Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking charges

Neyite

KiKi III wrote: »

If she believes Epstein didn’t kill himself, she has every reason to sing straight away.

She's much more of a threat to the men involved than Epstein ever was. She was the one who made travel arrangements, recruited and instructed the girls, liaised with the men which child they wanted and when. The men involved probably didn't bother to learn the name of the child they were raping at any given time, Epstein included.

If she's got any sort of sense, and I think she does, she will have gathered enough to implicate those men and stashed it away safely. And made it clear that in the event anything happens to her, the lot gets uploaded to the internet. Or that if she's going down for it, she'll bring the lot of them with her.

Unfortunately I'm not optimistic about the victims getting justice here. There are too many powerful people involved who have a vested interest in making sure that it all stays buried.

drunkmonkey

Aquamemo wrote: »

Rumours going around that Ellen DeGeneres and Oprah Winfrey could be arrested next.

There on the flight list so is Obama...I do believe there's powerful women behind this not necessarily those two though.
Not sure if this is correct..

everlast75

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There on the flight list so is Obama...I do believe there's powerful women behind this not necessarily those two though.
Not sure if this is correct..

So... You're prepared to publish a list without knowing whether it is correct or not, but you are not prepared to consider photographic evidence of Trump and Epstein socialising at parties and direct witness testimony implicating Trump, or that fact that Epstein was killed/died through negligence under his watch.

Okay.

ohnonotgmail

everlast75 wrote: »

So... You're prepared to publish a list without knowing whether it is correct or not, but you are not prepared to consider photographic evidence of Trump and Epstein socialising at parties and direct witness testimony implicating Trump, or that fact that Epstein was killed/died through negligence under his watch.

Okay.

and they have the nerve to describe other posters as deranged.

drunkmonkey

everlast75 wrote: »

So... You're prepared to publish a list without knowing whether it is correct or not, but you are not prepared to consider photographic evidence of Trump and Epstein socialising at parties and direct witness testimony implicating Trump, or that fact that Epstein was killed/died through negligence under his watch.

Okay.

I'm don't have access to evidence in the case, that list was in response to someone throwing out random names, the flights lists are public record and those names are on it, so it's some way factual. It means nothing though.
It's a case of believe it if you like until we know more. Being at the same party means nothing, is Elon Musk implicated as he was at a similar party in a similar picture. Trump in a picture to Trump is a rapist that controls his victims with death threats is a massive leap to make.

joeguevara

Obviously not wanting this to descend into a conspiracy theory but the way people believed that he had died without question is strange. For someone who kept meticulous records he would have had to have a dead mans switch that if he was killed would automatically expose all of his friends.

One other thing is the recent sketch of a short haired woman who was seen in Portugal around the time of a certain high profile abduction with two other US brothers seems very similar to Maxwell.

Rockbeast2

Wrong thread!

everlast75

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm don't have access to evidence in the case, that list was in response to someone throwing out random names, the flights lists are public record and those names are on it, so it's some way factual. It means nothing though.
It's a case of believe it if you like until we know more. Being at the same party means nothing, is Elon Musk implicated as he was at a similar party in a similar picture. Trump in a picture to Trump is a rapist that controls his victims with death threats is a massive leap to make.

Not when there are 23 allegations of sexual assault and rape against him, but in any event, I'll leave it there.

Let's hope she testifies and lives long enough to go to jail for what she did, along with those that partook in or facilitated what Epstein did.

Carfacemandog

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm don't have access to evidence in the case, that list was in response to someone throwing out random names, the flights lists are public record and those names are on it, so it's some way factual. It means nothing though.
It's a case of believe it if you like until we know more. Being at the same party means nothing, is Elon Musk implicated as he was at a similar party in a similar picture. Trump in a picture to Trump is a rapist that controls his victims with death threats is a massive leap to make.

Trump threatening people is a 'leap' made by his personal lawyer who was commissioned to do it actually.

A random picture where the person who retrieved it openly admits to just randomly grabbing off a page on google in the same image is a little more tenuous.

