Gangland Shootings Cont'd [Mod Note in Post #1 updated 27/01/20

rodmn2377

April Collins was testifying against the dundons.. a gang who you had to take any treat against serious.. this evidence was also going to put some of them away for life so I think around the clock protection was a necessity compared to giving it to a lad who was stuck in the middle of a feud that at that stage wasnt near at the level of the limerick feud.. I know after his killing it brought it too a new level but who could have foreseen that.

Cork_Langer1

mynamejeff wrote: »

you are clueless

as in you haven't a clue what you are talking about

as in you are a re reg account who is clueless and hasn't a clue what you are talking about

Give it to me, how am I clueless?

So what if I've re regged, the admin know my accounts, because I'm a rereg means nothing.

Banana Republic. wrote: »

New Minister for Justice right here, most of that isn't feasible, anyone who has all these things to say should have solution in mind. You couldn't use most of these reasons. Tax payers money should go on the ordinary decent people not the people who are flooding the streets with drugs and harrasing family members for debts that make up as they go along for intimidation. Let them to themselves and not the innocents who are trying to live life with their families in peace.
So they get the GIM and do what they want with that information after that.

I'll take the minister of justice as a compliment rather than sarcasm.

How isn't it feasible?

rodmn2377 wrote: »

April Collins was testifying against the dundons.. a gang who you had to take any treat against serious.. this evidence was also going to put some of them away for life so I think around the clock protection was a necessity compared to giving it to a lad who was stuck in the middle of a feud that at that stage wasnt near at the level of the limerick feud.. I know after his killing it brought it too a new level but who could have foreseen that.

April was a member of that gang and so was her family members,so broke up with ger, Wayne and John threatened her, she give statement against them for murders, married a rapist and moved him in while dealing gear, all while under guards watch protection.

GIM was for abduct, torture and dismemberment, questions the crime reporters "sources"

Banana Republic.

rodmn2377 wrote: »

April Collins was testifying against the dundons.. a gang who you had to take any treat against serious.. this evidence was also going to put some of them away for life so I think around the clock protection was a necessity compared to giving it to a lad who was stuck in the middle of a feud that at that stage wasnt near at the level of the limerick feud.. I know after his killing it brought it too a new level but who could have foreseen that.

What I would love to know in regards to GIM is how do they get the info of whose has the threat against them plus do that get any specific details of how they plan to do it. Plus who tells them this info?
Nobody has asked this.

Dramalama80

Banana Republic. wrote: »

What I would love to know in regards to GIM is how do they get the info of whose has the threat against them plus do that get any specific details of how they plan to do it. Plus who tells them this info?
Nobody has asked this.

That what I would like to know too. Like someone hardly walks into the barracks and says we're going to chop so and so head off FYI!

Banana Republic.

Dramalama80 wrote: »

That what I would like to know too. Like someone hardly walks into the barracks and says we're going to chop so and so head off FYI!

Yea doubt anyone would but the other info like he's life is under threat from A,B. or C, dunno why I didn't think of it sooner. Must be an informant of some kind.

yellabelly20

Cork_Langer1 wrote: »

Guards could follow him, arrest him for some reason, bail breach, high visibility patrols, anything

Ah come back down to earth, sure that's harassment? He'd only have reported them if they had been following him around even if it were for his own security! You can't punish someone for their own security and Garda following you around is definitely going to feel like punishment if you weren't a fan of them.

Do you suggest that they should of used Garda resources escorting him and his mother down to SuperValu and other such daily things that could turn out deadly because he had received a GIM? Would they have stopped following him once he turned 18 at the beginning of the month?

Cork_Langer1

yellabelly20 wrote: »

Ah come back down to earth, sure that's harassment? He'd only have reported them if they had been following him around even if it were for his own security! You can't punish someone for their own security and Garda following you around is definitely going to feel like punishment if you weren't a fan of them.

Do you suggest that they should of used Garda resources escorting him and his mother down to SuperValu and other such daily things that could turn out deadly because he had received a GIM? Would they have stopped following him once he turned 18 at the beginning of the month?

I was asked what I think, something is better than the outcome which has deloveped .

I can tell you even the sight of a marked patrol car is a deterrent, for all types of illegal activities.

Have they stopped following or april or patsy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/ger-dundons-ex-girlfriend-drove-erratically-as-her-armed-garda-protection-followed-31605394.html

Jeff2

I see post were deleted about how to set someone as ignored.

