Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

Brian?

nthclare wrote: »

Well let's find out who the Bogey men are, if it's clear that Antifa are a bunch of misfits and odd ball's, mostly **** too.

Blame it on the boggie ?

Throwing toy's out of the buggy..

What's a simple solution ?

I can’t understand your post. Do you disagree with the FBI?

Mad_maxx

i dont go in for conspiracy theories but i think there might be something to the idea that antifa are a tool of big corporations , the most vocal manifestation of the left nowadays are most concerned with cultural issues which multinational companies enthusiastically support , i.e , gay marriage , abortion , gender theory and of course loose to open national borders , add to that the left at least publicly are made up of unquestionably middle class people who tend not to be concerned with bread and butter traditional left issues

the giant corporations deflect the obvious problems with unfettered capitalism by pushing divisive cultural debates which in the past were limited to fringe academia

nthclare

Brian? wrote: »

I can’t understand your post. Do you disagree with the FBI?

They couldn't find the Intel, because they're still looking for it.

But they'll find it don't worry Brian.

Antifa will be joining the KKK and other nut jobs in the list of terrorists that the world will frown upon...

nthclare

nthclare wrote: »

They couldn't find the Intel, because they're still looking for it.

But they'll find it don't worry Brian.

Antifa will be joining the KKK and other nut jobs in the list of terrorists that the world will frown upon...

The KKK aren't designated as a terror organization. Okay so at this point in time, there's no evidence that Antifa had anything to do with rioting etc. A far right group seems to have been trying to escalating it though...

"The report did warn that individuals from a far-right social media group had “called for far-right provocateurs to attack federal agents, use automatic weapons against protesters.” (The Nation is withholding the name of the group in order to not disrupt any potential law enforcement investigations.)"

Clarence Boddiker

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

"The FBI Finds ‘No Intel Indicating Antifa Involvement’ in Sunday’s Violence
Trump wants to designate antifa a terrorist organization, despite lack of authority and evidence of wrongdoing."

https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/

Looks like Trump, Barr and Fox news lied when they tried to make Antifa a bogeyman.

Wow that was some thorough investigation, how long did it take, two whole days?

Clarence Boddiker

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Wow that was some thorough investigation, how long did it take, two whole days?

The FBI would generally be monitoring for any chatter about things like this. So it wouldn't be surprising that they have a good idea about what groups are involved....

Brian?

nthclare wrote: »

They couldn't find the Intel, because they're still looking for it.

But they'll find it don't worry Brian.

Antifa will be joining the KKK and other nut jobs in the list of terrorists that the world will frown upon...

I hope they are still looking for it too, because if they are committing acts of violence they should be punished.

You have to admit though surly, if it was as widespread as people here seem to believe it wouldn't be too hard to find.

FYI, the KKK aren't on a list of terrorists. Neither are any other domestic terror group in the US, which is why the idea of putting Antifa on one is so ridiculous.

Brian?

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Wow that was some thorough investigation, how long did it take, two whole days?

I'd say the FBI are a better authority on investigating criminal activity than you or I.

ohnonotgmail

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Wow that was some thorough investigation, how long did it take, two whole days?

how long did trump spend on his investigation before he decided they were a terrorist group?

Overheal

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how long did trump spend on his investigation before he decided they were a terrorist group?

Saw the one fake tweet from the white supremacy account

Biker79

Mad_maxx wrote: »

i dont go in for conspiracy theories but i think there might be something to the idea that antifa are a tool of big corporations , the most vocal manifestation of the left nowadays are most concerned with cultural issues which multinational companies enthusiastically support , i.e , gay marriage , abortion , gender theory and of course loose to open national borders , add to that the left at least publicly are made up of unquestionably middle class people who tend not to be concerned with bread and butter traditional left issues

the giant corporations deflect the obvious problems with unfettered capitalism by pushing divisive cultural debates which in the past were limited to fringe academia

Good point but it's worth looking at why MNCs are so left-leaning when the cut and thrust of global business requires conservative decision making, as any business does.

The reason for this I believe is access to an almost limitless labour market at the lowest price possible. Diversity really means access to the widest possible labour pool at the lowest price while being able to expand a global reach. A policy of diversity ticks those boxes.

Its got nothing to do with a sophisticated morality, which is what the virtue signallers might have you believe.

Taking a few steps into the future, we also have the prospect of AI-augmented human beings in the workforce. I believe a policy of diversity also lays the groundwork to support this eventuality.

jackboy

Biker79 wrote: »

Good point but it's worth looking at why MNCs are so left-leaning when the cut and thrust of global business requires conservative decision making, as any business does.

The reason for this I believe is access to an almost limitless labour market at the lowest price possible. Diversity really means access to the widest possible labour pool at the lowest price while being able to expand a global reach. A policy of diversity ticks those boxes.

Its got nothing to do with a sophisticated morality, which is what the virtue signallers might have you believe.

Taking a few steps into the future, we also have the prospect of AI-augmented human beings in the workforce. I believe a policy of diversity also lays the groundwork to support this eventuality.

