Woman shot & killed in Derry being treated as a terrorist incident MOD WARNING IN OP

Jimbob1977

Northern Ireland is unrecognisable since the mid-1990s. It has been a remarkable transformation for the better.

However, the hostility is always bubbling under the surface.

The communities don't tend to integrate or mix.... schools, neighbourhoods, sports, socialising.

A bad Brexit or economic collapse would strain the Good Friday Agreement. The dissident groups are small, but carry the threat for significant violence.

RIP Ms. McKee

Beechwoodspark

I hope a lasting tribute to her is established.

Seemed to be on the cusp of a lot of success in her career.

Apparently her mother depended heavily on her as she is disabled.

What kind of reckless idiots fire weapons randomly into a crowd.

Frank Castle

BarryD2 wrote: »

Remind me again - but who walked away from the NI Assembly? I've no love at all for the DUP but one is as bad as the other. At least that's the way most citizens of this Republic would view it, as far as I hear & see.

Ignorance is bliss. Its one thing to walk away from a failed assembly in order to rebuild it. Its another to refuse to work together to bring one back. And why would the DUP want to bring one back when they have the tories on their side?

I'm a unionist, the DUP do not represent us and are a stain on NI.
SF are not any better, but until voting attitudes change, we are stuck with those parties

markodaly

When will we ever get the gun out of Irish politics?

RIP, what a waste of a life.

citytillidie

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Semi-regular i guess,
Young "republicans"

There was a PSNI search carried out on a Saoradh members house ahead of their annual easter parade (it's a hate parade, the type that would be manned by armed masked men) Saoradh did not think these raids were warranted as they would not have guns for the police to find... in order to express their distaste at this - they brought out their guns.

And they decided to shoot indiscriminately up a road towards some police vehicles, where they shot and murdered an innocent journalist.


There is no place for these horrible backward bastards in society, and if they think this is how they will achieve a united ireland they have another fucking thing coming. and this is coming from someone with strong nationalistic tendencies.


RIP Lyra McKee

Stop all parades is the only thing to do

Erik Shun

Frank Castle wrote: »

The rioters were nothing more than a bunch of kids. Kids will be kids, and worse when egged on in a certain direction. Its the people directing these children that are the problem

"Kids will be kids"

Perhaps the most moronic thing I've read in this thread...and that's saying something

A Dub in Glasgo

Frank Castle wrote: »

The rioters were nothing more than a bunch of kids. Kids will be kids, and worse when egged on in a certain direction. Its the people directing these children that are the problem

Those kids murdered a young journalist

markodaly

Frank Castle wrote: »

I'm a unionist, the DUP do not represent us and are a stain on NI.
SF are not any better, but until voting attitudes change, we are stuck with those parties

I somewhat agree, and it is up to the people of NI to stop voting for the extremes, that are the DUP and SF.

I dearly hope the next few elections both sides get canning, so we can actually see some moderate politics come out of the North. Perhaps a less dogmatic voice from the Unionist side and an actual voice from the Nationalist side who will stand up in Westminister and represent their peoples' interests.

The_Fitz

An absolute tragedy.

Can you imagine being that girls family. Woke up to the news heartbroken.

The only hope we have is that this will be the event that will turn people away from armed republicanism. There is no appetite to return to where we were. This is not the 70's or 80's where there was widespread support. This is 2019. It doesn't matter if you disagree with mainstream republicanism, group up, denounce violence, stand for election on your non violent principles.

A family will be burying their daughter soon, and certainly not for the advancement of Irish freedom, but for nothing.

Move on and embrace the ballot box.

Disgusted.

Junkyard Tom

BarryD2 wrote: »

Remind me again - but who walked away from the NI Assembly? I've no love at all for the DUP but one is as bad as the other. At least that's the way most citizens of this Republic would view it, as far as I hear & see.

The place was made completely ungovernable by the DUP. When someone sets fire to a house you don't stay in and say 'let's try to make this work'. You tell the arsonist to cop the **** on and stop setting fire to things.

janfebmar

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

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What kind of reckless idiots fire weapons randomly into a crowd.

They fired them towards police lines during the rioting. There are more than a few posters on boards who think it was always great to fire at police. The people who fired towards police lines last night were brainwashed in to thinking those who did so 25, 30.35 , 40 years ago were correct in doing the same thing.

