Is America treating the UK like a colony?

Blinky Plebum

InTheShadows wrote: »

They'll be worse and always have. Look at the pathetic fawning over Obama last time he was here. It's hilarious to hear people giving out about the British considering the way we act here in this country.

We know what we are, we've been kissing the Americans arses for decades and we're very happy to do it.

We don't view ourselves as some power that would above that type of behaviour, the British however do.

Auguste Comte

The real world threat to Ireland and her citizens doesn't come from Russia.

yrreg0850

Woke Hogan wrote: »

The US treats virtually every country as a colony. How many American army bases are there around the world? How many leaders have they deposed in other countries? They've been running riot since the Monroe Doctrine.

If Trump was in any other country the U.S who would be trying to depose him.

steddyeddy

Aegir wrote: »

so it hides behind Britain and the US?

If you look at it that way A the UK hides behind America. It also hid behind the EU in terms of trade but they didn't realise it. The best outcome is an EU army.

AdamD

Aegir wrote: »

Russian bombers enter UK Airspace, RAF escorts them until they clear off.

Russian Bombers enter Irish airspace, RAF escorts them until they clear off...then tell the Irish who knew nothing about the two bombers flying across international air lanes with no transponders on, in an area that it is their duty to control.

no US involvement whatsoever.

Do you honestly believe we're under threat of bombing from Russia? We are of complete insignificance to them.

AdamD

AdamD wrote: »

Do you honestly believe we're under threat of bombing from Russia? We are of complete insignificance to them.

No, Ireland certainly isn’t.

They are expected to have some plan for controlling their airspace beyond “call the Brits”.

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

If you look at it that way A the UK hides behind America. It also hid behind the EU in terms of trade but they didn't realise it. The best outcome is an EU army.

So Ireland can hide behind an EU army?

AdamD

Aegir wrote: »

No, Ireland certainly isn’t.

They are expected to have some plan for controlling their airspace beyond “call the Brits”.

Against what? :pac:

This couldn't be any lower down on the list of priorities I'd like our government to put money towards. Defending our air space against non existent threats

Blinky Plebum

Aegir wrote: »

So Ireland can hide behind an EU army?

Ireland and every other country in the EU.

We're a small country with nothing of real interest that some other country would want to invade us.

steddyeddy

Aegir wrote: »

So Ireland can hide behind an EU army?

A is your phrase of the week "hide behind"?

threeball

recedite wrote: »

I certainly am.

Trump is selling weapons like they're going out of fashion and turning a blind eye to how they're used. It doesn't matter if the US drop the bomb themselves or supply the weaponry then hold their hands up saying "hey nothing to do with me". Thats just war by proxy and they're every bit as culpable as if Uncle Sam himself dropped it.

RustyNut

Blinky Plebum wrote: »

Ireland and every other country in the EU.

We're a small country with nothing of real interest that some other country would want to invade us.

Here is an example of a real threat Irish people face from foreign military operations in and around Irish territory.

Nothing to do with the Russians.

IT WAS just after 1pm on a clear, calm day on the Irish Sea, 25 miles off Howth.

A number of trawlers were hunting for prawns. One of those boats was the 70ft Sharelga.

Raymond McEvoy from Chapel Road in Clogherhead had bought her just before Christmas 1981, a big investment at the time and she needed to deliver.

His brother Philip was on board with him, his uncle, Noel Kirwan, brother-in-law Mickey Kelly and Gabriel Hesnan from Kildalkey who had been in the fishing game since the previous summer.

Suddenly, the Sharelga began to stop in the water and within moments terror struck.

The boat lurched backwards and continued to speed across the sea. The crew made frantic efforts to hold on to whatever they could as the stricken vessel ripped through the water at speed.

At first it was a strange kind of experience, Hesnan would later say 'we were laughing and saying maybe it's a whale!'

But the seriousness of the situation soon began to descend on the men as the boat sunk lower in the water, still being dragged fiercely along.

After about two miles and 20 minutes of concern, the boat swung to its side and that was it.

As she succumbed to the water, the men scrambled onto the keel, before finally jumping overboard.

Mickey Kelly couldn't swim and he stayed on the last piece of the vessel until he too crashed into the water. Skipper McEvoy swam to him immediately and slung a lifebelt over his arm.

Within moments the boat disappeared.

Berserker

threeball wrote: »

Trump is selling weapons like they're going out of fashion and turning a blind eye to how they're used. It doesn't matter if the US drop the bomb themselves or supply the weaponry then hold their hands up saying "hey nothing to do with me". Thats just war by proxy and they're every bit as culpable as if Uncle Sam himself dropped it.

Every US president in my living memory has sold weapons to anyone and everyone.

recedite

threeball wrote: »

Trump is selling weapons like they're going out of fashion.

Maybe they are going out of fashion; the US army is obviously not consuming (or expending?) enough of them since Trump became president.

fryup

i love the way he pointed at the queen and said.."great woman great great woman"

Del.Monte

steddyeddy wrote: »

If you look at it that way A the UK hides behind America. It also hid behind the EU in terms of trade but they didn't realise it. The best outcome is an EU army.