Honestly, the main reason the big corporations are big into diversity is because it is good for business. Companies that welcome diversity have the pick of the talent out there. In general these companies have a decent work environment which helps retain staff. You are absolutely right that it has nothing to do with morality.

A lot of the same companies also have sites in and purchase materials from countries where diversity is unacceptable and pretty much slave labour is the norm.

ohnonotgmail

a far right group arrested in terror plot yet trump doesnt label them terrorists. i wonder why.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/prosecutors-3-arrested-on-terrorism-charges-in-las-vegas/2020/06/03/6453708e-a5e9-11ea-898e-b21b9a83f792_story.html

Brian?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

a far right group arrested in terror plot yet trump doesnt label them terrorists. i wonder why.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/prosecutors-3-arrested-on-terrorism-charges-in-las-vegas/2020/06/03/6453708e-a5e9-11ea-898e-b21b9a83f792_story.html

Remind me, how many people associated with Antifa have been arrested on terrorism charges this year?

It looks like the threat of Antifa may be overstated

ohnonotgmail

another of these boogalo boys who livestreamed an attempt to hunt down and a police officer. they didnt care which police officer, they just wanted to kill a police officer. and they look exactly as you imagine

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmanuelfelton/boogaloo-boy-arrested-texarkana-swenson

and the alt-****e still think that antifa are a terrorist organisation?

Wombatman

Fascist tries to shut down anti-fascist movement shocker....

statesaver

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1268531890945851394

James Brown

statesaver wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1268531890945851394

Project Veritas is an American right-wing activist group. The group uses "disguises and hidden cameras to uncover supposed liberal bias and corruption". The group is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations and left-leaning groups.

Near impossible? Far right elements pretending to be protesters or anti-fa are becoming commonplace.
He disproves his own assertion, if antifa was an organisation with membership and leadership, you wouldn't be able to sign up as it were, so easily.

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456

Twitter removes account of white nationalist group posing as antifa online
https://abcnews.go.com/US/twitter-removes-account-white-nationalist-group-posing-antifa/story?id=71024345

Ngo and the Fox style 'journalists' are a disgrace to society IMO. Selling shock and misinformation for 'likes'.

Overheal

Bowie wrote: »

Near impossible? Far right elements pretending to be protesters or anti-fa are becoming commonplace.
He disproves his own assertion, if antifa was an organisation with membership and leadership, you wouldn't be able to sign up as it were, so easily.

Ngo and the Fox style 'journalists' are a disgrace to society IMO. Selling shock and misinformation for 'likes'.

Here's another example of bad actors trying to incite a riot

https://twitter.com/Kaygirl8Lawana/status/1268457905226989569?s=20

Protesters were brave and stupid - grabbed the lit firework and fcuked it back into the car. Pretty sweet instant karma. But I've also seen one kid who lost a leg to a firework this week..

RWCNT

Brian? wrote: »

It looks like the threat of Antifa may be overstated

Right wing cranks on Twitter > actual evidence

1800_Ladladlad

statesaver wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1268531890945851394

no no no no thats acting all blue screen and role play. Trump did this.

James Brown

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

no no no no thats acting all blue screen and role play. Trump did this.

This is a good comment.
It's a great example of how the schoolyard has entered serious political party policy.
If someone is uninformed they might go with the herd so as not to feel or appear stupid. Here we have same. Sarcasm used to suggest that if you question the source, which has a record of false reporting, you are somehow foolish. Throwing in Trump is a good add. It's like the whole 'Orange man bad' reverse dismissal. Like most gimmicks these things only last a certain time. The wheels are coming off in the most horrific of ways. People like Ngo are a fad. Minorities shilling for the right will be just people shilling for the right.

Silentcorner

Wombatman wrote: »

Fascist tries to shut down anti-fascist movement shocker....

In Italy they have a saying...

There are two types of fascists.

Fascists and Anti Fascists.

Brian?

Silentcorner wrote: »

In Italy they have a saying...

There are two types of fascists.

Fascists and Anti Fascists.

Well that's plain stupid. I thought we all agreed that being anti fascist was a good thing. It was just Antifa people had a problem with.

Overheal

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims

https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-no-intelligence-antifa-weekend-violence-george-floyd-protests-2020-6

Silentcorner

Brian? wrote: »

Well that's plain stupid. I thought we all agreed that being anti fascist was a good thing. It was just Antifa people had a problem with.

Everyone hates fascists, I was just quoting an Italian saying..no difference between a fascist and a socialist in terms of end result and method!

Overheal

Silentcorner wrote: »

Everyone hates fascists, I was just quoting an Italian saying..no difference between a fascist and a socialist in terms of end result and method!

And what Result and Method is that

James Brown

Silentcorner wrote: »

Everyone hates fascists, I was just quoting an Italian saying..no difference between a fascist and a socialist in terms of end result and method!

That makes no sense.

ohnonotgmail

it is funny how socialist is the opposite end of the spectrum to fascist

Silentcorner

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it is funny how socialist is the opposite end of the spectrum to fascist

Correct, two extreme's....with very similar methods and results.

Abuse the democratic process by any means necessary, control the media, use violence and anarchy to achieve power.