Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

BloodyBill

aloooof wrote: »

Billy Holland is a Munster stalwart but only has 1 Ireland cap. POM is a former Lions captain, and has 70+ Ireland caps and is ~4 years younger.

I'm a massive Billy Holland fan, but do you really think that's a reasonable comparison?

Yes I think it's a reasonable and fair comparison. O Mahoney has lived on doing one steal at the lineout per game for many a year. Holland has lived on the 'work you don't see' mantra..so similar type characters with Billy also hogging a squad place for about 3 years longer than he should have.. Sound men both and well liked. How Peter was made Lions captain ,nobody knows. He didn't make it to the third test ..he should never have been in the team. Im saying all this as a Munster man and Iv seen him have the odd good game. But he's aged badly..he's got zero pace,zero power. The questions have to be asked .. I dont buy the deficit of leadership angle either. Ireland and Munster have plenty of leaders . All I'm seeing is an average backrow keeping outstanding young backrows plugged in the pipeline.

sydthebeat

The hyperbole King appears to have a pretender to the throne

yerrahbah

BloodyBill wrote: »

Yes I think it's a reasonable and fair comparison. O Mahoney has lived on doing one steal at the lineout per game for many a year. Holland has lived on the 'work you don't see' mantra..so similar type characters with Billy also hogging a squad place for about 3 years longer than he should have.. Sound men both and well liked. How Peter was made Lions captain ,nobody knows. He didn't make it to the third test ..he should never have been in the team. Im saying all this as a Munster man and Iv seen him have the odd good game. But he's aged badly..he's got zero pace,zero power. The questions have to be asked .. I dont buy the deficit of leadership angle either. Ireland and Munster have plenty of leaders . All I'm seeing is an average backrow keeping outstanding young backrows plugged in the pipeline.

Warren Gatland knows

yerrahbah

BloodyBill wrote: »

Yes I think it's a reasonable and fair comparison. O Mahoney has lived on doing one steal at the lineout per game for many a year. Holland has lived on the 'work you don't see' mantra..so similar type characters with Billy also hogging a squad place for about 3 years longer than he should have.. Sound men both and well liked. How Peter was made Lions captain ,nobody knows. He didn't make it to the third test ..he should never have been in the team. Im saying all this as a Munster man and Iv seen him have the odd good game. But he's aged badly..he's got zero pace,zero power. The questions have to be asked .. I dont buy the deficit of leadership angle either. Ireland and Munster have plenty of leaders . All I'm seeing is an average backrow keeping outstanding young backrows plugged in the pipeline.

How dare Billy Holland (checks notes) accept a contract offer from Munster Rugby to play as a professional rugby player

Yeah_Right

Looking forward to next season, its HEC quarter final time and Kleyn, Snyman, Wycherly, Ahern, Beirne, POM, JOD, Coombes, Stander, Cloete and Hodnett are all available. Who do you pick?

Zzippy

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Looking forward to next season, its HEC quarter final time and Kleyn, Snyman, Wycherly, Ahern, Beirne, POM, JOD, Coombes, Stander, Cloete and Hodnett are all available. Who do you pick?

In before Thomond:

The Bull

yerrahbah

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Looking forward to next season, its HEC quarter final time and Kleyn, Snyman, Wycherly, Ahern, Beirne, POM, JOD, Coombes, Stander, Cloete and Hodnett are all available. Who do you pick?

Snyman, Beirne, Coombes, POM, Stander

Jump_In_Jack

yerrahbah wrote: »

Snyman, Beirne, Coombes, POM, Stander

I'd swap Coombes and Stander, think Coombes keeps the ball alive a bit more off the base of a scrum.

Tomtom364

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Looking forward to next season, its HEC quarter final time and Kleyn, Snyman, Wycherly, Ahern, Beirne, POM, JOD, Coombes, Stander, Cloete and Hodnett are all available. Who do you pick?

4. Kleyn
5. Snyman
6. Bierne
7. POM
8. Ahern

ONE LINEOUT TO RULE THEM ALL!!!

Yeah_Right

Think I'd go with Snyman and Ahern in the 2nd row with Beirne on the bench, 6. Stander, 7. JOD, 8. Coombes and Hodnett on the bench.

