Is America treating the UK like a colony?

Junkyard Tom

Del.Monte wrote: »

Irish people need to grow up - a majority of British people voted for Brexit for a wide variety of reasons and it's going to happen.

Britain is deeply divided largely because of that 'we won' idiocy. It wasn't a football match. The people who voted to remain don't disappear.

Yamanoto

Del.Monte wrote: »

It's sad to read so much 'chip on shoulder', anti-British ****e on this thread..

Par for the course with the OP.

For a bloke making a living in Britain, Perfidious Albion is a fairly constant feature of threads they start in AH.

StinkyMunkey

When Trump told the press the NHS is on the table in trade talks, he effectively said if you want to do business with me - grab your ankles.

I personally don't think the brits will.

threeball

Del.Monte wrote: »

It's sad to read so much 'chip on shoulder', anti-British ****e on this thread given the way Ireland has long since become the 51st state of the USA in all but name. This neutral State has allowed the USA to operate its military adventures through Shannon Airport for decades.

The country has no air defence against the Russians or anybody else bar what the British provides. In the event that the country was ever threatened by anybody where would Ireland turn to.....the wicked Brits. Irish people need to grow up - a majority of British people voted for Brexit for a wide variety of reasons and it's going to happen.

And how do you react when the British government members describe us as the tail that was the dog, suggest they should starve us again if we don't play ball, treat our objections to a border like a minor nuisance, a fly that needs to be swotted. Do you tut tut the Brits on the UK equivalent of boards.

Most people don't hate the Brits but watching them constantly shoot themselves in the foot and still look down their nose at the Europeans, Irish etc gets tiresome and they deserve their comeuppance. The brexiteers are some of the most deluded, racist, hate mongering little Englanders imaginable and I for one will not apologise for taking pleasure in watching them fail miserably.

zom

threeball wrote: »

watching them constantly shoot themselves in the foot and still look down their nose at the Europeans, Irish etc gets tiresome

Thanks god we solved all our problems without help of anyone, we have strong independent political, economic and military position, and now we can sympathies with old poor Brits falling on their knees..

steddyeddy

Del.Monte wrote: »

It's sad to read so much 'chip on shoulder', anti-British ****e on this thread given the way Ireland has long since become the 51st state of the USA in all but name. This neutral State has allowed the USA to operate its military adventures through Shannon Airport for decades.

The country has no air defence against the Russians or anybody else bar what the British provides. In the event that the country was ever threatened by anybody where would Ireland turn to.....the wicked Brits. Irish people need to grow up - a majority of British people voted for Brexit for a wide variety of reasons and it's going to happen.

In fairness I live in the south of England and have made some great friends here. The ordinary English person is a far cry away from the type of Tory that's selling thew country for the ideology of Brexit. I think it's horrible what's happening to ordinary people living here. I think Brexit supporters have been sold a lie and the US under Trump will capitalise on that.

Fan of Netflix

You have to laugh at the idea the Russians are a bigger threat to us than the British. Turn off Sky News and read a history book Monte.

steddyeddy

Yamanoto wrote: »

Par for the course with the OP.

For a bloke making a living in Britain, Perfidious Albion is a fairly constant feature of threads they start in AH.

Actually it's Brexit I hate and the increasingly elitest ruling classes that are ruining the place.

steddyeddy

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

You have to laugh at the idea the Russians are a bigger threat to us than the British. Turn off Sky News and read a history book Monte.

Even so there's no way the Irish-American lobby would stand by and allow the Russians to attack us.

whisky_galore

Del.Monte wrote: »

a majority of British people voted for Brexit for a wide variety of reasons and it's going to happen.

"Something" will happen. Quite what that something will be, fcuk knows, but you can bet that the "something" won't be particularly good.

They voted, but hadn't a bulls notion what they were voting for or what the outcome would be. It's an unplanned, uncharted clusterfück.

_blaaz

steddyeddy wrote: »

Even so there's no way the Irish-American lobby would stand by and allow the Russians to attack us.

Tbh if it lined their pockets enough theyd look the other way


Some particularly grubby politians have attached themselves to irish american lobby

(which we must be starting to fade off as a demographic there now,no large emigration there in 2 generations)

threeball

zom wrote: »

Thanks god we solved all our problems without help of anyone, we have strong independent political, economic and military position, and now we can sympathies with old poor Brits falling on their knees..

Our position wasn't entirely helped by our wonderful neighbours now was it and if you're being objective they're not exactly helping matters right now either. Not content with ****ing up other people's countries they've finally got round to ****ing up their own.

janfebmar

steddyeddy wrote: »

Even so there's no way the Irish-American lobby would stand by and allow the Russians to attack us.

In 2015, nor for the first time, two flights bound for Dublin Airport took evasive action after two Russian bombers fly-by in Irish-controlled airspace.

Two passenger planes carrying hundreds of people were disrupted by Russian bombers which flew through Irish-controlled airspace, it has emerged.

The Irish Aviation Authority confirmed one flight was delayed and another forced to take evasive action from the two Tu-95 bombers on February 18.


