Conor McGregor thread (MMA Talk Only - Read 1st Post Before Posting)

ASOT

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Kavanagh is focusing all his attention on Conor for his next fight. No time for the wannabe Conor

James to be fair to him is doing something Conor should have done years ago, went to a gym in America. He's been over with Glory MMA for the last few months.

Mr. Karate

ASOT wrote: »

James to be fair to him is doing something Conor should have done years ago, went to a gym in America. He's been over with Glory MMA for the last few months.

Not bashing him for training abroad. Its good for a fighter to get a different perspective that their regular coaches might miss.

Its his wannabe Conor act that I can't stand. Its not even the funny and witty Conor that he imitates. Its the cringe inducing caricature that Conor has turned into that he's imitating.

Mr. Karate

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Not bashing him for training abroad. Its good for a fighter to get a different perspective that their regular coaches might miss.

Its his wannabe Conor act that I can't stand. Its not even the funny and witty Conor that he imitates. Its the cringe inducing caricature that Conor has turned into that he's imitating.

It's hard to watch, to be fair.

Mellor

MrStuffins wrote: »

All good if you're fighting at a local level.

But if you're fighting at a world level, you need world level coaching. Which he isn't getting

That's absolutely true. Conor should have broadened his coaching. He didn't need to leave SBG, but could have done short term camps overseas.
I think he (and to a degree JK also) was a victim of his success. He dethroned the king, became world champion, and was undefeated at 145lb - essentially by doing his own thing.
His way worked. Why wouldn't he have trusted it.


It's also a bit ridiculous to judge a small team in Dublin for not having the success of a mega gym in Albuquerque or Florida. We're a blip on a world scale lads.
Plus many of the top fighters are top gyms were developed at local gyms and moved.

MrStuffins

Mellor wrote: »

Plus many of the top fighters are top gyms were developed at local gyms and moved.

This is the key. There is so much to indicate that Conor would benefit massively by improving his training. Also, by removing himself from the Yes-Men surrounding him.

I mean, look no further than Poirier. He used to be with Tim Creduer at his gym. His loss to Korean Zombie prompted him to go to ATT. Many great fighters before him have done this. Look what he's done since. Would he have been as successful anyway? Probably not. Successful, sure. But AS successful?


Conor won't do this though. He has talked so much sh*t in the past about loyalty and about fighters switching gyms..... I'm not sure his ego would allow it

ElBastardo1

MrStuffins wrote: »

This is the key. There is so much to indicate that Conor would benefit massively by improving his training. Also, by removing himself from the Yes-Men surrounding him.

I mean, look no further than Poirier. He used to be with Tim Creduer at his gym. His loss to Korean Zombie prompted him to go to ATT. Many great fighters before him have done this. Look what he's done since. Would he have been as successful anyway? Probably not. Successful, sure. But AS successful?


Conor won't do this though. He has talked so much sh*t in the past about loyalty and about fighters switching gyms..... I'm not sure his ego would allow it

It will when it's too late, he'll move to some big gym and he'll be 1/2 the fighter he was.

I genuinely don't believe he's 100% fit, I know his knee has never been right after the ACL tore. Knee injuries are dreadful, they never fully repair to the before injury level. You seen in the film he did the panic when he heard a pop in it, and this was when he was training for Mendez. You can never fully trust it, it's maybe why he moved to a more boxing type game.

yourdeadwright

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

It will when it's too late, he'll move to some big gym and he'll be 1/2 the fighter he was.

I genuinely don't believe he's 100% fit, I know his knee has never been right after the ACL tore. Knee injuries are dreadful, they never fully repair to the before injury level. You seen in the film he did the panic when he heard a pop in it, and this was when he was training for Mendez. You can never fully trust it, it's maybe why he moved to a more boxing type game.

Excuses,

He tore his ACL during Holloway , all his best wins came after that ?


If he is not 100% fit that is his own fault and part of being a great fighter , Fitness is the exact same as any other part of the game something you have to work on to have and if you don't have it its your own fault ,

ElBastardo1

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Excuses,

He tore his ACL during Holloway , all his best wins came after that ?


If he is not 100% fit that is his own fault and part of being a great fighter , Fitness is the exact same as any other part of the game something you have to work on to have and if you don't have it its your own fault ,

Without a doubt, he's main issue was he stopped training at the level he did at one stage. I know his best wins came after the Holloway injury, but knee injuries get worse, not better. He arsed about and neglected his training and did everything he said he wouldn't. all his own fault.

GiftofGab

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

It will when it's too late, he'll move to some big gym and he'll be 1/2 the fighter he was.

I genuinely don't believe he's 100% fit, I know his knee has never been right after the ACL tore. Knee injuries are dreadful, they never fully repair to the before injury level. You seen in the film he did the panic when he heard a pop in it, and this was when he was training for Mendez. You can never fully trust it, it's maybe why he moved to a more boxing type game.

