Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

Marcos

jetfiremuck wrote: »

Lets not forget the added multiplier X4 of family/ relations (as a guess )reunification option which is well understood amongst those seeking asylum............the camels nose under the tent.

Four? In your dreams, they'll try and claim as many more as they can.

Tea drinker

cgcsb wrote: »

So in the canaries there's a fresh wave of migration. A friend of mine lives close to the port of Arguiniguin on Gran Canaria, so he was able to fill me in on the particulars, separate from what the media are saying. Although the Canaries are relatively close to the coast of Western Sahara, that's still 100km of rough North Atlantic water, not doable in a small craft, hence why the canaries don't get much in the way of migration by sea, it is much safer to cross the med at gibraltar or to malta. On this occasion however the Spanish Navy/Coast guard delivered the migrants. By doing so Spain has undoubtedly violated Moroccan sovereignty by entering their waters, no matter the reason. Indeed most European navies (Ireland included) have been violating the maritime territory of various African countries in the Med to pick up migrants in recent years.

The canaries case is interesting because why would the Spanish navy chose to illegally enter Moroccan waters on that day, why would the migrants get on small craft and go for a paddle that day, in full knowledge that it would have been impossible to reach the canaries in small craft. I guess the only reasonable explanation is, the Spanish knew they would be there and the migrants knew they would be rescued, which raises further questions about how high up the chain of people smuggling goes. Local expats, generally north European folks, on the island seem to be divided on the issue with some tripping over themselves trying to explain away the almost uniform gender and age profile of the migrants and others being outright hostile to them, refusing to cooperate with the government's attempt to block book accommodation for them. The local Canarian folks are 99% united in that they do not want migrants from Africa, it's viewed as an imposition by Madrid. The Canaries aren't a wealthy part of Spain, tourism is by far the biggest industry and that means wages are low, coronavirus has made things very lean for them, they're not long over the strictest lockdown in the western world, tolerance is wearing thin especially when they see migrants being offered accommodation and meals free of charge and they do not have the same PC culture that exists in Northern Europe, they'll not be shy about expressing opinions. Food is expensive there, relative to local purchasing power, so the free meals are a real bone of contention, which obviously wouldn't be the case in somewhere like Ireland.

The local media has avoided interviewing the migrants or even showing close up pictures for more than a few seconds on news reports, apparently knowing that the gender and age profile is a sensitive topic. There are a small group of Swedish / Dutch / English people organising charity drives for them (food, clothes, money etc.). This is really escalating tensions locally because the same people have, in the past, not organised any such thing for canarians who are struggling now and who really suffered during the 2008 crash and there is some new found resentment in mixed communities that were previously harmonious. Local English language publications have also come out strongly in favour of the migrants regardless of local sentiment.

NATO is the biggest people smuggling ring on the planet. It manufactures refugees then as an "act of contrition" bring the refugees (and migrants) across EU borders. Can these people stop bombing countries, leave them alone, and FFS, leave us alone too?
In terms of diversity, I mean bio diversity, we need to be reducing our population in EU not increasing it.

cgcsb

I think whatever the case really is, it's not what the media claims. Whoever makes the profits from this is obviously very powerful, can command the Navies of Europe to deliberately violate territory of a third country and carry out missions that certainly endanger their homelands and can even tell the media to hush up certain things. Either way it's very insidious. I don't think anyone really thinks that the migrants as a group are bad people, they're normal folks, from different circumstances, doing what they can to improve their lives same as all of us. On a grand scale though, their arrivals are certainly damaging to host countries as we've seen in France, the UK, Belgium etc.

Kivaro

cgcsb wrote: »

So in the canaries there's a fresh wave of migration. A friend of mine lives close to the port of Arguiniguin on Gran Canaria, so he was able to fill me in on the particulars, separate from what the media are saying......

