Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

DelaneyIn

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Ellie Kisyombe 'fled' Malawi, fearing for her safety, in the same article she tells us she's been back there on holiday.

Whilst in Ireland she languished in Direct Provision, and campaigned against the system that gave her refuge (of course)
but thankfully she was granted residency and secured HAP and shortly after her was given her free house.

https://amp.independent.ie/style/freedom-in-lockdown-39247302.html?__twitter_impression=true

She’s calling for justice now on RTE news. The first thing she did when she got status, was return to the country she claimed to be fleeing from.

If there were any justice, she would be deported and barred from reentering the state.

Instead she is on the six o clock news lecturing the natives on how racist we are. Then she will return home to her free gaff we paid for.

Might plan another holiday home with her welfare payments we also provide. Such a racist country.

double jobbing

goose2005 wrote: »

There has to be some element of deliberately including this kind of thing in order to enrage the public, after all, if you were really pro-immigration, you would hide this kind of info from the public. Although maybe they really are just thick?

It reminds me a bit of when Ibrahim Halawa returned home to the airport.

If his supporters and his family had any cop on, they would sneak him in low key, they would thank the government for their support, if they had any decency they would acknowledge he held daft political opinions and that investigative journalists and anybody with half a brain who read behind the headlines was right, that his story was full of holes and that he regretted the hassle he had caused the state, and that he had matured regarding his politics.

Did this happen?

Did it ****. In November 2017, the year of the Manchester concert bombing, in the height of a circa three year period where at times a fortnight wouldn't pass without a lone wolf attack somewhere in the Western world, and 18 months after two men roared "Allah Akbar" as they detonated their explosive belts in Brussels airport, Halawa's supporters repeatedtly roared the same Islamist battle call in Dublin airport as he walked into a welcome usually reserved for returning athletes, rather than returning radicals. I wonder did any frequent flyers who had happened to have been in Brussels that day come across the sight not 18 months later of a gang of Islamists roaring the famous last words ad nauseaum.

I'm sure one of the Halawa mob must have asked "should we really be doing this?"

To which they were no doubt answered "Who the **** is gonna write an article about it?" and laughed away.

This is what Ellie K is thinking. Unless she is daft enough to go on Niall Boylan or Neil Prendiville, nobody is going to ask her how Malawi suddenly became a safe country after 10 years, and how this safe status coincided with her having got permanent leave to remain in this state.

I might actually text Boylan see if he can at least ask her in for an interview. She will decline no doubt but it would be nice to have her decline on the record.


There are people in this country as untouchable by the media as the bishops were in pre 1980's Ireland.

Eric Cartman

double jobbing wrote: »

It reminds me a bit of when Ibrahim Halawa returned home to the airport.

If his supporters and his family had any cop on, they would sneak him in low key, they would thank the government for their support, if they had any decency they would acknowledge he held daft political opinions and that investigative journalists and anybody with half a brain who read behind the headlines was right, that his story was full of holes and that he regretted the hassle he had caused the state, and that he had matured regarding his politics.

Did this happen?

Did it ****. In November 2017, the year of the Manchester concert bombing, in the height of a circa three year period where at times a fortnight wouldn't pass without a lone wolf attack somewhere in the Western world, and 18 months after two men roared "Allah Akbar" as they detonated their explosive belts in Brussels airport, Halawa's supporters repeatedtly roared the same Islamist battle call in Dublin airport as he walked into a welcome usually reserved for returning athletes, rather than returning radicals. I wonder did any frequent flyers who had happened to have been in Brussels that day come across the sight not 18 months later of a gang of Islamists roaring the famous last words ad nauseaum.

I'm sure one of the Halawa mob must have asked "should we really be doing this?"

To which they were no doubt answered "Who the **** is gonna write an article about it?" and laughed away.

This is what Ellie K is thinking. Unless she is daft enough to go on Niall Boylan or Neil Prendiville, nobody is going to ask her how Malawi suddenly became a safe country after 10 years, and how this safe status coincided with her having got permanent leave to remain in this state.

I might actually text Boylan see if he can at least ask her in for an interview. She will decline no doubt but it would be nice to have her decline on the record.


There are people in this country as untouchable by the media as the bishops were in pre 1980's Ireland.

