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Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

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    #692
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,457 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I see Macron has vowed to rebuild within 5 years.

    https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/4sqwB

    French President Emmanuel Macron has vowed to rebuild the Notre Dame cathedral within five years after it was ravaged by fire. 

    In an address to the nation, President Macron said: "We have so much to rebuild. Yes we will rebuild the cathedral and we will make it more beautiful and I want that to be done in five years.


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    #693
    4ensic15
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Would you say the same if the G.P.O or the 4 courts burned down tomorrow?

    They have already burned down.


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    #694
    4ensic15
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    St mel's Cathedral in Longford burned down and there was no great outpouring of grief in ireland or anywhere else. A burned cathedral is just that, a burned cathedral.


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    #695
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    They have already burned down.

    What part of tomorrow confused you? :rolleyes:


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    #696
    buried
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    St mel's Cathedral in Longford burned down and there was no great outpouring of grief in ireland or anywhere else. A burned cathedral is just that, a burned cathedral.

    Wouldn't say that now 4, it was headline news here Christmas day. It was grim as f**k to me. Fantastic building too.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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    #697
    TitianGerm
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    St mel's Cathedral in Longford burned down and there was no great outpouring of grief in ireland or anywhere else. A burned cathedral is just that, a burned cathedral.

    The Catholic Church has more than enough money to fully fund a rebuild of any church in the world.

    Edit: quoted the wrong post.


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    #698
    4ensic15
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    What part of tomorrow confused you? :rolleyes:

    What part of yesterday were you not following. The GPO was burned to bits in 1916, the Four Courts in 1922.


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    #699
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    The Catholic Church has more than enough money to fully fund a rebuild of any church in the world.

    Well they don’t have to, what with the billionaires.

    Anyway like a lot of churches over there, the French State owns the cathedral.


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    #700
    quodec
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    St mel's Cathedral in Longford burned down and there was no great outpouring of grief in ireland or anywhere else. A burned cathedral is just that, a burned cathedral.

    They've done a hell of a job on the rebuild though! The before and after photos of St Mels are amazing. I'd say some of the specialists who helped there could well be required in Paris.


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    #701
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,457 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    4ensic15 wrote: »
    What part of yesterday were you not following. The GPO was burned to bits in 1916, the Four Courts in 1922.

    That wasn't the question i asked though was it?


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    #702
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    4ensic15 wrote: »
    What part of yesterday were you not following. The GPO was burned to bits in 1916, the Four Courts in 1922.

    So your point here is that stuff burns down sometimes. Good man.

    It’s not an argument that makes any sense but your grammar was ok.


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    #703
    buried
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    quodec wrote: »
    They've done a hell of a job on the rebuild though! The before and after photos of St Mels are amazing. I'd say some of the specialists who helped there could well be required in Paris.

    I know some of the young lads who did the re-build on St.Mels. They got work through that disaster at a time no major stone work was being done whatsoever in this country and now those lads love the craft because of it. They should be signed up for it. They did fantastic work.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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    #704
    4ensic15
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    That wasn't the question i asked though was it?

    The two buildings are already rebuilt from ruins. Another burning is not going to be any worse than before. Many fine buildings were deliberately destroyed and many others neglected to the point of ruin. Just because some people saw the building in a movie they are shedding crocodile tears.


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    #705
    MrMusician18
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    St mel's Cathedral in Longford burned down and there was no great outpouring of grief in ireland or anywhere else. A burned cathedral is just that, a burned cathedral.

    You're obviously not from Longford. From people I know from the town, there was a real sadness when their cathedral burned down.


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    #706
    4ensic15
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    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    You're obviously not from Longford. From people I know from the town, there was a real sadness when their cathedral burned down.

    Locals will be sad if any building burns.


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    #707
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    4ensic15 wrote: »
    Locals will be sad if any building burns.

    You said there was no outpouring of grief. You were wrong, there was.