The media are already having a field day with the African migrants in the Canaries. Watched an interview with an English NGO rep a couple of days ago who chastised the authorities in Gran Canaria and Arguiniguin for not foreseeing the large influx of migrants and not having the infrastructure already set up for them. It was surreal watching her blame the Canarians and Spanish authorities for this situation, and of course like most of them do, she had a real smug face on her.

If the Spanish do not cut off the African migrant boats to the Canaries, it may well push the Islands for secession from Spain. It is disappointing reading about the English and other Europeans who now live in Gran Canaria conveying a sense of approval for these migrants arriving on the local beaches. Since many of them are retired, it probably gives them a purpose for their lives, but it will also alienate them from the indigenous population.

It is also only a matter of time before Roderic O' Gorman will be announcing that Ireland will have to do our bit and take "our share" of these African migrants in the Canaries. He will be front and centre to volunteer Ireland as the final destination for these migrants.

cgcsb

Kivaro wrote: »

The media are already having a field day with the African migrants in the Canaries. Watched an interview with an English NGO rep a couple of days ago who chastised the authorities in Gran Canaria and Arguiniguin for not foreseeing the large influx of migrants and not having the infrastructure already set up for them. It was surreal watching her blame the Canarians and Spanish authorities for this situation, and of course like most of them do, she had a real smug face on her.

If the Spanish do not cut off the African migrant boats to the Canaries, it may well push the Islands for secession from Spain. It is disappointing reading about the English and other Europeans who now live in Gran Canaria conveying a sense of approval for these migrants arriving on the local beaches. Since many of them are retired, it probably gives them a purpose for their lives, but it will also alienate them from the indigenous population.

It is also only a matter of time before Roderic O' Gorman will be announcing that Ireland will have to do our bit and take "our share" of these African migrants in the Canaries. He will be front and centre to volunteer Ireland as the final destination for these migrants.

The Mayor of Mogan acted quickly and unilaterally and organised buses for them to Las Palmas. She is now widely vilified in officialdom, even though the government wasn't exactly swift in providing guidance and funding. They've now been sent pack to the Arguiniguin / Mogan area and are being slowly redistributed amongst tourist accommodation, however there is large local resistance against this with many hotelliers refusing, even though they really need the money right now.

The timing is convenient in that there actually are closed hotels available, normally there'd be a high degree of occupancy as it is Europe's No. 1 winter sun destination. I suspect the supposed hotel capacity has something to do with the Spanish Navy going on a 100km voyage to Morocco on that particular afternoon.

Tea drinker

cgcsb wrote: »

The Mayor of Mogan acted quickly and unilaterally and organised buses for them to Las Palmas. She is now widely vilified in officialdom, even though the government wasn't exactly swift in providing guidance and funding. They've now been sent pack to the Arguiniguin / Mogan area and are being slowly redistributed amongst tourist accommodation, however there is large local resistance against this with many hotelliers refusing, even though they really need the money right now.

The timing is convenient in that there actually are closed hotels available, normally there'd be a high degree of occupancy as it is Europe's No. 1 winter sun destination. I suspect the supposed hotel capacity has something to do with the Spanish Navy going on a 100km voyage to Morocco on that particular afternoon.

Not sure what passage rights (if any) Spanish Navy have to Morocco but there are the Ceuta and Melilla Spanish enclaves on Northern Moroccan coast. Incidentally there have been many attempted overrun by migrants of the borders there.

cgcsb

Tea drinker wrote: »

Not sure what passage rights (if any) Spanish Navy have to Morocco but there are the Ceuta and Melilla Spanish enclaves on Northern Moroccan coast. Incidentally there have been many attempted overrun by migrants of the borders there.

Ceuta and Melilla are on the Med coast, nowhere near the south Morocan Atlantic coast from where these migrants were plucked. It's highly unusual in the canaries because the rough Atlantic water would never allow a 100km crossing in a small craft.

Richard Hillman

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cgcsb

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/1125/1180386-canary-islands/

Blame for this must surely be laid with the Spanish authorities having encouraged people to undertake such dangerous actions. Any local fisherman or indeed anyone with eyes who can observe the power of the Atlantic waves would tell you this crossing is not possible but of course the Spanish Navy have brought about some belief in omnipresent rescue missions. They should be ashamed.