On phone at the bottom of the page click full site.
Then go to the thread and click on that persons name.
It will show an ignore option so click that.

rodmn2377

Banana Republic. wrote: »

What I would love to know in regards to GIM is how do they get the info of whose has the threat against them plus do that get any specific details of how they plan to do it. Plus who tells them this info?
Nobody has asked this.

I'm guessing it comes from there usual gangland sources... someone involved in these feuds/gangs are always talking to the cops and telling them such and such are definitely getting it because of this and that... I'd say sometimes there told he is going to get abducted etc but dont know if this was the case with KMW...

Alliance123

rodmn2377 wrote: »

I'm guessing it comes from there usual gangland sources... someone involved in these feuds/gangs are always talking to the cops and telling them such and such are definitely getting it because of this and that... I'd say sometimes there told he is going to get abducted etc but dont know if this was the case with KMW...

Thats exactly it

Banana Republic.

Cork_Langer1 wrote: »

I was asked what I think, something is better than the outcome which has deloveped .

I can tell you even the sight of a marked patrol car is a deterrent, for all types of illegal activities.

Have they stopped following or april or patsy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/ger-dundons-ex-girlfriend-drove-erratically-as-her-armed-garda-protection-followed-31605394.html

This just goes to show as a case in point against your debate about the Gim's, even under Garda protection these ppl are acting the fools with Garda, she's actually banned from driving and still drive around erratically, now she might be in fear of her life for sure but 56 convictions mostly for driving previously shows her disregard for the force tasked to protect her. She's one brave woman to have hung them out to dry though I'll give her that.

So what kinda messing would active GIM gangsters do trying to shake off Garda protection?

It's not happening and never will. If the person is innocent and not involved in drugs or harassment then they should be protected otherwise it comes with the territory.

Banana Republic.

rodmn2377 wrote: »

I'm guessing it comes from there usual gangland sources... someone involved in these feuds/gangs are always talking to the cops and telling them such and such are definitely getting it because of this and that... I'd say sometimes there told he is going to get abducted etc but dont know if this was the case with KMW...

Cheers that makes sense, kinda thought that but said I'd ask as others would have more info then I would. They use the cops for their own means if this is true. Yea they definitely wouldn't have been revealing much on KM especially with what happened in the end.

Cork_Langer1

Banana Republic. wrote: »

This just goes to show as a case in point against your debate about the Gim's, even under Garda protection these ppl are acting the fools with Garda, she's actually banned from driving and still drive around erratically, now she might be in fear of her life for sure but 56 convictions mostly for driving previously shows her disregard for the force tasked to protect her. She's one brave woman to have hung them out to dry though I'll give her that.

So what kinda messing would active GIM gangsters do trying to shake off Garda protection?

It's not happening and never will. If the person is innocent and not involved in drugs or harassment then they should be protected otherwise it comes with the territory.

I haven't debated about GIMs, a person under 18 got one, and was killed in the most brutal fashion is my whole point yet, april and patsy still have protection, guards are a **** show.

Why keep protecting her, she was neck deep in serious criminilty, same with her family and still is, why value her life more than a person under 18.

spurious

SC was a pretty decent footballer, but his temperament let him down.

Deco Barry

Cork_Langer1 wrote: »

I haven't debated about GIMs, a person under 18 got one, and was killed in the most brutal fashion is my whole point yet, april and patsy still have protection, guards are a **** show.

Why keep protecting her, she was neck deep in serious criminilty, same with her family and still is, why value her life more than a person under 18.

You would have to think it was part of the deal before she testified to put them away,it was a massive break for Gardai.

Cork_Langer1

Deco Barry wrote: »

You would have to think it was part of the deal before she testified to put them away,it was a massive break for Gardai.

You are correct, because they used people because of debt and fear they kept their hands clean, it's was also a big break for april and her family too, the charging of her are only for optics, down there is worse than ever, except for the killings.

It shows they left KM be killed and there's f all about it.

rodmn2377

Cork_Langer1 wrote: »

You are correct, because they used people because of debt and fear they kept their hands clean, it's was also a big break for april and her family too, the charging of her are only for optics, down there is worse than ever, except for the killings.

It shows they left KM be killed and there's f all about it.

I understand your point but I reall dont think there was f all the cops could do.. I'd be guessing that there is 100's of GIMs presently issued.. they dont have the man power or resources to baby sit each and everyone...they would be very quickly told to f off if they were... also we dont know if they did up the routine patrols around his house etc which would be the standard response to something like this.. there would be an investigation on going now now by the ombusman man into police harassment from complaints by kmw family if they had done the things your suggesting..

RobbieMD

Cork_Langer1 wrote: »

You are correct, because they used people because of debt and fear they kept their hands clean, it's was also a big break for april and her family too, the charging of her are only for optics, down there is worse than ever, except for the killings.