Im just waiting for the book deal and the chatshow circuit where she makes a mint yet keeps the HAP house and tries another election run for PbP in a few years.

goose2005

double jobbing wrote: »

There are people in this country as untouchable by the media as the bishops were in pre 1980's Ireland.

and the self-righteousness is easily the equal of any sodality or Legion of Mary. And the speed with which new beliefs propagate and become dogma - "we have always believed in the immaculate conception of mary" - just like the way concepts like genderqueer and nonbinary and trans children move from academia to mainstream debate to unquestionable dogma in a very short period

jay0109

I see one of the charter flights to bring Irish citizens home when CV19 broke out was out of Nigeria. 95 people.
More holiday makers visiting the country they fled from

statesaver

DelaneyIn wrote: »

She’s calling for justice now on RTE news. The first thing she did when she got status, was return to the country she claimed to be fleeing from.

If there were any justice, she would be deported and barred from reentering the state.

Instead she is on the six o clock news lecturing the natives on how racist we are. Then she will return home to her free gaff we paid for.

Might plan another holiday home with her welfare payments we also provide. Such a racist country.

She is probably telling her kids that all white people are racist, other African parents doing the same thing. A generation of ' new Irish ' who hate white people is what we have to look forward to if that's the case.
The man that said he was happy to be a black man in Ireland got abuse on Twitter from other black people. There maybe problems ahead.

Geuze

DelaneyIn wrote: »

She’s calling for justice now on RTE news. The first thing she did when she got status, was return to the country she claimed to be fleeing from.

If there were any justice, she would be deported and barred from reentering the state.

Instead she is on the six o clock news lecturing the natives on how racist we are. Then she will return home to her free gaff we paid for.

Might plan another holiday home with her welfare payments we also provide. Such a racist country.

I hope I am a reasonable person, and try to be empathetic.

I feel short-term UN payment rates should be increased. I think DA rates for genuinely disabled people should be increased.

I think Ireland should accept a fair share of genuine refugees.

For several years I woke at 5:20 to travel 1h50 to work, home at 6:30pm. I will be working every night this week until 1am.

I face a marginal tax rate of 52%. I want to contribute to society.

However, as I see more and more cases like this, it wears me down.

Will any politician be honest enough, be strong enough, to speak the truth?

Can we ever have a reasonable, sensible centrist or centre-right party that will speak and act plainly, and stop the handouts to all sorts of unentitled people? Including tax reliefs to high earners.

Clarence Boddiker

MASI -The movement of asylum seekers of Ireland are agitating to have the citizenship referendum overturned without a referendum.

Just think about that, a group of people, a small minority who have been taken in and given refuge are lobbying the Govt to ignore the democratic vote of 80% of the electorate.

Nesta2018

Before the 2004 referendum the maternity hospitals were in chaos, with women (many of them wealthy Africans) arriving in late-stage pregnancy or actually in labour, often requiring specialist medical attention and translators. They were at crisis point.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/ireland/arid-10096755.html

This article is interesting and revealing from 2004. You have consultant obstetrician Paul Byrne reporting events in his hospital:

"Mr Byrne's letter from September 2002, obtained by the Irish Examiner under the Freedom of Information Act, was prompted by an incident at the time where a professional South African woman, who was pregnant with quads, arrived just 36 hours before going into premature labour.

In his letter he also said it was common knowledge that Nigerian women arriving in the latter stages of pregnancy were paying £5,000 to an agency to come here."

And then you have the flat denial of Joe Costello TD

"Yesterday, Labour Party justice spokesman Joe Costello said that, speaking as a long-time member of the board of the Rotunda, more than 80% of non-nationals coming into that hospital were already living in Ireland.

There was nothing to suggest non-nationals coming to maternity hospitals in an advanced stage of pregnancy were coming from abroad, he said."

This dissonance still exists between the situation as it actually is, and experienced by people, and the "official" version presented by RTE and our politicians.

ExMachina1000

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

MASI -The movement of asylum seekers of Ireland are agitating to have the citizenship referendum overturned without a referendum.

Just think about that, a group of people, a small minority who have been taken in and given refuge are lobbying the Govt to ignore the democratic vote of 80% of the electorate.

This is true. Iv seen it myself. Also there are many Irish people agreeing with them and proposing different ways to achieve this goal.

https://twitter.com/justinenakase/status/1266808992946196481?s=20

SporadicMan

Feels like the country is just finished nowadays. Calls for ending DP, calls for undoing the referendum, lots of abuse aimed at the native population for being racists.

They won't be happy until social dynamics are shifted to the point where they have the power that they perceive us to have.

iebamm2580

vocal minority tbf, ballot boxes are different.

Nesta2018

SporadicMan wrote: »

Feels like the country is just finished nowadays. Calls for ending DP, calls for undoing the referendum, lots of abuse aimed at the native population for being racists.