Very much doubt that any top level fighter is 100% fit tbh. They all accumulated some damage and are carrying some sort of injury.

ElBastardo1

GiftofGab wrote: »

Very much doubt that any top level fighter is 100% fit tbh. They all accumulated some damage and are carrying some sort of injury.

Yeah true, especially in MMA as the damage is exponential compared to most other sports. Most fighters might not be 100% but carrying a debilitating injury like Mcg is changes everything. Knee injuries stop careers, same with hip injuries.

yourdeadwright

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

Yeah true, especially in MMA as the damage is exponential compared to most other sports. Most fighters might not be 100% but carrying a debilitating injury like Mcg is changes everything. Knee injuries stop careers, same with hip injuries.

You've literally guessed that his knew is bad and are running with it.,


He had the best guys in the world work on it ,Where have you got that it still effects him from ?


His training clips he posts have show nothing to suggest its seriously debilitating not even in the slightest ?

akelly02

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

Without a doubt, he's main issue was he stopped training at the level he did at one stage. I know his best wins came after the Holloway injury, but knee injuries get worse, not better. He arsed about and neglected his training and did everything he said he wouldn't. all his own fault.

he was pretty free flowing against porier the first time aswell.

but he has left that side of his game behind.

its a pity , it was brilliant to watch him so good with his kicks and movment .

ElBastardo1

yourdeadwright wrote: »

You've literally guessed that his knew is bad and are running with it.,


He had the best guys in the world work on it ,Where have you got that it still effects him from ?


His training clips he posts have show nothing to suggest its seriously debilitating not even in the slightest ?

I got a bit of inside information, he's been in a certain Sports clinic a good few times over the past few years seeing a surgeon and one time apparently went to the US to see a Orthopedic surgeon on his knee issues. It's meant to be the reason he trains on the bike more and swims as he can't do the miles jogging.
Might be a false rumor, but I've heard it from 2 sources.

MrStuffins

Might wanna get his calf checked out as well!

Mellor

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

I got a bit of inside information, he's been in a certain Sports clinic a good few times over the past few years seeing a surgeon and one time apparently went to the US to see a Orthopedic surgeon on his knee issues. It's meant to be the reason he trains on the bike more and swims as he can't do the miles jogging.
Might be a false rumor, but I've heard it from 2 sources.

He had surgery in the US after the Holloway fight. Same surgeon as GSP iirc. That's not really a secret.

Knees are a pain, and very slow to heel, sometimes they never do fully. But I very much doubt it's debilitated him. As mentioned above; His best performances, almost his entire UFC career came post ACL pop.

yourdeadwright

I wonder how would Conor have been remember if he stuck around at Feather weight & retired young like Khabib did at lightweight ?

ElBastardo1

Mellor wrote: »

He had surgery in the US after the Holloway fight. Same surgeon as GSP iirc. That's not really a secret.

Knees are a pain, and very slow to heel, sometimes they never do fully. But I very much doubt it's debilitated him. As mentioned above; His best performances, almost his entire UFC career came post ACL pop.

This was maybe 18 months ago, he flew out to see a specialist. This has never been mentioned, and I have it on good authority he has been attending an Injury clinic here in Dublin regularly.

I know his best performances have came after the ACL, but the knee can deteriorate. His knee has never been the same again, and I bet it's always on his mind no matter what he does. I have had a knee issue going on for 11 years now, there isn't a day that goes by that it doesn't remind me of it either.

Ush1

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I wonder how would Conor have been remember if he stuck around at Feather weight & retired young like Khabib did at lightweight ?

Likely a lot more decorated and respected as a fighter, but not as wealthy.

yourdeadwright

Ush1 wrote: »

Likely a lot more decorated and respected as a fighter, but not as wealthy.

Would you be more decorated being a world champion at one division with loads of title defences or a world champion at two weight division's ?

Mellor

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I wonder how would Conor have been remember if he stuck around at Feather weight & retired young like Khabib did at lightweight ?

If he fought and beat Max again, Ortega, and rematched Aldo. Exiting the UFC undefeated. He’d have been revered in Khabib like fashion.

ElBastardo1 wrote: »

This was maybe 18 months ago, he flew out to see a specialist. This has never been mentioned, and I have it on good authority he has been attending an Injury clinic here in Dublin regularly.

I know his best performances have came after the ACL, but the knee can deteriorate. His knee has never been the same again, and I bet it's always on his mind no matter what he does. I have had a knee issue going on for 11 years now, there isn't a day that goes by that it doesn't remind me of it either.

Athletes going to specialists and physios is pretty standard. I’m not saying it’s fine, I’m just saying it doesn’t mean it’s bolloxed either.

When you say it hasn’t been the same again. The same as what?

And I’m well aware they knee injuries can ruin a career. But there’s also been elite athletes that make full recoveries. The level of care that they get is likely off the charts compared you your experience 11 years ago.