It shows they left KM be killed and there's f all about it.

Perhaps April wanted Garda protection. Perhaps KM didn’t.

Hoboo

Cork_Langer1 wrote: »

You are correct, because they used people because of debt and fear they kept their hands clean, it's was also a big break for april and her family too, the charging of her are only for optics, down there is worse than ever, except for the killings.

It shows they left KM be killed and there's f all about it.

Other than have a garda beside him 24/7, what's your suggestion?

Haladmirer

He's not the only kid with GIM
17 year old has had lots of attempts on him in that coolock fued,and many more I'm sure

Cork_Langer1

rodmn2377 wrote: »

I understand your point but I reall dont think there was f all the cops could do.. I'd be guessing that there is 100's of GIMs presently issued.. they dont have the man power or resources to baby sit each and everyone...they would be very quickly told to f off if they were... also we dont know if they did up the routine patrols around his house etc which would be the standard response to something like this.. there would be an investigation on going now now by the ombusman man into police harassment from complaints by kmw family if they had done the things your suggesting..

I'm not on about 100s which majority are given to adults, "sources" have confirmed there was a threat to abduct, torture and dismember, they could have used convert surveillance or even spooked the killers by been overt. Gsoc are toothless, Ive had a "admissible" complaint sent back to another station, and f all happened.

Resources are always banded, they've a 1.8 billion budget for this year alone.

RobbieMD wrote: »

Perhaps April wanted Garda protection. Perhaps KM didn’t.

She certainly did, so she and her rapist husband could bang out the gear while under the nose of 27/7 protection. Is patsy still getting 27/7 protection because he's name was leaked as involved to the other side..

Hoboo wrote: »

Other than have a garda beside him 24/7, what's your suggestion?

Convert or overt, bail breach, something rather than the outcome that has happened. Any suggestions yourself?

Haladmirer wrote: »

He's not the only kid with GIM
17 year old has had lots of attempts on him in that coolock fued,and many more I'm sure

Did this person get killed after the fact they were given the GIM, or even covertly or overtly monitored? I presume there's high visibility patrols in coolock seems all that happened before body parts were found there.

Banana Republic.

Cork_Langer1 wrote: »

I haven't debated about GIMs, a person under 18 got one, and was killed in the most brutal fashion is my whole point yet, april and patsy still have protection, guards are a **** show.

Why keep protecting her, she was neck deep in serious criminilty, same with her family and still is, why value her life more than a person under 18.

Her circumstances helped put away some of the biggest criminals in the history of the state so these are non comparable.

KM defied his GIM and currently it isn't legislation to have these GIM followed up by 24/7 surveillance.
I don't see why you don't get the point. You've had hundreds of answers but it's still not getting through. You want it as legislation fine and it isn't legislation so there's no more to discuss on the topic. It's sparked good debate but it's over cooked now.

Cork_Langer1

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Her circumstances helped put away some of the biggest criminals in the history of the state so these are non comparable.

They are and were not the biggest criminals, they're called the "dum dums" for a reason. You do know what "gear" does to a community?

Banana Republic. wrote: »

KM defied his GIM and currently it isn't legislation to have these GIM followed up by 24/7 surveillance.
I don't see why you don't get the point. You've had hundreds of answers but it's still not getting through. You want it as legislation fine and it isn't legislation so there's no more to discuss on the topic. It's sparked good debate but it's over cooked now.

I don't want any legislation, f that, they do alot which isn't legislated for, my point which you keep missing, he was killed after the fact of a GIM presented to him, you keep saying they can't do 27/7 protection, yes they can and have, the person was killed and the guards didn't do their job.

rodmn2377

I'm not on about 100s which majority are given to adults, "sources" have confirmed there was a threat to abduct, torture and dismember, they could have used convert surveillance or even spooked the killers by been overt. Gsoc are toothless, Ive had a "admissible" complaint sent back to another station, and f all happened.


