Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

irishbucsfan

Erik Shun wrote: »

AIL club players being drafted into the Pro14 is a bit extreme, no?

I take your point though...not sure it's true..can't see like of Carberry, Scannell, Sweetnam, Farrell Ryan etc at Munster not playing until December..it's just not viable I think

Sorry, should have said international player.

But I’m sure that’s true. The overall point is that it does not matter at all that Best (or Rob keanrey or anyone else who decides to finish up) is not going to play for their province after the World Cup.

Erik Shun

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Sorry, should have said international player.

But I’m sure that’s true. The overall point is that it does not matter at all that Best (or Rob keanrey or anyone else who decides to finish up) is not going to play for their province after the World Cup.

I'm not too bothered about after the world cup...my thinking is there is no way in hell that a 36 yo man will be match fit in 6 months time after 2? Warm-up games

irishbucsfan

Erik Shun wrote: »

I'm not too bothered about after the world cup...my thinking is there is no way in hell that a 36 yo man will be match fit in 6 months time after 2? Warm-up games

That's the exact same number of warm-up games that everyone else in the squad will have. So we'd better hope he is

Shefwedfan

Erik Shun wrote: »

I'm not too bothered about after the world cup...my thinking is there is no way in hell that a 36 yo man will be match fit in 6 months time after 2? Warm-up games

Not sure what your point is?


All the players including Best will be getting the same warm up to the WC.....


Best has just decided to finish after the WC. A number of players have done the same. Didn't McCaw hand up boots after last WC?

thomond2006

Nucifora set to sign a 4 year contract to remain with the IRFU, per the 42.

Brilliant news.

kingofthekong

Great news regarding Nucifora

yerrahbah

https://twitter.com/RugbyPlayersIRE/status/1128780057512747010

Congrats to Jack Carty

He beat Will Addison, Tadhg Beirne, Cian Healy, James Lowe and James Ryan to the award

Clegg

James Ryan wins Players Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year at the Ireland Rugby awards.

He's getting better and better.

arsebiscuits1

At the risk of going full hyperbole, have we seen an Irish second row as talented as Ryan before?

It will be a few season before he can be considered the best Irish lock of all time but for the here and now on a skills and ability basis, has there been better?

He possesses both footwork and raw power of which he uses both to beat defenders.

He is an excellent lineout option.

His tackles are usually minimum in the high teens and the most I've ever seen him miss in a game is 2.

He can cover tight and loose side in the scrum.

He has phenomenal hands and real ability to offload post contact

His performance doesn't dip at any stage between minute 1 and 80

In Ireland we have seen some great second rows but I cannot think of any as rounded as him

troyzer

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

At the risk of going full hyperbole, have we seen an Irish second row as talented as Ryan before?

It will be a few season before he can be considered the best Irish lock of all time but for the here and now on a skills and ability basis, has there been better?

He possesses both footwork and raw power of which he uses both to beat defenders.

He is an excellent lineout option.

His tackles are usually minimum in the high teens and the most I've ever seen him miss in a game is 2.

He can cover tight and loose side in the scrum.

He has phenomenal hands and real ability to offload post contact

His performance doesn't dip at any stage between minute 1 and 80

In Ireland we have seen some great second rows but I cannot think of any as rounded as him

The only thing separating him from someone like Alun Wyn Jones and Maro Itoje is his lack of dog.

He needs to be more of a wily bastard.

stephen_n

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

At the risk of going full hyperbole, have we seen an Irish second row as talented as Ryan before?

It will be a few season before he can be considered the best Irish lock of all time but for the here and now on a skills and ability basis, has there been better?

He possesses both footwork and raw power of which he uses both to beat defenders.

He is an excellent lineout option.

His tackles are usually minimum in the high teens and the most I've ever seen him miss in a game is 2.

He can cover tight and loose side in the scrum.

He has phenomenal hands and real ability to offload post contact

His performance doesn't dip at any stage between minute 1 and 80

In Ireland we have seen some great second rows but I cannot think of any as rounded as him

Sits and waits patiently for Paul’s response...

Jump_In_Jack

James Ryan is a great rugby player, but at 17 stone he seems to be a bit underweight compared to other top international second-rows.