BorneTobyWilde

What exactly happened?

Anteayer

I know this might sound depressing but I've actually kinda given up on Northern Ireland. It's the same cycle over and over and over and over. You find a middle ground and give it a few years and it's back to tribalism.

Had the UK government had any sense in recent years, they'd have just made recognition of Irish language a UK level policy and the same with LGBT+ rights and abortion access although, no doubt the DUP would have found some other minutiae to be outraged at.

What May did by going into government with the DUP is just beyond words. Even from a European Union point of view, how does the UK government look going into negotiations, backed up by an extreme right party with those kinds of policies?

There's only so much can be explained by ignorance.

BorneTobyWilde

Shooting indiscriminately at the cops from distance, and a bullet hit her? Kids with guns throwing petrol bombs and firing bullets.
Terrorists?> Complete brain dead morons more like it.
It's being portrayed as an assassination of a journalist, but it was just some morons randomly firing for the joy of the sound it makes. SAD,but that's exactly what happened. I'm sure the person responsible will get a slap on the wrist and will face no real punishment.

Lisha

Frank Castle wrote: »

The rioters were nothing more than a bunch of kids. Kids will be kids, and worse when egged on in a certain direction. Its the people directing these children that are the problem

It seriously frightens me to see the increase in support SF now have. It’s growing daily, fed by SF are the only ones for the common man and feicing the Gubberment are stupid... drives me mad to see very young people liking this stupid ****e on fb. This is what will cause a full on return to violence. These immature bloody kids have no idea of the horrors of the past. To think they are causing it to start up again is so heartbreaking.

Mollyb60

Unfortunately people who live in NI don't have the luxury of just giving up on peace. We have to hope and strive to make things better. No matter how long it takes.

citytillidie

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

What exactly happened?

Cops went to search houses for guns and what not. Crowd gathered burned our to highjacked cars and threw petrol bombs.

People stood with the cops to report what was happening. So toerag got a gun and fired it at a armoured cop jeep with cops inside.

Firing the gun a bullet hit a journalist reporting on what is going on

zapitastas

markodaly wrote: »

I somewhat agree, and it is up to the people of NI to stop voting for the extremes, that are the DUP and SF.

I dearly hope the next few elections both sides get canning, so we can actually see some moderate politics come out of the North. Perhaps a less dogmatic voice from the Unionist side and an actual voice from the Nationalist side who will stand up in Westminister and represent their peoples' interests.

If there is one thing we can say for certain it is that Westminster certainly couldn't care less about the nationalists in the North. Send seven nationalist MPs into Westminster to do what?

Anteayer

zapitastas wrote: »

If there is one thing we can say for certain it is that Westminster certainly couldn't care less about the nationalists in the North. Send seven nationalist MPs into Westminster to do what?

Some in Westminster do care. It's currently just going through its own parallel problems with identity politics and political tribalism.

It's sad to see just how screwed up British politics has become We'd an actual political killing with the shooting of a sitting MP, Jo Cox which you could draw a line directly to stirring up hate politics. That was not crossfire or chaos, she was deliberately targeted and murdered.

citytillidie

Lisha wrote: »

It seriously frightens me to see the increase in support SF now have. It’s growing daily, fed by SF are the only ones for the common man and feicing the Gubberment are stupid... drives me mad to see very young people liking this stupid ****e on fb. This is what will cause a full on return to violence. These immature bloody kids have no idea of the horrors of the past. To think they are causing it to start up again is so heartbreaking.

Last night had nothing to do with SF it's another splinter group who think SF have sold them down a river

Tacitus Kilgore

Hoboo wrote: »

Hate parade? Nothing but love at any Easter parade I've been at. Maybe you should come and see.

I won't, as I will not support sectarianism, whether it's veiled as remembrance or not.

The_Fitz

Lisha wrote: »

It seriously frightens me to see the increase in support SF now have. It’s growing daily, fed by SF are the only ones for the common man and feicing the Gubberment are stupid... drives me mad to see very young people liking this stupid ****e on fb. This is what will cause a full on return to violence. These immature bloody kids have no idea of the horrors of the past. To think they are causing it to start up again is so heartbreaking.

Young people voting SF are causing trouble to start up again???

