Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

L1011

jm08 wrote: »

I've been keeping an eye on the supermarket shelves, particularly Tesco and a lot of their own brand stuff that was British is now Irish or EU (butter, cheese, yougourt etc). I notice a pizza that I used get from Aldi is now made in Ireland with EU sourced Pork, so they are well ahead of the game in changing their suppliers

A very substantial % of all EU frozen pizza is made in Ireland so importing was always an oddity

Hurrache

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Just on the SSM and Abortion votes and the deadline of October 31st, could Sinn Fein slow roll the talks to delay the reestablishment of the assembly ?

First thing I thought of. It wouldn't be hard for them to make it not look like they're dragging their feet as things move glacially up there anyway. That, and the summer breaks, play into their hands to basically have Westminster do what they've been trying.

weemcd

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Just on the SSM and Abortion votes and the deadline of October 31st, could Sinn Fein slow roll the talks to delay the reestablishment of the assembly ?

Very good question, as we know SSM is a huge win for them and something they've been campaigning for a long time, whilst knowing this really hurts the DUP. Personally I think it's in their best interests to keep the Stormont gates locked until after this date, as to avoid the DUP submitting their petition of concern. I don't know how they will play it, they don't really have to do much for now. RHI enquiry findings are going to come out sooner or later and I'd imagine that will again reflect very poorly on the DUP, Foster in particular.

One thing is for sure though, the DUP will be frantically clawing for anything to stop this happening, I just wonder how far they will go, up to and including pulling support for the Conservatives, collapsing the UK government. A more tolerant, progressive society is detrimental to their outlook. I think this will be a very hot summer, weather aside.

(I don't know as much on the abortion ruling, I'm not very well up on that, but I'd imagine it's broadly the same.)

L1011

The DUP don't have the numbers for a petition of concern anymore. They would need UUP support and while I'm fairly sure that would be forthcoming on abortion it would be *very* unlikely on SSM

Hurrache

They basically have an inverse Sophie's choice, who do they want to throw under the bus more, gays and their marriage along with women and choices, or SF and their Irish Language Act.

Either way their heads will be bursting whichever way it goes.

Timberrrrrrrr

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Only LBC I think. Download the app. Just stream it like radio 1 or today fm

Definitely ITV, Not sure about UTV?

BluePlanet

Guido Fawkes are certainly making hay with the statement about checks being done away from the border:

https://order-order.com/2019/07/09/ireland-plans-checks-away-border-theres-no-deal/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+guidofawkes+%28Guy+Fawkes%27+blog+of+parliamentary+plots%2C+rumours+and+conspiracy%29

Personally i don't agree with checks away from border. I think the optics of physical border infastructure is important here. Additionally, if checks are done away from the border - how could that not be wholly abused by chancers?

Itssoeasy

It seems the DUP are threatening to not continue the confidence and supply agreement with the new PM. I've been looking on twitter at the many trending topics on the votes today, and obviously a lot of people who have campaigned on one or both of the issues are understandably happy. I feel uneasy when people are tweeting it's a done deal on both issues. Do they not understand that the DUP will anything they can to stop this happening ?

Hurrache

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It seems the DUP are threatening to not continue the confidence and supply agreement with the new PM

Does it really matter? It has been passed by parliament.

Itssoeasy

Hurrache wrote: »

Does it really matter? It has been passed by parliament.

It was passed on the provision that it comes into effect in October if there still isn't an assembly.

BluePlanet

“The truth is we will need to take some action somewhere in our economy to ensure we are protecting the integrity of the products that are going to be sold on out of Ireland,” Foreign Minister Simon Coveney said on Tuesday, referring to cross-border checks, especially animal products, in a no-deal Brexit

“(But) we are not going to put checks on the border or close to it,” he told reporters in Dublin.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-ireland/ireland-flags-need-for-no-deal-brexit-checks-just-not-at-border-idUSKCN1U41P1

Can't say i agree with Conveny on this.
So chlorinated chicken and GMO produce is ok to be sold in Ireland, so long as it doesn't exit to the mainland?

Hurrache

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It was passed on the provision that it comes into effect in October if there still isn't an assembly.

Exactly, so the DUP can't really do a whole lot about it.

gooch2k9

Hurrache wrote: »

Exactly, so the DUP can't really do a whole lot about it.

Can the government not drop the bill (and obviously have to call an election) if the DUP threaten to take down the government?

As for Dodds describing it as 'driving a cart and horse through devolution', serves the MLAs right for not doing their jobs in Stormont the last few years. Massive own goal from DUP.

Expect this debate to be more nonsense like the earlier ones. Hopefully they get called on their pipedreams tonight.

First Up

BluePlanet wrote:

Can't say i agree with Conveny on this. So chlorinated chicken and GMO produce is ok to be sold in Ireland, so long as it doesn't exit to the mainland?

It may not stop at the border but it will stop well before your plate.

Itssoeasy

Hurrache wrote: »

Exactly, so the DUP can't really do a whole lot about it.

They could get the assembly back up and running.

