Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

sabat

500,000 people at let's say a generous 4 per house = 125,000 houses
At a very low estimate of say €250,000 per house/apartment

= €31,250,000,000 (31 billion)

Direct welfare payments plus other social transfers (health, education etc) at let's say €10,000 per person annually

= €5,000,000,000 (5 billion)

Current Irish national debt = €230,000,000,000

Current unemployment rate in Ireland: 26%

Yet somehow it's the people who query this immigration who are portrayed as extremist lunatics...

Kivaro

It really should be no surprise to anyone that the NGOs and migrant/asylum industry will double down on their efforts to flood Ireland with non-EU migrants. There is a lot of money to be made by this industry, and they do not care if the Irish worker will have to pick up the substantial cost to support these new migrants for many years to come.

After Varadkar made the announcement to the world that we were "too white", it reinvigorated the groups involved in exploiting Ireland's defacto open borders, and I'm sure things are about to get a lot worse when travel restrictions are lifted.

sabat

For some further context on the 500,000 Africans proposal-that would give Ireland a higher number of black people than Houston, Detroit, Memphis, Baltimore, LA, Washington DC and Dallas. It would also give us more black people than 6 African countries, and by some margin make us the developed country with the highest percentage of blacks in the population.

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Note the 100,000 jobs to vanish thanks to Brexit (caused by uncontrolled migration in itself).
Then factor in the damage looming from COVID Wave 1 and at the same time as brexit-official Wave 2 (potentially larger).

The music coming out from Detroit is fine and dandy.
But I'd suggest the world actually needs less hip-hip and sports stars,
instead more scientists, engineers, academics, doctors, programmers etc.

DelaneyIn

Over 60% of the worlds refugees are Muslims.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates & Kuwait are 99% Islamic & wealthy states yet take in precisely 0% of these people.

Why is this?

DelaneyIn

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

Sorcha Pollak:

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/why-am-i-so-interested-in-refugees-i-am-descended-from-emigrants-1.3460799



I'm sure it's nothing. Just a far-right conspiracy theory.

Speaking of Sorcha Pollak, here she is reporting on a horrible crime that was carried out in an asylum centre.

Detectives are investigating an allegation that an African woman seeking asylum was raped by another asylum seeker in a direct provision centre four months ago.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda%C3%AD-investigate-allegation-of-rape-in-direct-provision-centre-1.4300353

What a lovely person seeking our “protection.”

jmayo

Kivaro wrote: »

It really should be no surprise to anyone that the NGOs and migrant/asylum industry will double down on their efforts to flood Ireland with non-EU migrants. There is a lot of money to be made by this industry, and they do not care if the Irish worker will have to pick up the substantial cost to support these new migrants for many years to come.

After Varadkar made the announcement to the world that we were "too white", it reinvigorated the groups involved in exploiting Ireland's defacto open borders, and I'm sure things are about to get a lot worse when travel restrictions are lifted.

I posted this in thread about National Party.

I thought it apt to list the NGOs, well according to UNHCR, that operate with or are linked to refugees in Ireland.

Makes for interesting reading
You have the following listed:

Irish Refugee Council
Legal Aid Board
Immigrant Council of Ireland
Free Legal Advice Centres (FLAC)
NASC
IOM Ireland
Irish Red Cross
Spirasi
Crosscare Refugee Service
Doras Luimni
Jesuit Refugee Service (JRS)
Mayo Intercultural Action (like seriously WTF)
Migrant Rights Centre Ireland
New Communities Partnership
Clare Immigrant Support Centre (CISC)
Immigrant Support Clinic, Kilkenny
Tralee International Resource Centre (TIRC)
The Killarney Asylum Seekers Initiative (KASI)


Well well well, we have quite the little industry going to cater for refugees, don't we.

Please note this is NGOs and not all the legal practices, media types, organisations migrants have themselves like student groups, university courses about immigration and multi-culturalism, DP providers, hotel owners that are all part and parcel of the asylum industry.

All supping at the teat of the taxpayers.

Wibbs

Kivaro wrote: »

After Varadkar made the announcement to the world that we were "too white", it reinvigorated the groups involved in exploiting Ireland's defacto open borders, and I'm sure things are about to get a lot worse when travel restrictions are lifted.

