Saoradh dissident republican march in Dublin

timthumbni

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's a disgrace that the two governments haven't applied this pressure before now.

They could have convened these talks at any time.

They could but in the end everyone knows if the shinners and the duppers haven’t moved what’s the point.

Unless SF drop their preconditions then I’m not hopeful for any change.

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

They could

They have done it now, what was stopping them doing it long ago? They have options to apply pressure and they refuse to do it until somebody dies.

timthumbni

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They have done it now, what was stopping them doing it long ago? They have options to apply pressure and they refuse to do it until somebody dies.

Somebody didn’t simply die francie. That sounds like an old grandma at 90 who died peacefully in her sleep.

Lyra at 29 was shot by so called Irish republicans in Doire. She was murdered.

Whether this makes any difference to our **** kicker so called politicians is debatable. I would have stopped their wages a long time personally.

They should immediately return. The issues over gay marriage and the language nonsense should then be thrashed out then.

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

Somebody didn’t simply die francie. That sounds like an old grandma at 90 who died peacefully in her sleep.

Lyra at 29 was shot by so called Irish republicans in Doire. She was murdered.

Whether this makes any difference to our **** kicker so called politicians is debatable. I would have stopped their wages a long time personally.

They should immediately return. The issues over gay marriage and the language nonsense should then be thrashed out then.

OK, somebody was murdered and then they decide to act.

Junkyard Tom

timthumbni wrote: »

Unless SF drop their preconditions then I’m not hopeful for any change.

Rights aren't preconditions and SF/SDLP/ALL and I'd say a fair number of UUP would like to see them passed through Stormont.

timthumbni

FrancieBrady wrote: »

OK, somebody was murdered and then they decide to act.

The fact is they have called the parties together again for talks. Has anything changed though? If SF insist on the issues being changed before a return to Stormont and the DUP insist on returning to Stormont and them talking about the issues then where is the change going to come from?

A dose of removing pay is what should happen to start. Due to legal bull**** and technicalities this probably won’t happen. After all SF mps get all the drippings of the fat despite never taking their seats in Westminster. Load of bull****. But the wee man will pick the bill up as usual.

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

The fact is they have called the parties together again for talks. Has anything changed though? If SF insist on the issues being changed before a return to Stormont and the DUP insist on returning to Stormont and them talking about the issues then where is the change going to come from?

A dose of removing pay is what should happen to start. Due to legal bull**** and technicalities this probably won’t happen. After all SF mps get all the drippings of the fat despite never taking their seats in Westminster. Load of bull****. But the wee man will pick the bill up as usual.

The 'issues' should have been dealt with long ago. Hence the breakdown.

timthumbni

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Rights aren't preconditions and SF/SDLP/ALL and I'd say a fair number of UUP would like to see them passed through Stormont.

Then wtf were sf sitting in the assembly in the first place? They didn’t leave because of gay marriage. Sure didn’t they make a dick of themselves at that gay bar in Belfast?

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

Then wtf were sf sitting in the assembly in the first place? They didn’t leave because of gay marriage. Sure didn’t they make a dick of themselves at that gay bar in Belfast?

wtf are the DUP doing in the assembly if they are not prepared to observe the GFA which underpins it?

timthumbni

FrancieBrady wrote: »

wtf are the DUP doing in the assembly if they are not prepared to observe the GFA which underpins it?

Is gay marriage even mentioned in the gfa? I doubt it. And if it is why has it taken so many years to raise itself?

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

Is gay marriage even mentioned in the gfa? I doubt it. And if it is why has it taken so many years to raise itself?

Under the Good Friday Agreement, the Government of the United Kingdom agreed that it would create:

a statutory duty on public authorities in Northern Ireland to carry out all their functions with due regard to the need to promote equality of opportunity in relation to religion and political opinion; gender... and sexual orientation

Can you tell us how the UK Gov have done on this? They have gotten into bed with the DUP to keep them in government but.................

Berserker

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's a disgrace that the two governments haven't applied this pressure before now.

They could have convened these talks at any time.

The two governments can't keep stepping in when things break down in NI. The parties in NI have to start sorting out these problems on their own. The DUP have stated that they are willing to talk. Time for SF to step up to the plate and get back to real business. I don't think they have the ability to do the job, that's why they keep walking away. They don't have the bottle or the brains to be in government in the RoI. We found that out after the last election.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

wtf are the DUP doing in the assembly if they are not prepared to observe the GFA which underpins it?

The DUP does observe the GFA. You need a fully functioning political system before you can look to attack issues like gay marriage. Another reason for SF to get back into government.

citytillidie

timthumbni wrote: »

Is gay marriage even mentioned in the gfa? I doubt it. And if it is why has it taken so many years to raise itself?