Patrick2010

From the Irish times..

Sir, – As a member of the advisory group on direct provision, I read with interest “Proposed new housing system for asylum seekers ‘not workable’, says housing department” (News, November 22nd).

The claim made in the Department of Housing submission that the Day report proposals are not “workable” are founded on misunderstandings of the report.

The Department of Housing makes several errors in its submission – the first in stating that it would be required to provide housing to the 7,685 current residents of direct provision, the second in stating that it would be required to provide housing to 3,500 households thereafter; and finally the third in claiming that housing stock approved for social housing would be transferred for use to international protection applicants.

The Day report is clear that the backlog of legacy cases must be cleared before the remit is handed to the Department of Housing.

The number of applicants for international protection expected per year is 3,500. As 38 per cent of applicants form part of households, and single people could reasonably be expected to share houses, the number of households seeking accommodation would be significantly fewer than 3,500.

Finally, the Day report explicitly recommends that the Department of Housing would be provided with “dedicated, ring-fenced funding” to provide new temporary accommodation for international protection applicants.

This funding is for the acquisition of new housing stock and does not recommend, as the submission claims, transfer of current social housing stock for protection applicants.

Certainly, the plans for ending direct provision in the Day report are ambitious but we believe that they are the only way forward. – Yours, etc,

FIONA FINN,

Chief Executive,
Nasc, The Migrant

and Refugee

Rights Centre,

Cork.

So shes saying the Dept. of housing won't have to house the current residents of DP but obviously another department will so that doesn't change the fact that housing for 7,500 will have to be supplied, housing that otherwise would have been available for those years on a housing waiting list.
And going forward the Dept. of housing will be given ringfenced funding to solely provide housing for another 3,500 migrants EVERY year going forward. Will noody stop this madness?

jay0109

https://www.highlandradio.com/2020/11/26/exclusive-direct-provision-centre-to-be-established-in-letterkenny/
Highland Radio News can reveal that a contract has been signed for the development of a Direct Provision Centre in Letterkenny.
350 people, mostly made up of families, will locate in the town around February.
They will be housed in former student accommodation on the Port Road made up of 60, two and three bedroom apartments.

jay0109

jay0109 wrote: »

https://www.highlandradio.com/2020/11/26/exclusive-direct-provision-centre-to-be-established-in-letterkenny/
Highland Radio News can reveal that a contract has been signed for the development of a Direct Provision Centre in Letterkenny.
350 people, mostly made up of families, will locate in the town around February.
They will be housed in former student accommodation on the Port Road made up of 60, two and three bedroom apartments.

Wonderful news for the people of letterkenny I'm sure they will be delighted.

Kivaro

jay0109 wrote: »

https://www.highlandradio.com/2020/11/26/exclusive-direct-provision-centre-to-be-established-in-letterkenny/
Highland Radio News can reveal that a contract has been signed for the development of a Direct Provision Centre in Letterkenny.
350 people, mostly made up of families, will locate in the town around February.
They will be housed in former student accommodation on the Port Road made up of 60, two and three bedroom apartments.

It begs the question if the Irish government are still continuing to bring in asylum seekers in the middle of a worldwide pandemic. A number of asylum NGOs in Ireland have already stated that the pandemic or do-not-travel recommendations by NPHET should not stop the arrival of asylum seekers into the country.

jay0109

https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2020/1127/1180955-two-people-found-in-truck-at-rosslare-europort/

A man in his 40s has been arrested after two people were found in a truck at Rosslare Europort in Co Wexford.

We're going to see a whole lot more of this

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/man-charged-with-people-trafficking-at-rosslare-port-1.4421700

A Bulgarian man has been charged with two people-trafficking offences after two people were found hidden in a truck at Rosslare Port on Thursday evening. They are now being looked after by immigration authorities.