The planes flew just 40km off the Irish coast and weaved in and out busy passenger plane traffic lanes.

The bombers were flying with their transponders switched off - making it extremely difficult for airport control towers to locate them.

A statement for from the IAA confirmed the disruption to passenger planes.

We had or have not any jets capable of tracking or keeping up with the Russians, so what happened? RAF Lossiemouth jets were scrambled to intercept the Russian planes twice in five days.

According to the Examiner "British Tornado fighter jets will shoot down aircrafts in Irish airspace if they are hijacked by terrorists for a 9/11-style attack,

Civil servants from the Department of Defence and Department of Foreign Affairs with the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) entered into a bilateral agreement with British counterparts: the RAF, the Civil Aviation Authority, the Ministry for Defence, and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

The agreement permits the British military to conduct armed operations in Irish sovereign or Irish-controlled airspace in the event of a real time or envisaged threat of a terrorist-related attack from the skies on either this country or a neighbouring state."

Looks like we are still being defended by the raf.

threeball

janfebmar wrote: »

In 2015, nor for the first time, two flights bound for Dublin Airport took evasive action after two Russian bombers fly-by in Irish-controlled airspace.

Two passenger planes carrying hundreds of people were disrupted by Russian bombers which flew through Irish-controlled airspace, it has emerged.

The Irish Aviation Authority confirmed one flight was delayed and another forced to take evasive action from the two Tu-95 bombers on February 18.


The planes flew just 40km off the Irish coast and weaved in and out busy passenger plane traffic lanes.

The bombers were flying with their transponders switched off - making it extremely difficult for airport control towers to locate them.

A statement for from the IAA confirmed the disruption to passenger planes.

We had or have not any jets capable of tracking or keeping up with the Russians, so what happened? RAF Lossiemouth jets were scrambled to intercept the Russian planes twice in five days.

That was for the Brits benefit, not for ours. I doubt we're high up the Russians "places we must bomb" list

cameramonkey

janfebmar wrote: »

In 2015, nor for the first time, two flights bound for Dublin Airport took evasive action after two Russian bombers fly-by in Irish-controlled airspace.

Two passenger planes carrying hundreds of people were disrupted by Russian bombers which flew through Irish-controlled airspace, it has emerged.

The Irish Aviation Authority confirmed one flight was delayed and another forced to take evasive action from the two Tu-95 bombers on February 18.


The planes flew just 40km off the Irish coast and weaved in and out busy passenger plane traffic lanes.

The bombers were flying with their transponders switched off - making it extremely difficult for airport control towers to locate them.

A statement for from the IAA confirmed the disruption to passenger planes.

We had or have not any jets capable of tracking or keeping up with the Russians, so what happened? RAF Lossiemouth jets were scrambled to intercept the Russian planes twice in five days.

We could buy some military radar and then we would know what was in our controlled airspace. I dont blame the Russians or the Brits, its our own fault we cant see what is flying around our island.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

steddyeddy wrote: »

Even so there's no way the Irish-American lobby would stand by and allow the Russians to attack us.

The Russians aren’t going to attack because they have no reason to. The idea that the Kremlin is going to send over the battalions is fantasy.

We should be in an EU army nevertheless.

Berserker

Trump wants to do a deal with the UK, so the colony line doesn't make any sense. Also, nobody can predict what Trump is going to do or say while he's in Ireland, so I'd hold back on commenting until he's been and gone. Trump doesn't give a damn about Irish Americans. He'll get his fair share of votes from them no matter what.

Capt'n Midnight

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Naturally enough Mexico and Canada both have much more trade with America than the UK does. Neither is a colony of America. Despite there being no free trade agreement between America and the EU, UK trade with America is substantial. It will likely continue at much the same level both ways if Brexit happens.

Trump will be gone in a few years, if not sooner. The next President will treat them much the same, just as the last few have.

About that

Trump has imposed tariffs on steel and aluminium supposedly in a trade war with China. The US gets most of it's steel imports from Canada and the EU including speciality steels from the UK.

He's currently slapping tariffs on $265Bn trade with Mexico, that's more than on China. It's already caused damage to US car makers, which won't help their UK based factories if they need to cut costs.

And he's undermining both NAFTA and WTO.

So he is in an ongoing trade war with both Mexico and Canada. And the EU, and India whose special trade status he took away.

As for China ? Huawei got an extension.



Speaking of tariffs. The UK €39 divorce bill to the EU, includes two main components, stuff like pensions for UK citizens that they can't avoid and the rest which they end up paying back in increased EU tariff.

suicide_circus

well they can fellate Donald Trump or Donald Tusk.

choose your Donald.

dd973

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness I live in the south of England and have made some great friends here. The ordinary English person is a far cry away from the type of Tory that's selling thew country for the ideology of Brexit. I think it's horrible what's happening to ordinary people living here. I think Brexit supporters have been sold a lie and the US under Trump will capitalise on that.

Orwell described England as like a family with the wrong people in charge, I think sometimes we're as ignorant of them as they are of us, why is Danny Dyer the first go-to accent when imitating 'a Tan' for instance, do people in Liverpool, Bristol and Birmingham speak like that?