Equal rights for all is

FrancieBrady

Berserker wrote: »

The two governments can't keep stepping in when things break down in NI. The parties in NI have to start sorting out these problems on their own. The DUP have stated that they are willing to talk. Time for SF to step up to the plate and get back to real business. I don't think they have the ability to do the job, that's why they keep walking away. They don't have the bottle or the brains to be in government in the RoI. We found that out after the last election.



The DUP does observe the GFA. You need a fully functioning political system before you can look to attack issues like gay marriage. Another reason for SF to get back into government.

SF and the DUP agreed a deal and what happened?

The UK government have failed for 20 years to live up to:

creating:

a statutory duty on public authorities in Northern Ireland to carry out all their functions with due regard to the need to promote equality of opportunity in relation to religion and political opinion; gender... and sexual orientation

Are you living in some alternate reality here?

timthumbni

citytillidie wrote: »

Equal rights for all is

That’s a student rights way of looking at things. Silly. I support gay marriage but it’s got **** all to do with the GFA. The assembly did not collapse because of that.

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

That’s a student rights way of looking at things. Silly. I support gay marriage but it’s got **** all to do with the GFA. The assembly did not collapse because of that.

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Under the Good Friday Agreement, the Government of the United Kingdom agreed that it would create:

a statutory duty on public authorities in Northern Ireland to carry out all their functions with due regard to the need to promote equality of opportunity in relation to religion and political opinion; gender... and sexual orientation

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's a disgrace that the two governments haven't applied this pressure before now.

They could have convened these talks at any time.

It's a bigger disgrace that the two governments are needed to apply the pressure to the squabbling children in the North.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SF and the DUP agreed a deal and what happened?

The UK government have failed for 20 years to live up to:



Are you living in some alternate reality here?

When all is lost, blame the Brits.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

It's a bigger disgrace that the two governments are needed to apply the pressure to the squabbling children in the North.

Those two governments colluded to partition the island, thus causing the issues we still have 100 years later.

Today's governments, after a bloody conflict/war have undertaken, in an international agreement, to oversee the road to peace.
They have waited until somebody died to do something they could have been doing 12 months ago.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

When all is lost, blame the Brits.

Under the Good Friday Agreement, the Government of the United Kingdom agreed that it would create:

a statutory duty on public authorities in Northern Ireland to carry out all their functions with due regard to the need to promote equality of opportunity in relation to religion and political opinion; gender... and sexual orientation

Absolutely blame the British. Can you vindicate them? Have at it.

timthumbni

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They have waited until somebody died.

As said before Lyra didn’t suffer a heart attack or a car accident.

She was shot dead by some blood thirsty Irish republican.

What are the people in doire doing about it exactly?

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

As said before Lyra didn’t suffer a heart attack or a car accident.

She was shot dead by some blood thirsty Irish republican.

What are the people in doire doing about it exactly?

She is dead, Tim. And she shouldn't be.

citytillidie

timthumbni wrote: »

As said before Lyra didn’t suffer a heart attack or a car accident.

She was shot dead by some blood thirsty Irish republican.

What are the people in doire doing about it exactly?

Hopefully the people of Derry who were there last week or know more information have given that information to the cops and they themselves are then not attacked my those bullies. That’s all they can do what else do you expect?

timthumbni

FrancieBrady wrote: »

She is dead, Tim. And she shouldn't be.

Agreed.

timthumbni

citytillidie wrote: »

Hopefully the people of Derry who were there last week or know more information have given that information to the cops and they themselves are then not attacked my those bullies. That’s all they can do what else do you expect?

Fair enough.

Ash.J.Williams

One of the new images looks as if someone tried to stop the killer?

Tomas81

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

One of the new images looks as if someone tried to stop the killer?

That's him being handed the gun is it not.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Those two governments colluded to partition the island, thus causing the issues we still have 100 years later.

WTF?

The Free State colluded now? More New IRA apologist talk.

Partition is a reality because the people VOTED for it.
Never let the facts get in the way of your own vested interest to pass the buck of violence.

Timberrrrrrrr

markodaly wrote: »

WTF?

The Free State colluded now? More New IRA apologist talk.

Partition is a reality because the people VOTED for it.
Never let the facts get in the way of your own vested interest to pass the buck of violence.

You should know by now you cannot have a thread on here that says anything bad about republicans!

The usual defenders swoop in wearing their green capes and shoehorn in any old excuse and will of course ALWAYS blame "de British" no matter what.

markodaly

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You should know by now you cannot have a thread on here that says anything bad about republicans!

The usual defenders swoop in wearing their green capes and shoehorn in any old excuse and will of course ALWAYS blame "de British" no matter what.

Its quite a sad state of affairs when one is using such pointed language such as the word collusion to try and justify their point of view and to try and excuse away violence and the death of a 29-year-old woman.