I take it you're too old to be conscripted into the EU army?

Blinky Plebum

RustyNut wrote: »

Here is an example of a real threat Irish people face from foreign military operations in and around Irish territory.

Nothing to do with the Russians.

The Sharelga was sunk due to a British submarine (who according to some here are our great protectors), also it happened nearly 40 years ago and was an accident.

threeball

Berserker wrote: »

Every US president in my living memory has sold weapons to anyone and everyone.

My point is that just because the US isn't officially at war it's still running wars by proxy. Its not because Trump is adverse to war or it's consequences

recedite

threeball wrote: »

My point is that just because the US isn't officially at war it's still running wars by proxy. Its not because Trump is adverse to war or it's consequences

I love how some people can still cling to their preconceived opinion, even when all the evidence is against it

odyssey06

Sense of perspective here on when the red carpet was rolled out for Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu as part of a British Airways trade deal...
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/why-ceausescus-1978-state-visit-was-far-more-humiliating-than-trumps-ever-could-be/

At least this time the red carpet is being rolled out for the USA!

RobMc59

odyssey06 wrote: »

Sense of perspective here on when the red carpet was rolled out for Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu as part of a British Airways trade deal...
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/why-ceausescus-1978-state-visit-was-far-more-humiliating-than-trumps-ever-could-be/

At least this time the red carpet is being rolled out for the USA!

Probably not as embarrassing as this little gem though..
https://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/de-valera-hitler-the-visit-of-condolence-may-1945/

odyssey06

RobMc59 wrote: »

Probably not as embarrassing as this little gem though..
https://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/de-valera-hitler-the-visit-of-condolence-may-1945/

I think even the Germans were embarrassed at that one...

janfebmar

The US President called the US-UK "special relationship" the "greatest alliance the world has ever known."
Actually when you think about it, and look today at the 75 anniversary of the D-day landings, it probably is.

Trump also said Britain and the US would be able to strike a "phenomenal trade deal" once the UK left the European Union.
He also said to Teresa May "I would have sued (the EU) and settled maybe. Perhaps you won't be given the credit you deserve". Interesting times.

Junkyard Tom

Sweet mercy people actually buy the utter shite Trump sells. The Americans told Britain to get the fuck out of Suez not long after WWII and they did exactly as they were told. Some 'alliance' that is.

Blinky Plebum

Blinky Plebum wrote: »

Ireland and every other country in the EU.

We're a small country with nothing of real interest that some other country would want to invade us.

the difference being that every other country in the EU would at least contribute to the european army.

why anyone would want to hand over their military capability, however small, to an organisation outside of their country though, I do not know.

steddyeddy

RobMc59 wrote: »

Probably not as embarrassing as this little gem though..
https://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/de-valera-hitler-the-visit-of-condolence-may-1945/

Or the collaboration of a former king of Britain with Nazis. That always seems to get overlooked.

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

The US President called the US-UK "special relationship" the "greatest alliance the world has ever known."
Actually when you think about it, and look today at the 75 anniversary of the D-day landings, it probably is.

Trump also said Britain and the US would be able to strike a "phenomenal trade deal" once the UK left the European Union.
He also said to Teresa May "I would have sued (the EU) and settled maybe. Perhaps you won't be given the credit you deserve". Interesting times.

He also gave money to Sinn Fein and is associated with Gerry Adams.

Junkyard Tom

Aegir wrote: »

so you are saying that Ireland does need air defence? If so, then why does it hide behind the UK?

Aegir wrote: »

have you ever looked at a map? Where do you think a soviet union/US war would take place?

Aegir wrote: »

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-SR4B5IgAAp7uG.jp

Aegir wrote: »

Russian bombers enter UK Airspace, RAF escorts them until they clear off. Russian Bombers enter Irish airspace, RAF escorts them until they clear off...then tell the Irish who knew nothing about the two bombers flying across international air lanes with no transponders on, in an area that it is their duty to control. no US involvement whatsoever.

Aegir wrote: »

Irish controlled airspace from who? civilian airlines were protected, because the British fighters put their transponders on, so other planes could see them. As the Norwegians did prior to handing over to the British and the French did after they took over. The Irish, on the other hand, did nothing.

Aegir wrote: »

so it hides behind Britain and the US?

Aegir wrote: »

No, Ireland certainly isn’t. They are expected to have some plan for controlling their airspace beyond “call the Brits”.

Aegir wrote: »

So Ireland can hide behind an EU army?

I'd say you'd have loved to be posted to the north during the troubles with the BA - you'd have been able to stick it to Paddy any time you like and got paid for it.

steddyeddy

Where's the Russian aggression coming from by the way? I don't remember Irish-Russian relations to be that intense.

FrancieBrady

Suggesting the British are protecting us from the Russians and not themselves is almost as funny as thinking Trump will pause for a second before he screws the British on a trade deal.