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Homophobic attack on London bus - mod warning, please see OP

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    #1022
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    policarp wrote: »
    Not so sure about that statistic.
    Was in London last week and my friends didn,t feel so safe

    Not being safe & not "feeling" safe are 2 different things.


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    #1023
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,814 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    It was a mysoginistic attack on two women who stood up to efforts of men to assert dominance and control over them. One of the victims in her Op Ed https://time.com/5607728/london-bus-attack-guardian/ has lamented the story being utilised for clickbait articles and effectively puts down the attack to the "capitalist, white supremacist, patriarchal system".

    A legitimate attack to call homophobic and which is truly disgusting is this reported attack in Merseyside https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-48770087

    Who said you can decide whats legitamate and illegitmate?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1024
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Who said you can decide whats legitamate and illegitmate?

    What has that got to do with anything? Have you taken your medication today?


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    #1025
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,153 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Situation not helped by outrageous heterophobic comment from the likes of high profile women in the news these days. USA football star Rapinoe voices prejudiced belief that a team of only heterosexuals would be unable to win the world cup. It isnt a physical attack - but its an extraordinary vocal attack that would be not tolerated if it were homophobic.
    Stiff sanction may yet follow I guess.

    LINK?


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    #1026
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    LINK?

    She's a bigot alright :

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/womens_football/megan-rapinoe-trump-gay-womens-world-cup-uswnt-france-score-result-a8980296.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/28/cant-win-without-gays-usa-megan-rapinoe


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    #1027
    Nikki Sixx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭Nikki Sixx


    Are we still talking about this? Should people not be celebrating homosexuality at the parade/parades.


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    #1028
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    It’s the BBC they ain’t going to mention the Religious angle

    They do every other chance they get.


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    #1029
    Tokyo
    Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,655 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Mod: Moved from AH > CA


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    #1030
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    She's a bigot alright :

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/womens_football/megan-rapinoe-trump-gay-womens-world-cup-uswnt-france-score-result-a8980296.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/28/cant-win-without-gays-usa-megan-rapinoe

    How is that heterophobia? It's pointing out the obvious that many more aggressive, physical sports like football attract lesbians. Her comment appears to have been tongue in cheek,coinciding with Pride.

    If there were 10 lesbians and one straight woman in the team and it was an active policy to recruit gays then maybe it could be considered some type of discrimination. Otherwise, meh.


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    #1031
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    It was a mysoginistic attack on two women who stood up to efforts of men to assert dominance and control over them. One of the victims in her Op Ed https://time.com/5607728/london-bus-attack-guardian/ has lamented the story being utilised for clickbait articles and effectively puts down the attack to the "capitalist, white supremacist, patriarchal system".

    A legitimate attack to call homophobic and which is truly disgusting is this reported attack in Merseyside https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-48770087

    she is a nutter
    they had all the opportunity to do good and she does a Claire Daly on it. ffs
    .it would make you wonder about their story..


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    #1032
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    How is that heterophobia? It's pointing out the obvious that many more aggressive, physical sports like football attract lesbians. Her comment appears to have been tongue in cheek,coinciding with Pride.

    If there were 10 lesbians and one straight woman in the team and it was an active policy to recruit gays then maybe it could be considered some type of discrimination. Otherwise, meh.

    Go England! Totally classless. Typical Yank sportsperson. Hope England hop them out of it.


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    #1033
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    What has that got to do with anything? Have you taken your medication today?

    Mod note: Assetbacked, don't post in this thread again.

    Buford T. Justice.


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    #1034
    Amalgam
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    What has that got to do with anything? Have you taken your medication today?

    What about yourself, have you?

    Maybe you should send PMs to each other daily, as a reminder..


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    #1035
    pinkyeye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    mike_ie wrote: »
    Mod: Moved from AH > CA

    This a genuine question, not a criticism, but is there anything left in AH now?


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    #1036
    Woodsie1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    pinkyeye wrote: »
    This a genuine question, not a criticism, but is there anything left in AH now?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=7


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    #1037
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,814 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    pinkyeye wrote: »
    This a genuine question, not a criticism, but is there anything left in AH now?
    No

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1038
    pinkyeye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=7

    Okay, thanks for that. I just don't see the need for two different forums.

    What am I missing? :confused:


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    #1039
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pinkyeye wrote: »
    Okay, thanks for that. I just don't see the need for two different forums.

    What am I missing? :confused:

    AH wasn't supposed to be a forum for this type of thread, so we now have CA.


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    #1040
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,248 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    pinkyeye wrote: »
    Okay, thanks for that. I just don't see the need for two different forums.

    What am I missing? :confused:

    Read the feedback thread

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057990124

    Moderator: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender, Vegan & Vegetarian

    Category Moderator: Social & Fun



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    #1041
    pinkyeye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    Read the feedback thread

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057990124

    Okay, that makes sense now. Thanks Ten.


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    #1042
    Nikki Sixx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭Nikki Sixx


    Any chance a mod could close this? The story is beyond old at this stage.