Shefwedfan

troyzer wrote: »

The only thing separating him from someone like Alun Wyn Jones and Maro Itoje is his lack of dog.

He needs to be more of a wily bastard.

Alun Wyn Jones has only come on in last few seasons......


Ryan is still very young


Itoje is just a dirty fecker :P:P:P

Former Former

He's the certainly the most complete second row for his age that we've seen. As to the rest of it, let's wait another year or two.

arsebiscuits1

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

James Ryan is a great rugby player, but at 17 stone he seems to be a bit underweight compared to other top international second-rows.

I wouldn't say that argument is hugely relevant given how he has performed against those top level locks though

aloooof

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Alun Wyn Jones has only come on in last few seasons......

Ah here. AWJ has played in each of the last 9 Lions tests, going back to 2009. But he's only come on in the last few seasons??

Yeah_Right

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

James Ryan is a great rugby player, but at 17 stone he seems to be a bit underweight compared to other top international second-rows.

What's that in real measurements?

jacothelad

Yeah_Right wrote: »

What's that in real measurements?

108 kg.

stephen_n

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Itoje is just a dirty fecker :P:P:P

And as a result is a penalty magnet.

Shefwedfan

aloooof wrote: »

Ah here. AWJ has played in each of the last 9 Lions tests, going back to 2009. But he's only come on in the last few seasons??

Maybe read the post and then read the quote....the reference was about the dog in them....

AWJ has come on massively in last few years.....when he started out he didn't have that niggle....same as Ryan



Do we have to explain everything in full detail? just so you don't get confused?

aloooof

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Maybe read the post and then read the quote....the reference was about the dog in them....

AWJ has come on massively in last few years.....when he started out he didn't have that niggle....same as Ryan



Do we have to explain everything in full detail? just so you don't get confused?

Frankly, from someone who thinks James Hart is a massive loss to Ireland, then yes, the more detail you provide the better.

And if you could cut down on the condescension as well, that'd be great.

Jump_In_Jack

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

I wouldn't say that argument is hugely relevant given how he has performed against those top level locks though

I just wonder what a 19 stone James Ryan would be like.

accensi0n

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

I just wonder what a 19 stone James Ryan would be like.

11% better.

Shefwedfan

aloooof wrote: »

Frankly, from someone who thinks James Hart is a massive loss to Ireland, then yes, the more detail you provide the better.

And if you could cut down on the condescension as well, that'd be great.

Personally, any Irish player that has to move to a foreign club is a massive loss to Ireland.

Especially one who has shown when playing in France he is a quality player. Best of luck to him anyway, he found a club quickly and I am sure he will be a success.

Former Observer

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

I just wonder what a 19 stone James Ryan would be like.

I wonder what a forty stone James Ryan would be like.

Erik Shun

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

I just wonder what a 19 stone James Ryan would be like.

Fat?

Shefwedfan

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

I just wonder what a 19 stone James Ryan would be like.

Slllloooowwwww

Burkie1203

Former Observer wrote: »

I wonder what a forty stone James Ryan would be like.

A prop forwards worst nightmare

Clegg

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

I just wonder what a 19 stone James Ryan would be like.

Probably not as good. What makes Ryan so good is his incredible work rate and speed off the mark. Put two stone on him and both those aspects of his game diminish.

Maybe when he gets into his late 20's and early 30's he'll need to adjust his game for loss of athleticism. But for now he should stay as he is.

Jump_In_Jack

Clegg wrote: »

Probably not as good. What makes Ryan so good is his incredible work rate and speed off the mark. Put two stone on him and both those aspects of his game diminish.

Maybe when he gets into his late 20's and early 30's he'll need to adjust his game for loss of athleticism. But for now he should stay as he is.

Just makes me wonder if Ryan needs to be paired up with a heavier lock, such as Toner or Roux, or soon Kleyn will be eligible too.
Beirne or Dillane might not be able to play alongside Ryan effectively.
Henderson is not the heaviest lock, but they are a likely pairing for the World Cup in my view.
We could be bullied by other packs with bigger locks, some other teams' locks are on average around 19 stone.
I'm thinking in particular about South Africa.