Dod Vradkar actually say that Ireland was "too white"?

Wibbs

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Over 60% of the worlds refugees are Muslims.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates & Kuwait are 99% Islamic & wealthy states yet take in precisely 0% of these people.

Why is this?

They've taken in a handful down the years, but in some cases like Kuwait then "encouraged" them to leave. But ah god, you can't question that too much.

It's Europe that needs all this lovely "diversity". So long as it's darker skinned folks. White European "diversity" isn't in the picture. The over 100,000 Poles, Germans, Italians, Spanish, British and others living here don't count. Too pale apparently. East Asians apparently aren't sufficiently non local on the diversity ladder either.

The Irish electorate voted overwhelmingly in favour of closing the maternity passport tourism in 05, but again apparently that doesn't matter.

DelaneyIn

Children’s minister Roderic O’Gorman is giving “urgent consideration” to taking in unaccompanied children left stranded by fires that destroyed a massive refugee camp in Greece last week.

In a meeting between the minister met and UNHCR Ireland, the issue was raised and, after, its Head of Office Enda O’Neill urged Ireland to meet its commitments to relocate unaccompanied children.

Mr O’Neill pointed out that Ireland committed two years ago to take in 36 unaccompanied minors from Greece, but that only eight had arrived to date.

It follows moves by Germany and France for the EU to take in 400 unaccompanied minors from the destroyed Moria camp on the island of Lesbos.

An estimated 13,000 people in total had been living in the overcrowded refugee camp, the largest in Europe.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40049435.html

Two questions from this. Why are the Irish media omitting the fact that the fires were started by the migrants? RTE is at it too whilst constantly showing adverts advising the Irish people to check the source of material they read online. Such hypocrisy.

Secondly, why are we sending them the message that if you destroy the place, you’ll get sent to a Western or Northern European country?

Separately, immigration has never occurred in Ireland in the existing manner, at the existing rates. This is something unprecedented that is shaping the future of a country handed down over 100s of generations.

How has it come to the point where this talking point may even be criminalised? NGOs are working hard to push hate laws on us.

DelaneyIn

DelaneyIn wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40049435.html

Two questions from this. Why are the Irish media omitting the fact that the fires were started by the migrants? RTE is at it too whilst constantly showing adverts advising the Irish people to check the source of material they read online. Such hypocrisy.

Because the Irish media, and our politicians love to virtue signal... with someone else picking up the bill.

These kids will be brought in, their families will join them later, and the Irish Taxpayer will be paying for them for years (best case scenario), or much longer. Education, healthcare, living expenses, etc... all at a time, when they announce a massive projected increase in our national debt. Yup. Morons.

Secondly, why are we sending them the message that if you destroy the place, you’ll get sent to a Western or Northern European country?

Ahh well... it hasn't been proven yet, in spite of the Greek governments claims... although three fires happening simultaneously in different parts of the camp is rather.. suspicious. Unless you work for an NGO or the media, that is.

Again, it's short term emotional gains, for long term costs. Virtue signalling.

Separately, immigration has never occurred in Ireland in the existing manner, at the existing rates. This is something unprecedented that is shaping the future of a country handed down over 100s of generations.

How has it come to the point where this talking point may even be criminalised? NGOs are working hard to push hate laws on us.

Nah. Talking negatively about this isn't hate speech. You will still be able to complain or criticise the handling of it all. It's not even racism, no matter how much they want to throw around that belief as being "true". Just avoid the emotional outbursts that make you sound like a crazy person, or KKK member, and the law can't do anything to stop you. And if they did manage it, it would be overturned pretty damn quickly. Irish people love to complain.. and migration will be a hot topic to complain about throughout the recession.

Kivaro

Deleted User wrote: »

Because the Irish media, and our politicians love to virtue signal... with someone else picking up the bill....

Come on now. Look who we are talking about: Roderic "The Legend" O’Gorman. This virtue move by him was inevitable. Let's not concentrate on all the deficiencies currently in the services for Irish children (painful wait for scoliosis surgeries, mental health access for Irish youth off-hours etc), but let's spend millions of Euros in getting self-declared migrant "children" into Ireland and provide them the supports that so many children in Ireland can only dream of. O' Gorman was always going to pull a stunt like this; just like his predecessor Zappone did with the Calais "children".