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    #1043
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    Sheridan81 wrote: »
    So many questions.

    What is Chris's surname and why is she withholding it?
    Who took the picture?
    Why did Melania wait a week to post about the attack on facebook and why post about it at all?
    Why post the story in two different languages?
    Why did they stop for a picture after presumably the most traumatic, frightening experience of their life?
    Why didn't the person who took the picture help them when they were being attacked?
    What were the other passengers doing?
    Why does Chris not know how they got from the top of the bus to "fighting on the lower level"?
    Why does Melania seem to think they were fighting on the top level and "when we went downstairs the police were there"?
    Why didn't the bus driver hear the commotion and stop?
    How did they make such a quick recovery from broken noses and broken jaws to appear perfectly fine on TV 10 days later?
    Why is there no sign of Melania's black eye in the original picture?
    Why is most of the blood spatter concentrated on their noses and Melania's shirt?
    Why does Melania get dizzy at the sight of her own blood when she's capable of dissecting?
    Why couldn't they count the number of attackers? ("At least 4 of them" -and there's been a fifth arrest?)
    How did attackers initially described as 'men' turn out to be teenagers?
    Why can't Melania remember if she lost consciousness or not?
    How have they managed to recover from an attack that would leave a lot of people mentally scarred, agoraphobic and/or suicidal in such a short space of time, so much so that they can appear on TV and media as nerveless champions of LGBT rights and other victims within those minority groups?
    How did a physical assault resulting in a broken nose and jaw-sometimes life changing for some- result in Chris feeling, and I quote, "more physically confident"?
    How did an assault become an international story?
    Why are they giving their opinion on Boris Johnson's leadership qualities?
    Will we ever see the perpetrators?
    Will we ever discover the names of the perpetrators?
    (Edit: I will strike through as questions get answered!)
    I think these are still important questions that need answering! I don't think anyone has yet. Given how much interest there was, why not let's wait and see what happens


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    #1044
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Kimsang wrote: »
    I think these are still important questions that need answering! I don't think anyone has yet. Given how much interest there was, why not let's wait and see what happens

    Most of the questions were related to victim blaming or claiming it never happened. The question about seeing the perpetrators, nope. They're minors. So all questions of merit answered.


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    #1045
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    batgoat wrote: »
    Most of the questions were related to victim blaming or claiming it never happened. The question about seeing the perpetrators, nope. They're minors. So all questions of merit answered.

    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Who said you can decide whats legitamate and illegitmate?

    *replace legitimate with merit

    Also questions don't make claims. That's the nature of a question.

    Here's a question for you! Why are people so interested in the Jussie Smollett case in the US? Are you familiar with the case?


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    #1046
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    batgoat wrote: »
    Most of the questions were related to victim blaming or claiming it never happened. The question about seeing the perpetrators, nope. They're minors. So all questions of merit answered.


    What questions of merit were answered?


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    #1047
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Kimsang wrote: »
    *replace legitimate with merit

    Also questions don't make claims. That's the nature of a question.

    Here's a question for you! Why are people so interested in the Jussie Smollett case in the US? Are you familiar with the case?

    Questions can be leading or make implications which those ones clearly were. The perpetrators have been arrested and charged, so not remotely similar to Smollett case.


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    #1048
    dudara
    Registered Users Posts: 33,519 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Nikki Sixx wrote: »
    Any chance a mod could close this? The story is beyond old at this stage.

    Please use Report Post to bring items to the attention of moderators. We don’t get to read every post and requests like this can be overlooked.

    The mods will review and make a decision. However, we don’t tend to close threads if there is active, ongoing debate that falls within the bounds of the forum charter.

    dudara


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    #1049
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    batgoat wrote: »
    Questions can be leading or make implications which those ones clearly were. The perpetrators have been arrested and charged, so not remotely similar to Smollett case.

    If you claim your house has been burned down, is it victim-blaming or implying you're lying if the insurance company call around to check?


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    #1050
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Kimsang wrote: »
    If you claim your house has been burned down, is it victim-blaming or implying you're lying if the insurance company call around to check?

    Can you clarify, do you believe there's a chance that they invented this attack? The police clearly don't think so and the perpetrators were arrested (based on CCTV footage). So yep, it is not your job to investigate this crime and I would say your infatuation with answering that set of questions is motivated by your feelings about the victims (because they're an example of hate crimes or one was mean to Boris?) rather than an interest in justice.


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    #1051
    Kimsang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Kimsang


    batgoat wrote: »
    Can you clarify, do you believe there's a chance that they invented this attack? The police clearly don't think so and the perpetrators were arrested (based on CCTV footage). So yep, it is not your job to investigate this crime and I would say your infatuation with answering that set of questions is motivated by your feelings about the victims (because they're an example of hate crimes or one was mean to Boris?) rather than an interest in justice.

    I am not claiming their house wasn't burned down. Clearly there was some fire, and damage afterwards. What is in question is whether the arsonists intended to burn the house down because of who lived in there and whether in any way they provoked the arsonists. I believe this is the question people are more concerned with.


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