They won't be happy until social dynamics are shifted to the point where they have the power that they perceive us to have.

Meanwhile they want to increase the pension age so we have to work longer to pay for it.

SporadicMan

Nesta2018 wrote: »

Meanwhile they want to increase the pension age so we have to work longer to pay for it.

If the changes I listed are made, I'll be pretty quickly getting out of the country.

Clarence Boddiker

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

MASI -The movement of asylum seekers of Ireland are agitating to have the citizenship referendum overturned without a referendum.

Just think about that, a group of people, a small minority who have been taken in and given refuge are lobbying the Govt to ignore the democratic vote of 80% of the electorate.

Plenty of groups want all sorts of things. Nothing will change without a referendum.

SporadicMan

Deleted User wrote: »

Plenty of groups want all sorts of things. Nothing will change without a referendum.

The difference is that these groups get a disproportionate (if not bizarre) amount of airtime on RTE compared to every other group who wants change.

sabat

Nesta2018 wrote: »

This dissonance still exists between the situation as it actually is, and experienced by people, and the "official" version presented by RTE and our politicians.

This blatant gaslighting/lying about the reasons for the citizenship referendum has really started to take off in the last few months-what we're witnessing is live action historical revisionism. I was directly involved in dealing with that sh1tshow as a civil servant, as were thousands of others in the hospitals, gardai etc-now they're basically telling us we imagined it or that it's a right-wing conspiracy theory.

I have strong suspicions about the bona fides of this MASI group-for a supposedly grass roots organisation funded from asylum seekers' own pockets they seem to be very widespread, on message and media savvy.

_Kaiser_

iebamm2580 wrote: »

vocal minority tbf, ballot boxes are different.

That's now. Give it a generation or two. Coupled with a sizeable percentage of the natives in influential positions like the media jumping on the bandwagon to show how virtuous they are.

Mr. Karate

sabat wrote: »

I have strong suspicions about the bona fides of this MASI group-for a supposedly grass roots organisation funded from asylum seekers' own pockets they seem to be very widespread, on message and media savvy.

They're definitely being funded.

enricoh

SporadicMan wrote: »

The difference is that these groups get a disproportionate (if not bizarre) amount of airtime on RTE compared to every other group who wants change.

Jennifer zamparelli may just introduce a 'racist Paddy ' slot on her programme at this stage!

Put it on before Lottie Ryan's celebrity gossip I say!!

pinkyeye

SporadicMan wrote: »

If the changes I listed are made, I'll be pretty quickly getting out of the country.

Can I ask, to what country will you be going?

positron

double jobbing wrote: »

Halawa's supporters repeatedtly roared the same Islamist battle call in Dublin airport as he walked into a welcome

I am sure this may not change anyone's mind but I would mention this anyway - Allahu Akbar just means 'gods great' and Muslims say it as often as most Irish people say "bless you" or "take care". It's something that they say to each other, greet each other wish, say bye to each other with etc. It's just cultural.

If a Chinese person were to think the Irish are uber religious because they always say "bless you" and remind/invite some God person into something as regular as a sneezee... that Chinese person would about as far away from truth as DoubleJobbing's intrepretation above.

Clarence Boddiker

Good article here on the Colonialist attitudes of the Mass Immigration NGOs

"One final missing characteristic of colonial attitude as described above is contempt for the indigenous population. This is the cycle, which seems contemptuous to me: people are sheltered here and attain prominent positions at our institutions, and from there are promoted and paid (almost entirely by the state — by us) to tell us how awful we are, and how rotten the country that sheltered them is, and that the central remedy is demographic change, which will result in more people doing what they’re doing. This continues into infinity. What is the benefit for us of this, exactly?

https://medium.com/@fitzfromdublin/irelands-new-colonials-bfcbfbe4dd5d

Das Reich

This is Rio de Janeiro 44 years ago. The change that this place had in such small amount of time is impressive. Mainly due to a "white flight" phenomena and a fast increase of the poors. Are europeans and white people in general so ignorant to leave this happens in their own country? You can't bring prolific third worlders to your countries without a demographic shift, that will also cause social segragation. They not learn by the mistakes they did in USA, Brazil, South Africa and other multicultural countries?

https://youtu.be/_I_72sLdyYA

Mr. Karate

positron wrote: »

I am sure this may not change anyone's mind but I would mention this anyway - Allahu Akbar just means 'gods great' and Muslims say it as often as most Irish people say "bless you" or "take care". It's something that they say to each other, greet each other wish, say bye to each other with etc. It's just cultural.