I saw O' Gorman on Virgin Media News recently talking about getting the Gardai involved because he was getting trolled on social media for his previous comments .... on social media. Go figure.
He is not suitable to be Ireland's Minister of Children.

Sir Oxman

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah. Talking negatively about this isn't hate speech. You will still be able to complain or criticise the handling of it all. It's not even racism, no matter how much they want to throw around that belief as being "true". Just avoid the emotional outbursts that make you sound like a crazy person, or KKK member, and the law can't do anything to stop you. And if they did manage it, it would be overturned pretty damn quickly. Irish people love to complain.. and migration will be a hot topic to complain about throughout the recession.

Don't be so sure.:eek:
See Scotland's proposed law (which is unbelievable) and the current law in England & Wales - here is next IMO.

Perception of hate (even by a non-party, online or offline) the only requirement to instigate an investigation and recording of a non-crime hate crime (yes, that's a police categorisation in use in E&W and ppl wonder why the hate figures are only going to go upwards) which under certain circumstances, an employer or future employer could have access to via request.

Kivaro

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Don't be so sure.:eek:
See Scotland's proposed law (which is unbelievable) and the current law in England & Wales - here is next IMO.

Perception of hate (even by a non-party, online or offline) the only requirement to instigate an investigation and recording of a non-crime hate crime (yes, that's a police categorisation in use in E&W and ppl wonder why the hate figures are only going to go upwards) which under certain circumstances, an employer or future employer could have access to via request.

Imagine having the Gardai call to your home just because a black person you passed on the street "perceived" that you looked at them the wrong way.
It is indeed a slippery road that we are going down.

positron

Wibbs wrote: »

Dod Vradkar actually say that Ireland was "too white"?

Of course not. He said there should be more brown and black school principals, and there should be more diversity in Garda force. He also mentioned there's plenty of diversity in health but not so much when it comes to higher / senior positions.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1129/1095962-garda-graduates/

But of course, facts don't stand a chance against solid deep rooted biases.

Kivaro

Kivaro wrote: »

Come on now. Look who we are talking about: Roderic "The Legend" O’Gorman. This virtue move by him was inevitable. Let's not concentrate on all the deficiencies currently in the services for Irish children (painful wait for scoliosis surgeries, mental health access for Irish youth off-hours etc), but let's spend millions of Euros in getting self-declared migrant "children" into Ireland and provide them the supports that so many children in Ireland can only dream of. O' Gorman was always going to pull a stunt like this; just like his predecessor Zappone did with the Calais "children".

I saw O' Gorman on Virgin Media News recently talking about getting the Gardai involved because he was getting trolled on social media for his previous comments .... on social media. Go figure.
He is not suitable to be Ireland's Minister of Children.

TBF you really expect any Irish politician to pass up the opportunity to sweep in to "save" some children? It doesn't matter who is in there. We've seen this crap before, and we will again.

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Don't be so sure.:eek:
See Scotland's proposed law (which is unbelievable) and the current law in England & Wales - here is next IMO.

Perception of hate (even by a non-party, online or offline) the only requirement to instigate an investigation and recording of a non-crime hate crime (yes, that's a police categorisation in use in E&W and ppl wonder why the hate figures are only going to go upwards) which under certain circumstances, an employer or future employer could have access to via request.

It'll be torn to pieces the moment someone with the balls and financial resources get's tagged for something. Once it truly pisses someone off, we'll see such a law get squashed.

positron

positron wrote: »

Of course not. He said there should be more brown and black school principals, and there should be more diversity in Garda force. He also mentioned there's plenty of diversity in health but not so much when it comes to higher / senior positions.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1129/1095962-garda-graduates/

But of course, facts don't stand a chance against solid deep rooted biases.

As opposed to yours? Bloody hell. Way to go twisting.

"Speaking in the Dáil this afternoon, he said young people need to see “black and brown school principals, judges, cinn comhairle perhaps in the future”.

He said Ireland’s health service is “very diverse” but less so in senior positions.

Varadkar said the gardaí, the defence forces, and the education sector is far less diverse.

The civil service “is very white”, he added, stating “that actually needs to change”.

Dedicated recruitment campaigns are needed to ensure the workforce is more inclusive, Varadkar told the Dáil."