I might be wrong but I dont think there was any prior information that he was going to be abducted and tortured.. as far as I knew it was just a regular gim which was a credible threat to life.. I'm guessing all those young lads in that video of ruthless getting a slap have all been issued one.. probably 5/6 of them.. there all from coolock.. 3 or 4 major feuds going on in that area.. would be a serious drain on resources putting covert surveillance on each of them

Cork_Langer1

rodmn2377 wrote: »

I might be wrong but I dont think there was any prior information that he was going to be abducted and tortured.. as far as I knew it was just a regular gim which was a credible threat to life.. I'm guessing all those young lads in that video of ruthless getting a slap have all been issued one.. probably 5/6 of them.. there all from coolock.. 3 or 4 major feuds going on in that area.. would be a serious drain on resources putting covert surveillance on each of them

"A threat was made to abduct, kill and dismember him in the weeks before he went missing, at around 6pm last Sunday."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/cormac-okeeffe-gang-bosses-see-young-operatives-as-expendable-975760.html

Covert surveillance is already used in areas like coolock, why not overt, have all patrols out, I don't have the answer but they were just some suggestions.

rodmn2377

Cork_Langer1 wrote: »

"A threat was made to abduct, kill and dismember him in the weeks before he went missing, at around 6pm last Sunday."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/cormac-okeeffe-gang-bosses-see-young-operatives-as-expendable-975760.html

Covert surveillance is already used in areas like coolock, why not overt, have all patrols out, I don't have the answer but they were just some suggestions.

Sorry didnt realise they had been told what was going to happen.. covert surveillance is being used everywhere but i dont think they have enough of garda trained to cover everything.. I think they decide which they think is the most needed.. I know your only giving your oppion which I respect.. look I've no doubts mistakes have been made by all concerned

Banana Republic.

Cork_Langer1 wrote: »

They are and were not the biggest criminals, they're called the "dum dums" for a reason. You do know what "gear" does to a community?



I don't want any legislation, f that, they do alot which isn't legislated for, my point which you keep missing, he was killed after the fact of a GIM presented to him, you keep saying they can't do 27/7 protection, yes they can and have, the person was killed and the guards didn't do their job.

The point of answered in several occasions like everyone else the GIM don't come with 24/7 protection, you are missing the point that these warnings don't come with protection, how hard is that to understand? The Guards aren't mind readers. When have the Guards given anyone with a GIM, protection?. Give me an example or your point is invalid to me.

Banana Republic.

Cork_Langer1 wrote: »

"A threat was made to abduct, kill and dismember him in the weeks before he went missing, at around 6pm last Sunday."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/cormac-okeeffe-gang-bosses-see-young-operatives-as-expendable-975760.html

Covert surveillance is already used in areas like coolock, why not overt, have all patrols out, I don't have the answer but they were just some suggestions.

New info here on this, thanks, didn't realise it was a detailed threat. The fact that he was running with both gangs then the guards wouldn't know which gang was giving him the warnings maybe, this must be the reason he was killed cause he was with both sides. As far as gangs go "that's not cool"

Banana Republic.

Banana Republic. wrote: »

New info here on this, thanks, didn't realise it was a detailed threat. The fact that he was running with both gangs then the guards wouldn't know which gang was giving him the warnings maybe, this must be the reason he was killed cause he was with both sides. As far as gangs go "that's not cool"

He wasn’t with both gangs stop beleieving everything papers are writing he wasn’t with either he was selling for lads who’d be with Flashys finglas lads, he was selling for them for atleast 2 years before his murder he started dealing very young it could have been longer that’s just when I first heard of him and the guards are well aware of which gang killed him between the two main gangs in drogheda anyone with a brain cell knows that so you clearly know nothing he would have known people from both gangs yeah but he wasn’t dealing for either he used to be in the company with a brother of the person who got blamed for the murder of sean little the one who did the lie detector test them two brothers used to live to an area very close to drogheda in Meath and I’d say that’s how the link started. I don’t really know the reason why he was killed but one possible reason is that he was seeing as a young drug dealer making money for himself who may have been a big player in drogheda in a few years and maybe he did talk about one of the gangs like some said, saying he wasn’t afraid of them I don’t know I don’t think the people who were involved in getting him murdered even know every detail of all this

Felix Guzman

Fedcba321 wrote: »

He wasn’t with both gangs stop beleieving everything papers are writing he wasn’t with either he was selling for lads who’d be with Flashys finglas lads, he was selling for them for atleast 2 years before his murder he started dealing very young it could have been longer that’s just when I first heard of him and the guards are well aware of which gang killed him between the two main gangs in drogheda anyone with a brain cell knows that so you clearly know nothing he would have known people from both gangs yeah but he wasn’t dealing for either he was regularly with a brother of the person who got blamed for the murder of sean little them two brothers used to live to an area close to drogheda in Meath . I don’t really know the reason why he was killed but one possible reason is that he was seeing as a young drug dealer making money for himself who may have been a big player in drogheda in a few years and maybe he did talk about one of the gangs like some said, saying he wasn’t afraid of them I don’t know I don’t think the people who were involved in getting him murdered even know every detail of all this

He sold drugs , he got killed . KARMA .