Dimitar Dichev (45), who has no fixed address in Ireland, was remanded in custody until next Tuesday. He was charged at Wexford Garda station before appearing in court on Friday evening....

....Meanwhile the two people found in the truck, who are believed to be known to each other, have been offered accommodation and welfare services by the Reception and Integration Agency (RIA).

There's no deterrent for those paying to be smuggled into Ireland. They're in now and here they'll stay with free acomm and a lifetime of welfare ahead if they so choose

jay0109

jay0109 wrote: »

https://www.highlandradio.com/2020/11/26/exclusive-direct-provision-centre-to-be-established-in-letterkenny/
Highland Radio News can reveal that a contract has been signed for the development of a Direct Provision Centre in Letterkenny.
350 people, mostly made up of families, will locate in the town around February.
They will be housed in former student accommodation on the Port Road made up of 60, two and three bedroom apartments.

Why on earth are they relocating families in in February, thats got to cause such major disruption to schools etc.

biko

jay0109 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2020/1127/1180955-two-people-found-in-truck-at-rosslare-europort/


We're going to see a whole lot more of this

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/man-charged-with-people-trafficking-at-rosslare-port-1.4421700

There's no deterrent for those paying to be smuggled into Ireland. They're in now and here they'll stay with free acomm and a lifetime of welfare ahead if they so choose

Put all three on the next plane to Bulgaria.
We need deterrents, not incentives.
With increased immigration we also increase the number of people that will attempt to smuggle countrymen in.
I assume he smuggled Bulgarians in from the "known to each other" comment.

TomTomTim

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/department-of-housing-crossed-the-line-in-criticising-asylum-seeker-plans-o-brien-says-1.4421732?mode=amp

These authoritarians hate the political process, the back and forth that is a core of democracy. These people aren't just foolish, they are foolish while also being genuinely dangerous.

biko

biko wrote: »

Put all three on the next plane to Bulgaria.
We need deterrents, not incentives.
With increased immigration we also increase the number of people that will attempt to smuggle countrymen in.
I assume he smuggled Bulgarians in from the "known to each other" comment.

I think there should be something more like a life-time ban from entry in a group of associated countries. Sure, if he's deported, it would be recorded somewhere, but I suspect it wouldn't be made available to border/custom staff. We need a greater degree of deterrents.. even for those within the EU who break our laws.. and I don't think prison time is effective for those who engage in this kind of activity..

Pity we can't kneecap anyone who does this sort of thing.. it would send a clear message that it's not tolerated.

seenitall

biko wrote: »

Put all three on the next plane to Bulgaria.
We need deterrents, not incentives.
With increased immigration we also increase the number of people that will attempt to smuggle countrymen in.
I assume he smuggled Bulgarians in from the "known to each other" comment.

No - it says the two people found in the truck were “known to each other”, it doesn’t mention the driver in that context.

But more pertinent than that, why would two Bulgarian people be going to all the considerable trouble and expense of being smuggled in the back of someone’s truck, when they can just stroll comfortably in through the Dublin airport with their EU passports?

Tea drinker

seenitall wrote: »

No - it says the two people found in the truck were “known to each other”, it doesn’t mention the driver in that context.

But more pertinent than that, why would two Bulgarian people be going to all the considerable trouble and expense of being smuggled in the back of someone’s truck, when they can just stroll comfortably in through the Dublin airport with their EU passports?

But are the 2 Bulgarian or merely the driver? Apologies I don't have access to the Irish times article

seenitall

The driver is Bulgarian. The two smuggled people’s nationalities aren’t mentioned. My guess would be the entrepreneur truck driver decided to earn a few bob on the side by accommodating a couple of Pakistanis/Afghanis/Iraquis who are the nationalities most often to be found on the Balkan route (which is very much alive with the traffic of the “we have no documents and we are hiking through the Balkans and beyond until we reach Germany - borders are for losers and we call this the Game” variety). Other most common nationalities on that route come from the Maghreb nations.