TomTomTim

positron wrote: »

Of course not. He said there should be more brown and black school principals, and there should be more diversity in Garda force. He also mentioned there's plenty of diversity in health but not so much when it comes to higher / senior positions.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1129/1095962-garda-graduates/

But of course, facts don't stand a chance against solid deep rooted biases.

He said, "very white" which isn't much different from "too white".

gary550

Deleted User wrote: »

As opposed to yours? Bloody hell. Way to go twisting.

"Speaking in the Dáil this afternoon, he said young people need to see “black and brown school principals, judges, cinn comhairle perhaps in the future”.

He said Ireland’s health service is “very diverse” but less so in senior positions.

Varadkar said the gardaí, the defence forces, and the education sector is far less diverse.

The civil service “is very white”, he added, stating “that actually needs to change”.

Dedicated recruitment campaigns are needed to ensure the workforce is more inclusive, Varadkar told the Dáil."

I think leo forgets that Ireland is 95% white and that to have more than rare instances of black and brown "school principals, judges, or even cinn comhairle" there would need to be a very artificial drive to do so.

cgcsb

Deleted User wrote: »

As opposed to yours? Bloody hell. Way to go twisting.

"Speaking in the Dáil this afternoon, he said young people need to see “black and brown school principals, judges, cinn comhairle perhaps in the future”.

He said Ireland’s health service is “very diverse” but less so in senior positions.

Varadkar said the gardaí, the defence forces, and the education sector is far less diverse.

The civil service “is very white”, he added, stating “that actually needs to change”.

Dedicated recruitment campaigns are needed to ensure the workforce is more inclusive, Varadkar told the Dáil."

Irish people tend to be white shocker.

gary550

gary550 wrote: »

I think leo forgets that Ireland is 95% white and that to have more than rare instances of black and brown "school principals, judges, or even cinn comhairle" there would need to be a very artificial drive to do so.

Yup, it's about pushing change on Ireland rather than allowing it to happen naturally.

In any case, I find it really hypocritical. He comments that those of other races aren't treated as 'real Irish', and then, he wants to inject people into areas because their actual race is different.

If he really saw these people as being Irish, their race wouldn't be important.

positron

Deleted User wrote: »

As opposed to yours? Bloody hell. Way to go twisting.
....
The civil service “is very white”, he added, stating “that actually needs to change”.

Dedicated recruitment campaigns are needed to ensure the workforce is more inclusive, Varadkar told the Dáil."

I don't know if you didn't read the question I was answering, or if you are being facetious. Please do read back.

Loe did NOT say Ireland is too white. He suggested diversity (already) in the society - is not reflected in Garda force or senior health service.

Those who have a biased view of immigration etc - may - just may - summarizing it as "Leo said Ireland is too white", grab the pitchforks etc.

Where as what he said - and you quoted them - is significantly different, which I am sure we both agree. That's all.

positron

positron wrote: »

I don't know if you didn't read the question I was answering, or if you are being facetious. Please do read back.

Loe did NOT say Ireland is too white. He suggested diversity (already) in the society - is not reflected in Garda force or senior health service.

Those who have a biased view of immigration etc - may - just may - summarizing it as "Leo said Ireland is too white", grab the pitchforks etc.

Where as what he said - and you quoted them - is significantly different, which I am sure we both agree. That's all.

I read your post and what you posted up, which was not accurate. It gave a different spin on what he said, just as you're doing now. Damage control.

The majority ethnic group in Ireland is decidedly white. Claiming the need for diversity when non-whites are a definite minority, is the clear pushing of a racial agenda.

As for a biased view on immigration... That's a deflection as if to suggest that our "bias" disqualifies having an opinion on the subject. "Grab the pitchforks" indeed... as if we can't be modern, sophisticated, highly educated, and question the immigration policies of this country, or the agenda of people pushing a diversity policy.

And no... I don't think we agree even slightly. Leo's statements were inappropriate, and hypocritical. But the successive Irish governments have been very naive about immigration and it's impact on Irish society.

DelaneyIn

TomTomTim wrote: »

He said, "very white" which isn't much different from "too white".

I just can’t imagine someone of partially or fully non native stock saying a country outside of Europe was too native, whatever the colour of the indigenous folks is, and getting away with it. Never mind a huge amount of people in that country actually agreeing with him.