Sam Russell

L1011 wrote: »

The sockets thing mentioned above is a good point that has come up before. If there's a legislative change needed to allow Schuko and Europlug plugs on devices here we should probably rush it through and let people buy adapters or socket strips with a BS plug and Schuko sockets

There is a high cost to change the sockets and plugs in a house.

I have about 50 sockets and fifty plugs around my house. To change each socket would cost €50 to €100 to do the lot. To change plugs would be from €10 to €20 each. Alternatively, adapters would cost from €10 to €20 each. We would first have to have a standard plug adopted here - how long will that take?

As for cars, most cars bought here will be supplied from European suppliers who already supply LHD and RHD so no problem. Japanese and Korean cars are already supplied from outside the EU. Jaguar/LandRover are UK only suppliers, but not a major supplier. Nissan and Honda are manufacturing in the UK but will not be for long if there is a hard Brexit.

Capt'n Midnight

L1011 wrote: »

The sockets thing mentioned above is a good point that has come up before. If there's a legislative change needed to allow Schuko and Europlug plugs on devices here we should probably rush it through and let people buy adapters or socket strips with a BS plug and Schuko sockets

Complete non-issue. Lots of different standards.

The only universal thing about Schuko is that you'll be able to buy a local adaptor more easily than an Irish one.

In Italy there's the 2 pin Europlug, two different three-pins-in-a-row plugs and Shuko, and the latter is likely to be in the bathroom.


If the EU wanted to be evil then EN50160 would be changed to 220V rather than sort of 230V to accommodate the UK's 240V

Capt'n Midnight

Sam Russell wrote: »

As for cars, most cars bought here will be supplied from European suppliers who already supply LHD and RHD so no problem. Japanese and Korean cars are already supplied from outside the EU. Jaguar/LandRover are UK only suppliers, but not a major supplier. Nissan and Honda are manufacturing in the UK but will not be for long if there is a hard Brexit.

LHD is grandfathered into EU regulations so a complete non-issue.

Stop moaning ffs

They’re pumping the volume on Boris when He speaks. Weird.

Enzokk

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Just on the SSM and Abortion votes and the deadline of October 31st, could Sinn Fein slow roll the talks to delay the reestablishment of the assembly ?

It has been answered already but this will make for fascinating viewing on what the DUP will actually do now. They can stop it, by having Stormont back in session. But to do that you know SF will extract every little thing they can. They can refuse support for the Tories, but then they lose their power. Seems like they have lost their power they have and will either have to cede at Stormont or allow SSM and abortion in Northern Ireland.

Capt'n Midnight

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

They’re pumping the volume on Boris when He speaks. Weird.

Boris is louder in real life too.

He got to give his spiel first too.


Take a drink every time there's a unicorn.

gooch2k9

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Boris is louder in real life too.

He got to give his spiel first too.


Take a drink every time there's a unicorn.

Every time...?? :eek:

I can see why Boris is popular, he even had me smiling with the Christmas even though I thought he was being rude.

They're not being called out on the fact EU has already rejected maxfac etc, on what this "technology" is and so on.

Waste of time.

Stop moaning ffs

Boris just hung himself

Sam Russell

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Complete non-issue. Lots of different standards.

The only universal thing about Schuko is that you'll be able to buy a local adaptor more easily than an Irish one.

In Italy there's the 2 pin Europlug, two different three-pins-in-a-row plugs and Shuko, and the latter is likely to be in the bathroom.


If the EU wanted to be evil then EN50160 would be changed to 220V rather than sort of 230V to accommodate the UK's 240V

The problem is not just plugs.

There is a very different philosophy on wiring.

The Germans have a fuse for every plug (generally 16 amp). The French prefer a two pin no-earth for low loads and a 3 pin earthed plug for heavy loads. However they wire as the Germans,

The UK believe in a ring main with diversification so load is shared on both sides of the ring with the plug carrying a fuse (generally 13 amp for the plug and 30 amp for the ring). This is considered dangerous by both the French and Germans.

We cannot just change our plugs and sockets for continental ones because they are not consistent with our wiring. Only Brazil uses the new EU standard three pin plug.

Stop moaning ffs

This is horribly biased so far in Johnson’s favour. She hasn’t asked Johnson anything like as hard questions Hunts got.

Johnson is now answering a question asked to hunt without hunt answering

weemcd

I'm dipping in and out, but I think Boris is performing awfully here. I doubt it makes a difference as he's nailed on as PM, but it's not a good showing.

gooch2k9

weemcd wrote: »

I'm dipping in and out, but I think Boris is performing awfully here. I doubt it makes a difference as he's nailed on as PM, but it's not a good showing.

There was a moment where he got caught out and simply smiled. He knows it's in the bag already and isn't bothered.

Capt'n Midnight

Boris doesn't want to do a deal with other parties , will deliver Brexit ourselves.

The target audience is paid up Tories, but that sounds like a GE is in the offing and DUP under the next bus.

volchitsa

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Boris just hung himself

Missed the start of the debate (got distracted watching Midsummer) - how please?

Hurrache

Itssoeasy wrote: »

They could get the assembly back up and running.

SF - We'd like the Irish Language, Gay marriage and abortion.
DUP - No!
SF - [to camera] See guys, we're not asking for anything to be different than what the UK think is right, we're the reasonable ones.