Brief_Lives

good news, more re-signingss

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2021/03/04/latest-player-contracts-confirmed/

thomond2006

BloodyBill wrote: »

Nuciforas professionalism is what I'm calling into question. Wheres the planning for the future. Hes just blocked up the channels for younger ,better backrows.O Mahoney has always been a good old pro,like Billy Holland..cut from the same cloth. O Mahoney was never a top class backrow..but like I said he's a good auld pro.

yerrahbah

Cronin has been our starting LH this season and young Wycherley has impressed.
I'd be surprised if they weren't both offered contracts.

But that leaves us with 6 senior LHs for next season.
That seems a bit excessive

unplayable

what do you do if you are jack crowley. i would take the offer from ROG i think.

theVersatile

Jack Crowley is first year academy - it's not like he was getting launched in La Rochelle's starting XV - I'd say he has the sense to wait his course

Poorside

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Looking forward to next season, its HEC quarter final time and Kleyn, Snyman, Wycherly, Ahern, Beirne, POM, JOD, Coombes, Stander, Cloete and Hodnett are all available. Who do you pick?

Thats kind of squad you need to go and win the thing.
Some depth in the squad across all positions now.

thomond2006

Diarmuid Barron 2021
Kevin O'Byrne 2022
Rhys Marshall 2021
Niall Scannell 2023

Scott Buckley Year 1
Eoghan Clarke Year 3

James Cronin 2021
James French 2022
Dave Kilcoyne 2023
Liam O'Connor 2022
Jeremy Loughman 2022

Josh Wycherley Year 3

Stephen Archer 2022
Keynan Knox 2022
John Ryan 2022
Roman Salanoa 2022

Tadhg Beirne 2022
Jean Kleyn 2022
RG Snyman 2022
Fineen Wycherley 2021

Thomas Ahern Year 3
Paddy Kelly Year 2
Eoin O'Connor Year 2

Gavin Coombes 2023
Chris Cloete 2022
John Hodnett 2023
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2023
Peter O'Mahony 2023
Jack O'Sullivan 2023
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 3
Alex Kendellen Year 1

Craig Casey 2023
Neil Cronin 2023
Nick McCarthy 2021
Conor Murray 2022

Joey Carbery 2022
Jake Flannery 2022
JJ Hanrahan 2021
Ben Healy 2022

Jack Crowley Year 1

Damian de Allende 2022
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2022
Alex McHenry 2022
Rory Scannell 2023

Andrew Conway 2023
Liam Coombes 2022
Shane Daly 2023
Keith Earls 2021
Seán French 2022
Matt Gallagher 2022
Mike Haley 2023
Calvin Nash 2023
Darren Sweetnam 2021

Jonathan Wren Year 3

2021/22 NIEs:
RG Snyman (capped), Damian de Allende (capped)

IN:
OUT: Billy Holland (LK, retirement)

Poorside

99% sure CJ JJ and Keith have signed on, JJ and Keith for 1 year I think, not sure about CJ.

bayern

yerrahbah wrote: »

Cronin has been our starting LH this season and young Wycherley has impressed.
I'd be surprised if they weren't both offered contracts.

But that leaves us with 6 senior LHs for next season.
That seems a bit excessive

French is viewed as a tighthead going forward

Dubinusa

Clarke looks like he will be releases? Solid depth across the squad. I think they're going to be stronger than Leinster.

thomond2006

Dubinusa wrote: »

Clarke looks like he will be releases? Solid depth across the squad. I think they're going to be stronger than Leinster.

We're paupers compared to the Evil Empire.

Cookiemunster

Poorside wrote: »

99% sure CJ JJ and Keith have signed on, JJ and Keith for 1 year I think, not sure about CJ.

The word is 2 years for CJ. I'm sure we'll be drip fed more announcements over the next few weeks.

Wegians89

unplayable wrote: »

what do you do if you are jack crowley. i would take the offer from ROG i think.

Connacht

Yeah_Right

Wegians89 wrote: »

Connacht

He would be starting for them.

bayern

Yeah_Right wrote: »

He would be starting for them.

Why ever would he stay at munster so?

Yeah_Right

bayern wrote: »

Why ever would he stay at munster so?

To win trophies.

thomond2006

bayern wrote: »

Why ever would he stay at munster so?

Loyalty.

realhorrorshow

Yeah_Right wrote: »

To win trophies.

How many Munster players under the age of 30 have won a club trophy? Apart from the Leinster exiles of course.

bayern

realhorrorshow wrote: »

How many Munster players under the age of 30 have won a club trophy? Apart from the Leinster exiles of course.

how many players above 30 have won a trophy?

irelandrover

Between Munster and Connacht, who is more likely to win a trophy next?