If I was English I'd be praying for The Scots to go independent so Trident, the Monarchy and the Butcher's Apron could be ditched.

ygolometsipe

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The general public don't realize how much up against the wall the UK. Can you imagine if they can't make a trade deal with the EU OR the US?

I think the UK govt has accepted they will have to pay tariffs long term on EU trade.

Even this is another brexit contradiction.
* They will pay WTO tarrifs if they are not in a customs union with the EU. However,
*They can't not be in a customs union of some sort without a barrier in the north.
*Congress/US senate have stated they will not pass a trade deal if there is "damage" to the GFA.
*Brexit damages the GFA.

The best they get is WTO terms, no USA deal and the north gone to sh1t. (What trump says means nothing, no trade deal without congress)

Even if the UK makes a deal with Japan, that deal has to be aproved by the EU. Its a term in the deal we did with Japan.
The EU is also workin on a similar deal with Brazil, North Africa, India e.t.c.

You cannot win with brexit even the best possible outcome is horrendous.

Del.Monte

dd973 wrote: »

Orwell described England as like a family with the wrong people in charge, I think sometimes we're as ignorant of them as they are of us, why is Danny Dyer the first go-to accent when imitating 'a Tan' for instance, do people in Liverpool, Bristol and Birmingham speak like that?

If I was English I'd be praying for The Scots to go independent so Trident, the Monarchy and the Butcher's Apron could be ditched.

This rambling post says more about your anti-British mentality than the subject under discussion.

janfebmar

ygolometsipe wrote: »

You cannot win with brexit even the best possible outcome is horrendous.

Not necessarily. Most trade in the world is done on WTO terms. Trump and the USA also advised the UK to go for a no deal Brexit and to "throw off the shackles of EU membership".

BattleCorp

Can anyone tell me what the sweet fcuk Trump was on about when he said the NHS was 'on the table' when it comes to Brexit negotiations???

janfebmar

BattleCorp wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what the sweet fcuk Trump was on about when he said the NHS was 'on the table' when it comes to Brexit negotiations???

He wants the motherland to set up the NHS in the States. A sort of a franchise like. In exchange for all the McDonald's and franchises like Starbucks they sent to these islands.

Fan of Netflix

Del.Monte wrote: »

This rambling post says more about your anti-British mentality than the subject under discussion.

Slurp slurp get that soup in

Auguste Comte

janfebmar wrote: »

steddyeddy wrote: »

Even so there's no way the Irish-American lobby would stand by and allow the Russians to attack us.

In 2015, nor for the first time, two flights bound for Dublin Airport took evasive action after two Russian bombers fly-by in Irish-controlled airspace.

Two passenger planes carrying hundreds of people were disrupted by Russian bombers which flew through Irish-controlled airspace, it has emerged.

The Irish Aviation Authority confirmed one flight was delayed and another forced to take evasive action from the two Tu-95 bombers on February 18.


The planes flew just 40km off the Irish coast and weaved in and out busy passenger plane traffic lanes.

The bombers were flying with their transponders switched off - making it extremely difficult for airport control towers to locate them.

A statement for from the IAA confirmed the disruption to passenger planes.

We had or have not any jets capable of tracking or keeping up with the Russians, so what happened? RAF Lossiemouth jets were scrambled to intercept the Russian planes twice in five days.

According to the Examiner "British Tornado fighter jets will shoot down aircrafts in Irish airspace if they are hijacked by terrorists for a 9/11-style attack,

Civil servants from the Department of Defence and Department of Foreign Affairs with the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) entered into a bilateral agreement with British counterparts: the RAF, the Civil Aviation Authority, the Ministry for Defence, and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

The agreement permits the British military to conduct armed operations in Irish sovereign or Irish-controlled airspace in the event of a real time or envisaged threat of a terrorist-related attack from the skies on either this country or a neighbouring state."

Looks like we are still being defended by the raf.

So no harm actually occurred. How many Irish fishing boats have been sunk by British submarines?

steddyeddy

janfebmar wrote: »

Not necessarily. Most trade in the world is done on WTO terms. Trump and the USA also advised the UK to go for a no deal Brexit and to "throw off the shackles of EU membership".

No, just Trump. Not Trump and the US. Trump also said the NHS is on the table for a trade deal so get ready to lose that.

Wrong again. The following countries are the only ones that exist solely on WTO rules:

Holy See
Mauritania
Monaco
Montenegro
Palau
Timor-Leste
Sao Tome and Principe
Serbia
Somalia
South Sudan
Sudan
Western Sahara

Harry Palmr

A beggared UK is not exactly good news for Ireland by the way.

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Western Europe was where the US was going to go to battle with the Soviet Union - Britain being the 'unsinkable aircraft carrier' off the coast of the continent. It's high time that Europe left NATO and NATO left Europe. Europe needs its own self-interested defence pact using its own native tech. US interests are not European interests.

have you ever looked at a map? Where do you think a soviet union/US war would take place?