It's accepted common knowledge that Prince Andrew, the Clintons and Donald Trump were all very, very close with Epstein, and all look to have a good deal of guilt here. Properly looking into how he cuicided himself if Trump had nothing to do with it would have been a massive PR win that he desperately needs, and something he would have shouted loudly on over Twitter for the last year. Instead, there's barely been a peep from him and barely an inch of carpet lifted from William Barr's DOJ to see what got swept under it. Just the firing of the guy in charge of the body that arrested his accomplice, and that previously were overseeing a trial with Epstein and Trump as codefendants for raping a child.

KiKi III

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm don't have access to evidence in the case, that list was in response to someone throwing out random names, the flights lists are public record and those names are on it, so it's some way factual. It means nothing though.
It's a case of believe it if you like until we know more. Being at the same party means nothing, is Elon Musk implicated as he was at a similar party in a similar picture. Trump in a picture to Trump is a rapist that controls his victims with death threats is a massive leap to make.

Where are they on public record? Link?

Carfacemandog

KiKi III wrote: »

Where are they on public record? Link?

They might be referring to Epsteins handwritten ledger. If they are, then they are conveniently omitting the fact that Donald Trump was also in this ledger, along with several of his family members (including his daughter Ivanka).

Tony EH

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What would you rather we call people with an obsession that Trump is the root of all evils. There praying this takes down Trump, they'll lose it when the penny drops it's going to make him stronger.
It's hard to get your head around how evil the Clintons might actually be. Trump has called it from the start and consistently through his presidency.

FUCKING LOL :pac:

Tony EH

mouldybiscuits wrote: »

This comment looks like a confirmed diagnosis. Trump derangement syndrome is definitely a thing. Some people will believe anything negative about him and disregard anything positive to fuel their hatred. Those type of people just brainlessly eat up whatever the media spews.

By that yardstick, there's a "Clinton Derangement Syndrome" too.

Tony EH

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There on the flight list so is Obama...I do believe there's powerful women behind this not necessarily those two though.
Not sure if this is correct..

A flight list doesn't mean that the people on the plane were going to his island.

Epstein allowed people to use his private jets to go where they wanted. Unless there's a destination included, these "flight lists" are useless as anything except a bunch of names.

biko

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8484629/Ghislaine-Maxwell-arrested-1million-New-Hampshire-estate-bought-secret.html

Nice hideout

drunkmonkey

Tony EH wrote: »

A flight list doesn't mean that the people on the plane were going to his island.

Epstein allowed people to use his private jets to go where they wanted. Unless there's a destination included, these "flight lists" are useless as anything except a bunch of names.

Exactly my point and the same applies to them pictured with Trump.
Some more snaps, https://pagesix.com/2020/07/02/pre-arrest-ghislaine-maxwell-with-her-famous-friends/?_ga=2.118634572.415374343.1593644342-1688889644.1591486935#1

4068ac1elhodqr

Thought it would be clear Bill Clinton would've closer to the Stein & Maxwell that Trump (property deals) ever was.
Madam Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding, and a recent book suggested Bill "I did not have relations with..." was banging the Madam at one stage (on plane/island and at her townhouse).

ohnonotgmail

Nolan Savory Warden wrote: »

Thought it would be clear Bill Clinton would've closer to the Stein & Maxwell that Trump (property deals) ever was.
Madam Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding, and a recent book suggested Bill "I did not have relations with..." was banging the Madam at one stage (on plane/island and at her townhouse).

trump was a personal friend of epstein. it wasnt just a business relationship. Bill Barrs father was also very close to epstein.

everlast75

Nolan Savory Warden wrote: »

Thought it would be clear Bill Clinton would've closer to the Stein & Maxwell that Trump (property deals) ever was.
Madam Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding, and a recent book suggested Bill "I did not have relations with..." was banging the Madam at one stage (on plane/island and at her townhouse).

As someone with more of a Democrat leaning, I'm happy to say that if Clinton is involved, I hope he spends the rest of his days in jail.

Would Trump loyalists be prepared to say the same if he is involved?