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    #708
    kateee47298
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    St mel's Cathedral in Longford burned down and there was no great outpouring of grief in ireland or anywhere else. A burned cathedral is just that, a burned cathedral.

    Fair but Notre Dame is one of the most famous buildings in Paris, it means a lot to the French. I don't think it's quite the same as a cathedral in Longford...


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    #709
    4ensic15
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    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    You said there was no outpouring of grief. You were wrong, there was.

    Sadness is not an outpouring of grief.


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    #710
    MadYaker
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    It seems most of the stain glass was destroyed but it should be fully repairable. Going to take years though and a lot of $$$


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    #711
    B0jangles
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I see Macron has vowed to rebuild within 5 years.

    https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/4sqwB


    I heard that and thought that has to be a mistranslation, but no, apparently he really thinks it can be done and done well in 5 years.

    That's sounds insane to me. I would have estimated that it'd take 5 years just to plan the project - to survey the rest of the building for any hidden damage, to identify and source the various materials and experts needed for each element that's been lost.

    Hopefully the promise will be put down as a heat of the moment thing and he will let it slide. I'd hate for this to turn into a massive rush job just to satisfy a politician's ego and desire to still be in power for the ribbon-cutting ceremony :(


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    #712
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    The two buildings are already rebuilt from ruins. Another burning is not going to be any worse than before. Many fine buildings were deliberately destroyed and many others neglected to the point of ruin. Just because some people saw the building in a movie they are shedding crocodile tears.


    The point i am making (and seems to have gone over your head) is thatbif they burned down tomorrow they woukd be rebuilt!

    Some people just have no interest or love of history i suppose.


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    #713
    vargoo
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    Why is this going to cost billions to rebuild?

    Longford was 30 million.


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    #714
    vargoo
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    B0jangles wrote: »

    That's sounds insane to me. I would have estimated that it'd take 5 years just to plan the project - to survey the rest of the building for any hidden damage, to identify and source the various materials and experts needed for each element that's been lost.

    (

    The one in longford was 5 years.


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    #715
    Edgware
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    vargoo wrote: »
    The one in longford was 5 years.
    That was because they had to keep replacing the copper and lead piping


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    #716
    Junkyard Tom
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    A few questions for those in the know:

    1. Will the new roof beams be made of wood?
    2. Maybe steel clad in wood?
    3. Will they install a sprinkler system?


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    #717
    batgoat
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    vargoo wrote: »
    Why is this going to cost billions to rebuild?

    Longford was 30 million.

    If they want to replicate it precisely, it will cost billions. Longford Cathedral is tiny in contrast to it and far less complex a structure. So it's hardly comparing like with like.


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    #718
    4ensic15
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    The point i am making (and seems to have gone over your head) is thatbif they burned down tomorrow they woukd be rebuilt!

    Some people just have no interest or love of history i suppose.

    Some people don't know much history it seems. They burned before and were not re-instated. New buildings went up in place of what was there before, with the exception of the facades. New wine in old bottles.


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    #719
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    4ensic15 wrote: »
    Some people don't know much history it seems. They burned before and were not re-instated. New buildings went up in place of what was there before, with the exception of the facades. New wine in old bottles.

    What burned and wasn’t reinstated? What new buildings went up?

    Every building that survives the guts of a thousands years will have some restoration work done.


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    #720
    jimbobaloobob
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    €600,000,000 already pledged. It sits uncomfortable with me how quick big organisations are to pledge to restore a building when you think of some of the tragedies and atrocities like Darfur, Aleppo, Ethiopia, Haiti to name just four that we hear all so regular in the news after their disasters.


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    #721
    iamwhoiam
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    jimbobaloobob wrote: »
    €600,000,000 already pledged. It sits uncomfortable with me how quick big organisations are to pledge to restore a building when you think of some of the tragedies and atrocities like Darfur, Aleppo, Ethiopia, Haiti to name just four that we hear all so regular in the news after their disasters.

    Charlie Hebdo
    Bataclan
    Nice
    I am sure people needed huge support after these atrocities too


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