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    #902
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobelium wrote: »
    yep, it's called people who don't defend and endorse the murdering of women and kids

    'it's'???? :confused:

    Have you touched them to make sure they are real? ;)


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    #903
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    FrancieBrady wrote: »

    Have you touched them to make sure they are real? ;)

    Sinn Fein the pedophile party.


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    #904
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Sinn Fein the pedophile party.

    There should be slogan writing competition for party's based on what one or two of their members do:

    Fine Gael - the insurance fraud pary
    Fine Gael - the glass in your face party
    Fianna Fail - the drink driving party
    Fine Gael - the sterling for political favours party.

    :)


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    #905
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    There should be slogan writing competition for party's based on what one or two of their members do:

    Fine Gael - the insurance fraud pary
    Fine Gael - the glass in your face party
    Fianna Fail - the drink driving party
    Fine Gael - the sterling for political favours party.

    :)
    One of two? How many hundreds or thousands of s.f. members were involved in paramilitaries?


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    #906
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    There should be slogan writing competition for party's based on what one or two of their members do:

    Fine Gael - the insurance fraud pary
    Fine Gael - the glass in your face party
    Fianna Fail - the drink driving party
    Fine Gael - the sterling for political favours party.

    :)

    It's been a lot more than one or two members in Sinn Fein , and they ruined lots of innocent peoples lives. I suppose in their eyes moving from blowing up women and kids to raping and abusing them, and then covering it up with intimidation, bulling and lies is seen as progress.


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    #907
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    One of two? How many hundreds or thousands of s.f. members were involved in paramilitaries?

    The ones that say they were?

    They don't have a problem with being in the IRA, you do know that?


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    #908
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobelium wrote: »
    It's been a lot more than one or two members in Sinn Fein , and they ruined lots of innocent peoples lives. I suppose in their eyes moving from blowing up women and kids to raping and abusing them, and then covering it up with intimidation, bulling and lies is seen as progress.

    :D:D You have it bad don't you?


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    #909
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The ones that say they were?

    They don't have a problem with being in the IRA, you do know that?

    Some members had a problem with being in the Pira, and all of society had a problem with the Pira, that is why it was an illegal organisation. You do know that?


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    #910
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    :D:D You have it bad don't you?

    No, the people who's lives they destroyed have, and you think SF rape and sexual abuse is funny . . all grins and smiley faces. You people are sick in the head.


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    #911
    [Deleted User]
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    Nobelium wrote: »
    we didn't forget murderers of women and kids

    Less of the Brit bashing there, horse. Time to move on.


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    #912
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Less of the Brit bashing there, horse. Time to move on.

    Shinners calling themselves Brits now, that's a good one.


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    #913
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Some members had a problem with being in the Pira, and all of society had a problem with the Pira, that is why it was an illegal organisation. You do know that?

    All of society? I don't think those who continue to elect SF have a problem...that is a silly consensus you have invented yet again.


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    #914
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobelium wrote: »
    No, the people who's lives they destroyed have, and you think SF rape and sexual abuse is funny . . all grins and smiley faces. You people are sick in the head.

    'SF rape and sexual abuse' is like saying Fine Gael insurance fraud or Fine Gael corrupt payments.

    Please stop digging holes will you, we understand you don't like them.


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    #915
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    'SF rape and sexual abuse' is like saying Fine Gael insurance fraud or Fine Gael corrupt payments.

    Please stop digging holes will you, we understand you don't like them.

    SF don't like anyone telling the truth . . digging holes like the good old days, where you could threaten to bury anyone who spoke out ?


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    #916
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobelium wrote: »
    SF don't like anyone telling the truth . . digging holes like the good old days, where you could threaten to bury anyone who spoke out ?

    SF buried people for telling the truth in the good old days...really? :D


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    #917
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    SF buried people for telling the truth in the good old days...really? :D
    Was Jean McColville abducted, tortured and secretly buried because she went to the aid of a dying British soldier or was she abducted and killed because she was a law abiding citizen and spoke the truth?
    The armed wing of SF buried people they did not like. Fact. Sometimes they just disappeared them so their family did not even have a body to grieve over.


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    #918
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Was Jean McColville abducted, tortured and secretly buried because she went to the aid of a dying British soldier or was she abducted and killed because she was a law abiding citizen and spoke the truth?
    The armed wing of SF buried people they did not like. Fact. Sometimes they just disappeared them so their family did not even have a body to grieve over.

    SF buried Jean McConville?..I've heard it all now. :)


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    #919
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    SF buried Jean McConville?..I've heard it all now. :)
    I said "the armed wing of S. F." Who do you think buried her?


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    #920
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    I said "the armed wing of S. F." Who do you think buried her?

    It was as far as I know 'the IRA'. It was a much warned about sanction against informers, in a particularly bloody and chaotic time in the conflict.


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    #921
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It was as far as I know 'the IRA'.

    And do you think "the IRA" was the armed wing of Sinn Fein at the time?


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    #922
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    And do you think "the IRA" was the armed wing of Sinn Fein at the time?

    If SF and the IRA where one and the same then why couldn't the British arrest and charge somebody who was a member of SF?


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    #923
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If SF and the IRA where one and the same then why couldn't the British arrest and charge somebody who was a member of SF?

    Because it is possible for people to be in an organisation but not in the armed wing of it at the time. Now please answer the question without deflecting again.


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    #924
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Because it is possible for people to be in an organisation but not in the armed wing of it at the time. Now please answer the question without deflecting again.

    So now the question is: Was the IRA the armed wing of only some in SF?

    I think SF represented the political views of the IRA. They were separate and distinct organisations and were treated as such.


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    #925
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So now the question is: Was the IRA the armed wing of only some in SF?

    I think SF represented the political views of the IRA. They were separate and distinct organisations and were treated as such.

    Isn’t there former IRA members in SF?


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    #926
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Isn’t there former IRA members in SF?

    Yep. And there are some who aren't in SF.


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    #927
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So now the question is: Was the IRA the armed wing of only some in SF?

    .

    No. The question was " Do you think the IRA was the armed wing of Sinn Fein at the time"?


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    #928
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    No. The question was " Do you think the IRA was the armed wing of Sinn Fein at the time"?

    No Jan I don't. They were separate organisations. You could be in SF and not in the IRA and vice versa.


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    #929
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Nobelium wrote: »
    SF don't like anyone telling the truth . . digging holes like the good old days, where you could threaten to bury anyone who spoke out ?

    I do not think Francie agree with you there.

    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    They were separate organisations. You could be in SF and not in the IRA and vice versa.

    Of course they were "separate organisations", but do you not think there was some overlap? Of course "You could be in SF and not in the IRA and vice versa" but do you not think more than a few were in both organisations?


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    #930
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    I do not think Francie agree with you there.




    Of course they were "separate organisations", but do you not think there was some overlap? Of course "You could be in SF and not in the IRA and vice versa" but do you not think more than a few were in both organisations?

    I don't really care anymore who was in the IRA and who wasn't. The conflict/war is over for over 20 years.
    I care about creating a society were there is no need for any army.


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    #931
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    janfebmar wrote: »

    Of course they were "separate organisations", but do you not think there was some overlap? Of course "You could be in SF and not in the IRA and vice versa" but do you not think more than a few were in both organisations?

    Surely you could argue same point in relation to any organisation??


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