doing this knowingly possibly destroys a number of other people’s lives in the process. (Probably regrets this as well)
Gets caught out.
What a silly silly girl. Deserves prison time. End of story. Case closed.
She done wrong and it’s as simple as that.
The evidence is all there. There’s nothing to even discuss anymore.

Israeli Greek Chinese Japanese doesn’t matter the race of the people involved in the slightest.

ILoveYourVibes

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

How can anyone here actually defend this woman.
A friend showed me the videos the other day. About 5 videos.
She’s videoing some of it herself and what appears to be afterwards with music playing. She doesn’t even look intoxicated in the slightest. She actually holds the video on herself and shows the lower part of her body then then a man with his back to the camera (unknowingly I’d say) leaving her bed with music playing.
And that’s just one of the videos.

She done what she done
It was recorded and she recorded some of it
She realized it will go viral and destroy her life back in the UK and regrets it.
She decides to shout rape probably in the hope the videos won’t be distributed.
While doing this knowingly possibly destroys a number of other people’s lives in the process. (Probably regrets this as well)
Gets caught out.
What a silly silly girl. Deserves prison time. End of story. Case closed.
She done wrong and it’s as simple as that.
The evidence is all there. There’s nothing to even discuss anymore.

Israeli Greek Chinese Japanese doesn’t matter the race of the people involved in the slightest.

How do you know that is the correct video there are lots of fakes.

As far as i know no one has seen what she looks like??

Why did you watch the tapes?

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Seems an unlikely possibility a 19 yr old girl would want to get used /sleep with whatever way you want to put it...with 12 twats she doesn't know.
That would be unusual.
Could the guys speak good English? Most Israelis don't.

I am curious as to how ALL twelve of them separately asked her consent and got it.

Wow. Threads like these really bring out the worst in people.

From this post and the subsequent ones you posted, I can't tell whether you are attempting to be misandrist, anti-semetic, or just plain old stirring but some of your posts are really idiotic.

A woman, who the court found lied about being raped, who has filmed herself engaging in the act willingly, had sex with multiple partners.

Just because you do not understand that some women enjoy group sex, doesn't make a difference. I find it strange that in cases like this, the men involved always are the "bad guys", even when they are found not guilty.

It is a horrible case, nobody should "slut shame" (*shudder) the girl for engaging in sex with multiple partners, but as it was judged, she lied about rape and therefore must face the consequences of her action and I have as much time for people who lie about rape as I do for people who do rape.

Both are despicable.

SusieBlue

Wasn't one of the men in question (the one videoing it) her boyfriend? And the other lads were his pals?