I'm not a SF fanboy but the morons firing weapons and planting pipe bombs would most definitely turn these weapons on SF.

Think a bit before you attack the wrong people.

The main thing is to ensure something like this doesn't happen again. There should be no weapons on the street, and that applies to both sides.

Anteayer

It’s very hard to unwind that culture of violence though. You can see it keeps re-emerging, even when the mainstream political side has moved on, there’s always another layer left behind.

I know there are various programmes to try and wind it down but you’d have to wonder if the momentum has been lost?

lawred2

Lisha wrote: »

It seriously frightens me to see the increase in support SF now have. It’s growing daily, fed by SF are the only ones for the common man and feicing the Gubberment are stupid... drives me mad to see very young people liking this stupid ****e on fb. This is what will cause a full on return to violence. These immature bloody kids have no idea of the horrors of the past. To think they are causing it to start up again is so heartbreaking.

What has this got to do with SF?

Maybe get down off that hobby horse and knock off the grandstanding

The_Fitz

Anteayer wrote: »

I know this might sound depressing but I've actually kinda given up on Northern Ireland. It's the same cycle over and over and over and over. You find a middle ground and give it a few years and it's back to tribalism.

Had the UK government had any sense in recent years, they'd have just made recognition of Irish language a UK level policy and the same with LGBT+ rights and abortion access although, no doubt the DUP would have found some other minutiae to be outraged at.

What May did by going into government with the DUP is just beyond words. Even from a European Union point of view, how does the UK government look going into negotiations, backed up by an extreme right party with those kinds of policies?

There's only so much can be explained by ignorance.

The Irish and British in the north will always have some sort of tribalism brewing. That's what happens when you have two distinct nationalities sharing the same plot of land.

Political aspirations are at the forefront of most people's minds, whether they admit it or not.

The GFA did a lot to actually reduce these tensions by ensuring the British continued their control for a few decades and by giving the Irish hope that one day they would be able to rejoin the rest of Ireland.

And if you believe the polls, news stories, politicians etc then apparently the latter is closer than it ever has been. There's when the bitterness rears its ugly head again. How could it not? One side is petrified of losing what they have.

I wouldn't give up on the north, I would be looking at how both sides can be content, or as content as can be.

markodaly

zapitastas wrote: »

If there is one thing we can say for certain it is that Westminster certainly couldn't care less about the nationalists in the North. Send seven nationalist MPs into Westminster to do what?

Thats not true at all. 7 nationalists MP's in Westminister could actually do alot. We see the power the DUP wield at the moment with 10 MP's.

A vote for SF in any Westminister election is a wasted vote. You may as well just not vote at all.

lawred2

markodaly wrote: »

Thats not true at all. 7 nationalists MP's in Westminister could actually do alot. We see the power the DUP wield at the moment with 10 MP's.

A vote for SF in any Westminister election is a wasted vote. You may as well just not vote at all.

Well sure given that you've been shut down so repeatedly on this in the Brexit thread you're right to give it another go elsewhere.

Mollyb60

markodaly wrote: »

Thats not true at all. 7 nationalists MP's in Westminister could actually do alot. We see the power the DUP wield at the moment with 10 MP's.

A vote for SF in any Westminister election is a wasted vote. You may as well just not vote at all.

What could they realistically do though? No British party would ever dream of forming a government with SF propping them up in the same manner as the Tories/DUP.

And SF run their campaigns on the promise that they won't take their seats in Westminster. So the people who still vote for them accept that fact and are happy to give them the mandate to represent them all the same. SF are a legitimate choice for many in NI who won't vote for SDLP or other parties who identify as nationalist. People aren't blindly voting for them because their da voted for them.

Patrick2010

lawred2 wrote: »

What has this got to do with SF?

Maybe get down off that hobby horse and knock off the grandstanding

What has SF got to do with the new Ira?, the political wing of thee Ira?
Nothing will change up north, most people are decent,the problem is the extremists on both sides are fanatics and will never change.

citytillidie

Patrick2010 wrote: »

What has SF got to do with the new Ira?, the political wing of thee Ira?
Nothing will change up north, most people are decent,the problem is the extremists on both sides are fanatics and will never change.

Again not SF it is another splinter group who are Saoradh