Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

KildareP

Is this the throw the DUP under the bus test?

If they do in fact object to aligning themselves completely to the UK on laws re: SSM, abortion, then an NI-only backstop is not actually an issue?

Lackadaisical

Hurrache wrote: »

Which is why I brought up the labelling issue. Despite say sourcing some food stuffs from the EU for their own brand goods, the issue that will trip them is the labelling. It's not just an issue with products made in the UK, it will arise with goods made in the EU due to labelling requirements.
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Tesco will be easily able to separate Tesco Ireland into a stand alone company - there is some crossover into their UK operations, but it's not all that significant. It could mean quite a few changes though.

You'll definitely see a few changes on shelves in Irish supermarkets though and probably a lot of like-for-like replacement with continental products.

I don't think any of the supermarkets are going to be able to just apply a "Brexit Tax" and hike prices to cover any tariffing, as they'll be wiped out by competitors. It's much more aggressive market than it was 20+ years ago, largely due to the arrival of Lidl and Aldi. We're also not all that exposed to UK chains in food / drink, other than Tesco and I wouldn't really call M&S 'main stream'.

You'll have other issues though like for example, it wouldn't be reasonable to continue to supply electrical appliances through UK wholesalers to Ireland. They'll have to come from the continent and that could potentially mean a lot of adaptors or eventually change to Schuko sockets. Very few appliances are actually made in the UK, so it's not that big a deal, but Ireland's a small market and we've a weird plug/socket system. So, that may ultimately have to just make way for a CEE 7 standard - not that big a deal though.

Lots of issues for things like building materials and supplies like that that conform to BS standards which were accepted here. It's less of an issue these days than it might have been decades ago because we've the whole continental market and harmonisation, but there are a few odd ones like plugs, sockets, light switches and the big one : cars which are highly regulated at an EU level.

I'd say tbh retail will be only a minor glitch in comparison to cars.

Other than cars though (the whole right hand drive issue), harmonising with the continent for most things would probably mean access to more products and better prices in the medium term.

Stop moaning ffs

KildareP wrote: »

Is this the throw the DUP under the bus test?

If they do in fact object to aligning themselves completely to the UK on laws re: SSM, abortion, then an NI-only backstop is not actually an issue?

The DUPs British identity is somehow threatened by cows going back and forth across the Irish Sea.

That’s what you’re dealing with here.

It does feel like the first swing at throwing them under the bus though. And that’s great.

Headshot

Guys what channel is the Conservative leaders debate on tonight?

L1011

Iceland are I believe quite a bit larger in market share than M&S in ROI and will be in awful trouble due to nearly solely selling UK products.

Also they are sometimes the only discount supermarket in an area as they often use smaller town centre units that people can walk to and arrange a van to drop the food back - so don't be surprised to hear some hard luck stories.

The sockets thing mentioned above is a good point that has come up before. If there's a legislative change needed to allow Schuko and Europlug plugs on devices here we should probably rush it through and let people buy adapters or socket strips with a BS plug and Schuko sockets

Professor Moriarty

J Mysterio wrote: »

So odd how international diplomacy between the UK and US is now conducted through Twitter.
Jeremy Hunt is now addressing Trump directly on Twitter - saying Ambassador stays if he is PM.

I was just thinking RE: Kuennsberg earlier - she should really be the BBC Social Media expert, she seems to be on Twitter 24/7 - does it leave any time for anything else? She's like a gossip queen, provides very shallow analysis.

He's due to retire in January anyway.

Lackadaisical

L1011 wrote: »

Iceland are I believe quite a bit larger in market share than M&S in ROI and will be in awful trouble due to nearly solely selling UK products.

Also they are sometimes the only discount supermarket in an area as they often use smaller town centre units that people can walk to and arrange a van to drop the food back - so don't be surprised to hear some hard luck stories.

They'll be handy 24 stores for someone else then if they aren't able to figure out how to do business, I guarantee you someone else will. They have about 50+ stores in the EU and EEA (Portugal mostly)

Itssoeasy

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I'm assuming they voted against.

Fair assumption and so did 63 other MPs given the DUP have 10 MPs. I honestly don't know how the DUP can talk about the "precious union" and not have things like SSM and access to abortion in northern ireland. Maybe I've become immune to the utter logic vacuum they operate in.

L1011

Lackadaisical wrote: »

They'll be handy 24 stores for someone else then if they aren't able to figure out how to do business, I guarantee you someone else will. They have about 50+ stores in the EU and EEA (Portugal mostly)

In a few cases their stores were former, well, Iceland stores that stayed empty for years after they pulled out previously! Came back when the economy went down badly presumably seeing a market

Zubeneschamali

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

What's the fact that someone goes to Oxford got to do with anything?

It's not that someone went to Oxford.


It's that everyone who's anyone went to Oxford, and Corbyn didn't go to University at all. So he's unelectable.


And if they say it often enough, even people like you who didn't go to Oxford start believing it.

jm08

I've been keeping an eye on the supermarket shelves, particularly Tesco and a lot of their own brand stuff that was British is now Irish or EU (butter, cheese, yougourt etc). I notice a pizza that I used get from Aldi is now made in Ireland with EU sourced Pork, so they are well ahead of the game in changing their suppliers

Itssoeasy

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It's not that someone went to Oxford.


It's that everyone who's anyone went to Oxford, and Corbyn didn't go to University at all. So he's unelectable.


And if they say it often enough, even people like you who didn't go to Oxford start believing it.