ElBastardo1

Mellor wrote: »

If he fought and beat Max again, Ortega, and rematched Aldo. Exiting the UFC undefeated. He’d have been revered in Khabib like fashion.




Athletes going to specialists and physios is pretty standard. I’m not saying it’s fine, I’m just saying it doesn’t mean it’s bolloxed either.

When you say it hasn’t been the same again. The same as what?

And I’m well aware they knee injuries can ruin a career. But there’s also been elite athletes that make full recoveries. The level of care that they get is likely off the charts compared you your experience 11 years ago.

Without a doubt, the level of care would be in a different league. Who knows, I'm only putting 2+2 together and coming up with 5. His main issues is over the past few years he definitely was living the party life and that takes it toll and it's very hard to get back to the top after a few years of abuse.

xtal191

Mellor wrote: »

If he fought and beat Max again, Ortega, and rematched Aldo. Exiting the UFC undefeated. He’d have been revered in Khabib like fashion.

100% this, people would be talking about him as the GOAT and easily the best featherweight of all time.

FileNotFound

xtal191 wrote: »

100% this, people would be talking about him as the GOAT and easily the best featherweight of all time.

In fairness in a division with smaller men he was GOAT, Khabib never made an attempt to go up a division.

Funny, even if he had just gone back down after getting the second title and never bothered defending it?

As it stands he was still massive in the sport, his loud brash approach love or hate it, helped increase ufc pay days for all the athletes and he attracted many new fans to it.

yourdeadwright

FileNotFound wrote: »

In fairness in a division with smaller men he was GOAT, Khabib never made an attempt to go up a division.

Funny, even if he had just gone back down after getting the second title and never bothered defending it?

As it stands he was still massive in the sport, his loud brash approach love or hate it, helped increase ufc pay days for all the athletes and he attracted many new fans to it.

Really bugs ne when you see Khabib on the p4p list when he had absolutely no desire to move up because he knew WW was stacked with big strong wrestlers ,


A much as Connor is an absolute **** he is not shy of shooting at greatness, Two weight world champion and KOs at 3 weight classes,


So ye lads who have big wins at multiple weight not on P4P list but a lad who was afraid to move up is right at the top, Makes no sense at all ,

MrStuffins

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Really bugs ne when you see Khabib on the p4p list when he had absolutely no desire to move up because he knew WW was stacked with big strong wrestlers

Being P4P #1 doesn't necessitate moving up a division to put yourself at a size disadvantage.

Anyone who uses Khabib not moving to WW as a knock on him is just doing the same as anyone who knocks Conor for not defending his belts. They're just looking for excuses to criticise.

So ye lads who have big wins at multiple weight not on P4P list but a lad who was afraid to move up is right at the top, Makes no sense at all ,

See what I mean? This part of the post is just so dumb! There's no way you actually believe this.

sonofenoch

xtal191 wrote: »

100% this, people would be talking about him as the GOAT and easily the best featherweight of all time.

No he'd have been accused of not having the bottle to move up to his natural weight and stuck to beating up midgets


An accusation you rarely hear get thrown at Khabib

JJayoo

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Really bugs ne when you see Khabib on the p4p list when he had absolutely no desire to move up because he knew WW was stacked with big strong wrestlers ,


A much as Connor is an absolute **** he is not shy of shooting at greatness, Two weight world champion and KOs at 3 weight classes,


So ye lads who have big wins at multiple weight not on P4P list but a lad who was afraid to move up is right at the top, Makes no sense at all ,

So you would like khabib more if he ragdolled nate Diaz and cowboy....lol can you imagine him vs Nate

JJayoo

JJayoo wrote: »

So you would like khabib more if he ragdolled nate Diaz and cowboy....lol can you imagine him vs Nate

Diaz and Cowboy are the best examples of "big strong wrestlers" at WW?

eagle eye

Deleted User wrote:

Diaz and Cowboy are the best examples of "big strong wrestlers" at WW?

Are you forgetting that he moved up from featherweight to lightweight and won the belt.
That'd be similar to Khabib moving up from lightweight to welterweight.
Conor was huge at featherweight just as Khabib was huge at lightweight.

Mellor

MrStuffins wrote: »

Being P4P #1 doesn't necessitate moving up a division to put yourself at a size disadvantage.

Of course it doesn't.
Khabib is entitled to give himself every advantage and protect that undefeated record.
At the same time, fans are entitle to wish for superfights and what-ifs. Khabib was absolutely good enough to be a top WW. Whether he could be champion is a huge question mark. Personally I'd like to have seen it.

JJayoo wrote: »

So you would like khabib more if he ragdolled nate Diaz and cowboy....lol can you imagine him vs Nate

It's more about Colby and Usman.

eagle eye wrote: »

Are you forgetting that he moved up from featherweight to lightweight and won the belt.
That'd be similar to Khabib moving up from lightweight to welterweight.
Conor was huge at featherweight just as Khabib was huge at lightweight.

He's talking about Khabib, not Conor