Yes, but Islamic Terrorists yell that whenever they attack. You can't be surprised people have a negative perception of the saying. Its like trying to convince people that the swastika used to mean peace and heaven.

double jobbing

positron wrote: »

I am sure this may not change anyone's mind but I would mention this anyway - Allahu Akbar just means 'gods great' and Muslims say it as often as most Irish people say "bless you" .

I'm fully aware of that.

Much in the same way most grown ups manage to refrain from the SF/ IRA shouts during The Fields of Athenry at Ireland matches, because although SF are a mainstream party and the IRA are essentially dead, people are aware of the uncouth connotations of shouting these lines.

Shouting Allah Akbar in an airport was a deliberate middle finger to anybody who wasn't buying this waster's far fetched tale of woe.

Kivaro

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Good article here on the Colonialist attitudes of the Mass Immigration NGOs

"One final missing characteristic of colonial attitude as described above is contempt for the indigenous population. This is the cycle, which seems contemptuous to me: people are sheltered here and attain prominent positions at our institutions, and from there are promoted and paid (almost entirely by the state — by us) to tell us how awful we are, and how rotten the country that sheltered them is, and that the central remedy is demographic change, which will result in more people doing what they’re doing. This continues into infinity. What is the benefit for us of this, exactly?

https://medium.com/@fitzfromdublin/irelands-new-colonials-bfcbfbe4dd5d

I was thinking about that concept recently when posters on here were talking about the woman who sees racism everywhere in Ireland was interviewed by RTE over the Black Lives Matters parade/show.

One could presume that this woman wants many more migrants from Africa to come to Ireland in order to redress the black/white imbalance in this country. The more we bring or allow to claim asylum in Ireland, the more likely we will have people with her views .... since it seems to be a lucrative stance for her.

So to quote the above piece: What is the benefit for us of this, exactly?
The tax payers may get a bit tired of being called racists all the time.
Glass of Ribena anyone?

jmayo

BakingSoda wrote: »

According to my friend who is back with his family in the countryside (won't say where as its a small town) the migrants are really settling well into the community. I think he said they were from Ethiopia or countries surrounding there.

Some of the families teenage kids have been helping run errands for the more elderly in his town and a few were even turning up to GAA trainings before the country was locked down!

Well those Ethiopians are good runners alright.

jay0109 wrote: »

They're not thick at all. They're actually so self righteous and so pompus, they feel they know better and are here to educate the rest of us

Arrogance, pure and simple.

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I was born in the US to Ireland born parents and I'm called a Plastic Paddy by the same people who are calling these migrants "New Irish".

My closest friends in this Country are the Polish.

Yeah but come on, you're probably a white yank with christian upbringing.
Now if you were non white, African, Central Asian or Middle Eastern and a certain other religion they would be fawning over you.

statesaver wrote: »

She is probably telling her kids that all white people are racist, other African parents doing the same thing. A generation of ' new Irish ' who hate white people is what we have to look forward to if that's the case.
The man that said he was happy to be a black man in Ireland got abuse on Twitter from other black people. There maybe problems ahead.

No what you are going to see is a backlash and the rise of the real right.
Irish people unlike some other groups put up with a lot of shyte, all the while some sell out their kinfolk to make a few quid.
How come the Irish hadn't dreamed up a word for Quisling long before the Norwegians in the 1940s surprises me.

But eventually a lot of the Irish like a lot of others are going to swing majorily to the right.

jmayo

positron wrote: »

I am sure this may not change anyone's mind but I would mention this anyway - Allahu Akbar just means 'gods great' and Muslims say it as often as most Irish people say "bless you" or "take care". It's something that they say to each other, greet each other wish, say bye to each other with etc. It's just cultural.

If a Chinese person were to think the Irish are uber religious because they always say "bless you" and remind/invite some God person into something as regular as a sneezee... that Chinese person would about as far away from truth as DoubleJobbing's intrepretation above.

Context is everything.
"bless you" isn't uttered by savages slaughtering people for the last couple of hundred years or so.

On the other hand that term above has been used over the last 20 odd years and most especially in airports.
It is the last fooking thing a lot of innocent people have heard before they are blown to bits.

And you fooking damn well know it too.

Clarence Boddiker

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I was born in the US to Ireland born parents and I'm called a Plastic Paddy by the same people who are calling these migrants "New Irish".

I remember boards years ago was full of people slagging off 'Plastic Paddies' it was quite a common conversation here, looking down at English or American people with Irish heritage. And yep, now the same people are saying "anyone can be Irish" or even "theres no such thing as Irish"