The fact he didn't go to third level is the least of Corbyn's problems given the carry on within the labour party as a whole.

Itssoeasy

jm08 wrote: »

I've been keeping an eye on the supermarket shelves, particularly Tesco and a lot of their own brand stuff that was British is now Irish or EU (butter, cheese, yougourt etc). I notice a pizza that I used get from Aldi is now made in Ireland with EU sourced Pork, so they are well ahead of the game in changing their suppliers

Isn't that just good forward planning though ?

Professor Moriarty

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Fair assumption and so did 63 other MPs given the DUP have 10 MPs. I honestly don't know how the DUP can talk about the "precious union" and not have things like SSM and access to abortion in northern ireland. Maybe I've become immune to the utter logic vacuum they operate in.

8 of the 10 MPs voted against both. Two were tellers and couldn't vote. This is the party of creationism and climate change denial so no surprise.

Itssoeasy

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

8 of the 10 MPs voted against both. Two were tellers and couldn't vote. This is the party of creationism and climate change denial so no surprise.

So with the votes going in favour of the two items. Is it basically **** or get off the pot for the DUP ?

Zubeneschamali

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The fact he didn't go to third level is the least of Corbyn's problems given the carry on within the labour party as a whole.

That's what you think, but much of the carry-on is made up nonsense printed by the papers because Corbyn is the wrong sort of person to be allowed into power, because, among other things, he went to South America to hang out with lefties when he should have been at Oxford.


Blair and the Millibands, see, they were electable Labour chaps.


Guess where they went to University?

Timberrrrrrrr

Headshot wrote: »

Guys what channel is the Conservative leaders debate on tonight?

ITV.

Stop moaning ffs

Headshot wrote: »

Guys what channel is the Conservative leaders debate on tonight?

Only LBC I think. Download the app. Just stream it like radio 1 or today fm

FartyBlartFast

Itssoeasy wrote: »

jm08 wrote: »

I've been keeping an eye on the supermarket shelves, particularly Tesco and a lot of their own brand stuff that was British is now Irish or EU (butter, cheese, yougourt etc). I notice a pizza that I used get from Aldi is now made in Ireland with EU sourced Pork, so they are well ahead of the game in changing their suppliers

Isn't that just good forward planning though ?

We're talking about Brexit here, the very concept of good forward thinking is fecking revolutionary.

Itssoeasy

Just on the SSM and Abortion votes and the deadline of October 31st, could Sinn Fein slow roll the talks to delay the reestablishment of the assembly ?

Professor Moriarty

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It's not that someone went to Oxford.


It's that everyone who's anyone went to Oxford, and Corbyn didn't go to University at all. So he's unelectable.


And if they say it often enough, even people like you who didn't go to Oxford start believing it.

So why did you bring the fact that the Guardian's editor went to Oxford? Isn't she "someone"?

He's unelectable because he dithers, dissembles and lacks charisma. He also ignored his own MPs and his party's membership wishes on Brexit. This is why his approval rating is dire. Not because he didn't go to Oxford and other people did. No point blaming Oxford or The Guardian. If the public think he's useless, and they do, then he's a problem for Labour.

Strazdas

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Only LBC I think. Download the app. Just stream it like radio 1 or today fm

No, it's on ITV1 : it's a TV debate

Itssoeasy

In a surprise to nobody the top five trends on twitter for Ireland are all about the votes that just past in the HOC.

Stop moaning ffs

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Just on the SSM and Abortion votes and the deadline of October 31st, could Sinn Fein slow roll the talks to delay the reestablishment of the assembly ?

If they have any sense SF are going to go to town with this and make it political hay against the DUP. This could be a moment they get to pitch to everyone and seem reasonable. DUP are a laughing stock right now and their inevitable meltdown about Westminster going over their heads is a huge open goal for sf to score in

Professor Moriarty

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

That's what you think, but much of the carry-on is made up nonsense printed by the papers because Corbyn is the wrong sort of person to be allowed into power, because, among other things, he went to South America to hang out with lefties when he should have been at Oxford.


Blair and the Millibands, see, they were electable Labour chaps.


Guess where they went to University?

Gordon Brown.

Stop moaning ffs

Strazdas wrote: »

No, it's on ITV1 : it's a TV debate

My mistake. Thanks.
I don’t watch tv.

LBC have been promoting the fact their airing it all day. I thought it was them alone.

Thanks

Hurrache

J Mysterio wrote: »

So odd how international diplomacy between the UK and US is now conducted through Twitter.
Jeremy Hunt is now addressing Trump directly on Twitter - saying Ambassador stays if he is PM.

I thought he was due to go in January anyway?

Hurrache

Lackadaisical wrote: »

Tesco will be easily able to separate Tesco Ireland into a stand alone company - there is some crossover into their UK operations, but it's not all that significant. It could mean quite a few changes though.
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They already are for such operational purposes, they can source their own goods and implement their own policies. But that's not the issue, it's the simple practicalities.

devnull

Latest tweet from Corbyn suggests he might have climbed back on the fence somewhat
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1148622129266663425

Earlier he was talking about remain, now he's talking about a vote on no deal or a Tory deal.

Did I miss something?

Professor Moriarty

devnull wrote: »

Latest tweet from Corbyn suggests he might have climbed back on the fence somewhat
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1148622129266663425

Earlier he was talking about remain, now he's talking about a vote on no deal or a Tory deal.

Did I miss something?

Jeremy Corbyn obfuscating? Surely some mistake.