Imagine someone saying Nigeria is too black or China is too Han and they need more non Nigerian or Han folk in positions of power there? They just wouldn’t entertain it. Yet, in the west, if you disagree with such statements you’re a far right racist.

It’s mind boggling.

DelaneyIn

James Browne, TD - .
Refugee resettlements to Ireland, projected by year:

2020: 650
2021: 700
2022: 750
2023: 800

https://twitter.com/JRD0000/status/1308860494921584641

DelaneyIn

IRELAND IS TO resettle 50 people in families from Moria camp on the Greek island of Lesbos which recently burnt down in a devastating fire leaving more than 12,000 people in emergency need of shelter.

Justice Minister Helen McEntee said today that Ireland will resettle refugee families from Greece under the Irish Refugee Protection Programme (IRPP). Up to 50 people in family groups will be resettled.

Minister Roderic O’Gorman had earlier said that Ireland had committed to resettling four minors from Moria into Tusla’s care.

“It was profoundly distressing to see the pictures of families, many with young children, sleeping on the side of the road, having lost the small amount of possessions and shelter that they had,” said McEntee today.

“Ireland has always responded positively to humanitarian crises, and we won’t be found wanting on this occasion.

“This is in addition to the commitment that we have already made with the UNCHR to resettle 2,900 refugees to Ireland over the next four years,” said McEntee.

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-to-resettle-50-people-from-fire-ravaged-greek-refugee-camp-5220436-Oct2020/?utm_source=shortlink

That is fifty needy natives getting skipped over and not housed. No mention that the fire was started by the migrants themselves. A pertinent piece of the story conveniently omitted. Now they get to be housed and live here at our expense.

Gervais08

DelaneyIn wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-to-resettle-50-people-from-fire-ravaged-greek-refugee-camp-5220436-Oct2020/?utm_source=shortlink

That is fifty needy natives getting skipped over and not housed. No mention that the fire was started by the migrants themselves. A pertinent piece of the story conveniently omitted. Now they get to be housed and live here at our expense.

But but they set those fires out of desperation!!!!! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

50 potential arsonists (or worse) and loving high on the hog on us. Madness.

Gervais08

Gervais08 wrote: »

But but they set those fires out of desperation!!!!! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

50 potential arsonists (or worse) and loving high on the hog on us. Madness.

It's worse than that TBH. These refugees have been given a place in Ireland outside of the normal procedures. They're in. They're going to be settled here and given what they need. A lovely gesture. Great, Except it gives the NGO's ammo to push for other migrants to be admitted. These political gestures of virtue signalling, weaken the overall system which might refuse migrants entry.

Gervais08

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's worse than that TBH. These refugees have been given a place in Ireland outside of the normal procedures. They're in. They're going to be settled here and given what they need. A lovely gesture. Great, Except it gives the NGO's ammo to push for other migrants to be admitted. These political gestures of virtue signalling, weaken the overall system which might refuse migrants entry.

Deeply worrying.

Kivaro

Justice Minister Helen McEntee has Europe in her sights; it is obvious that it where she will ultimately end up. So while she tells the people of Ireland that "we must do our part", she will be well gone and/or on a substantial Irish pension where the financial costs of these continuous resettlement programs will have little financial effect on her. But for the rest of us, the costs will lower our quality of lives/services and will have a enormous financial impact.

Rewarding groups of economic migrants who burn down the facilities provided to them will only encourage others to do likewise. I cannot keep up with the amount of migrants that the Irish government has agreed to accept. We have those from Calais, the Syrians from the migrant camps in the Middle East, Macron's migrants (who told the Irish that our acceptance would be quick), now these migrants from Lesbos, and who knows who else that they are covertly accepting. And then we have the migrants flying in from London and other European capitals, who are claiming asylum here.

People in Ireland who worked all their lives in this country will find themselves in a major disadvantage when it comes to the time when money has run out and they will be refused hospital beds, emergency housing, social welfare services because the Irish government overstretched themselves with these migrant resettlement programs.

Is this fair? No, it most definitely is not.
Build the capacity and provide the services first for the people already in the country, and then we can talk about "doing our part" for the millions upon millions of non-EU economic migrants would want to come here.