4068ac1elhodqr

Problem is Trump the dealmaker friends are business relationship at the core.
Donald already had alluded to the Steins wicked ways once proclaiming he likes 'em young'

Bill and the Madam sure do look cosy and informal on their way into the private plane.
Surprised Hilary let her attend the Chelsea wedding.

Carfacemandog

Nolan Savory Warden wrote: »

Problem is Trump the dealmaker friends are business relationship at the core.
Donald already had alluded to the Steins wicked ways once proclaiming he likes 'em young'

"I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

Oh yeah, scathing stuff right there. This quote being taken while Epstein was using Trumps resorts to prey on underage girls who wound up in his exploitation scheme.

We all get that Bill Clinton has likely got some very dodgy dealings on the same nature as Trump when it comes to Epstein. What's curious is why the trump brigade feel such a reflexived need to defend a pedophile who is already on record about bragging about barging into changing rooms to peer at undressed girls, many of whom were underage, at his pagents?

Muahahaha

So where does this case head to now? Surely Maxwell has to sing to reduce that 35 years she is looking at.

drunkmonkey

Muahahaha wrote: »

So where does this case head to now? Surely Maxwell has to sing to reduce that 35 years she is looking at.

She's the ring leader by the sounds of it, I'd say they don't even need her testimony with all the Video evidence. Can't see them giving her much off, even if she got 15yrs off she's still looking at 20 behind bars which is pretty much life as she'd have to make it to 78 before release which is highly unlikely.

political analyst

Ghislaine knew she was already under suspicion. So why didn't she go back to - and stay in - Britain when she had the opportunity? She was incredibly stupid to continue living in the US after Epstein was arrested and charged shortly before his death/

political analyst

Carfacemandog wrote: »

"I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

Oh yeah, scathing stuff right there. This quote being taken while Epstein was using Trumps resorts to prey on underage girls who wound up in his exploitation scheme.

We all get that Bill Clinton has likely got some very dodgy dealings on the same nature as Trump when it comes to Epstein. What's curious is why the trump brigade feel such a reflexived need to defend a pedophile who is already on record about bragging about barging into changing rooms to peer at undressed girls, many of whom were underage, at his pagents?

To say that bragging about doing something is proof of having done or intending to do it is like saying that the gardaí who joked about raping a woman they had arrested actually were going to commit a crime against her.

Muahahaha

drunkmonkey wrote: »

She's the ring leader by the sounds of it, I'd say they don't even need her testimony with all the Video evidence. Can't see them giving her much off, even if she got 15yrs off she's still looking at 20 behind bars which is pretty much life as she'd have to make it to 78 before release which is highly unlikely.

yeah but even if she is just offered 10 years off its worth taking to give her some chance of not dying in prison.

Im interested to see where this goes next. By all accounts Gislaine was the madam for the under aged brothel in New York and organising all the young girls for Epsteins party island. Surely we should be seeing some pretty high profile people brought in for questioning soon. Id say there are a lot of wealthy people who are not necessarily household names caught up in this too and availed of Epsteins and Maxwells girls, would expect a lot of Wall St bankers, lawyers, etc were going to these parties too.

Carfacemandog

political analyst wrote: »

To say that bragging about doing something is proof of having done or intending to do it is like saying that the gardaí who joked about raping a woman they had arrested actually were going to commit a crime against her.

There are also women like Mariana Billado (former Miss teen Utah) confirming that he did indeed do just that - walk in on them when they were undressing in the changing room during pagents.

BorneTobyWilde

First thing she needs to do is make a statement

' I did not kill myself next month''

But seriously, she needs to make a statement asap, that under no circumstances is she suicidal, or has she any intention of harming herself

BorneTobyWilde

political analyst wrote: »

Ghislaine knew she was already under suspicion. So why didn't she go back to - and stay in - Britain when she had the opportunity? She was incredibly stupid to continue living in the US after Epstein was arrested and charged shortly before his death/

Feared she'd be picked up at the airport probably.

chicorytip

How did Epstein amass a five hundred million dollar fortune and where is that money now? He had a fake degree and got sacked from his first job. It is unclear what precisely he did for a living. Betted on the stock market??