When did Gemma O Doherty go batshyt crazy?

SoundsRight

aloneforever99 wrote: »

My thinking is just fine, thanks. I referred specifically to Catholicism because that's the one that indoctrinates 90% of our kids right now.

I think there is no good reason to combine education and faith. Religion is a personal thing. Do what you want in your own time.

No good reason to combine faith and education....lol. I guess that's why there so unpopular the world over.

aloneforever99

SoundsRight wrote: »

No good reason to combine faith and education....lol. I guess that's why there so unpopular the world over.

The fact that something has been done in the past isn't a particularly good argument for it continuing.

I think most people would prefer the weeks and months that are spent preparing for Communion and Confirmation to be spent actually educating the kids. Anyone who wants to do sacraments can send their kids to Sunday school.

Can you give me one good reason - in light of every abuse we've heard of in recent years - why the Catholic Church should be allowed to control our children's education?

Ipso

SoundsRight wrote: »

No good reason to combine faith and education....lol. I guess that's why there so unpopular the world over.

So what you're saying is you want Saudi funded madrases in Ireland, thanks for showing us your true colors.

SoundsRight

aloneforever99 wrote: »

The fact that something has been done in the past isn't a particularly good argument for it continuing.

I think most people would prefer the weeks and months that are spent preparing for Communion and Confirmation to be spent actually educating the kids. Anyone who wants to do sacraments can send their kids to Sunday school.

Can you give me one good reason - in light of every abuse we've heard of in recent years - why the Catholic Church should be allowed to control our children's education?

The main reason parents choose to send their child to a Catholic school, or a faith school in general, is simply because they have better reputations than other schools. This, together with the child learning the same value as the rest of his/her family. We need to put out child's education ahead of our personal grudges.

lbc2019

SoundsRight wrote: »

The main reason parents choose to send their child to a Catholic school, or a faith school in general, is simply because they have better reputations than other schools. This, together with the child learning the same value as the rest of his/her family. We need to put out child's education ahead of our personal grudges.

And they be selective- cherrypicking the better students

Like Gaelschools here

Hotblack Desiato

SoundsRight wrote: »

I'm faith schools it could confuse them

There's a simple and very obvious answer to this 'dilemma'

Get the churches out of the schools we pay for, let them run their own schools without taxpayer funding if they want.

TaurenDruid

SoundsRight wrote: »

The main reason parents choose to send their child to a Catholic school, or a faith school in general, is simply because they have better reputations than other schools. This, together with the child learning the same value as the rest of his/her family. We need to put out child's education ahead of our personal grudges.

No, they don't have a better reputation. They just have bigger numbers - 90% of primary schools.

It's a real struggle to find a non- or multi-denominational school in most areas. Why do you think you're entitled to have your religion indoctrinated into 90% of Irish children and have it done at the state's expense? Why not limit the indoctrination to your own children on your own time?

lbc2019

Anyway what happened the gay unicorns???

aloneforever99

SoundsRight wrote: »

The main reason parents choose to send their child to a Catholic school, or a faith school in general, is simply because they have better reputations than other schools. This, together with the child learning the same value as the rest of his/her family. We need to put out child's education ahead of our personal grudges.

No, most parents choose them because there are no other options.

Now, I'll ask the question once more: In light of the physical, sexual, and emotional abuse of children the Catholic Church has been responsible for across many generations, what good reason could there possibly be to allow them to continue controlling education?

Timberrrrrrrr

SoundsRight wrote: »

They can and do learn these things already, in line with their faith. If we want to live in a truly tolerant society I don't see why people should get so worked up about what is taught in faith schools. Don't agree with it? Don't send your kids there.

The problen with faith school teachings is they pick and choose which parts of their faith to teach.

When they teach the bible its all sweetness and light, they somehow skip over the parts about rape/slavery/murder.

batgoat

SoundsRight wrote: »

The main reason parents choose to send their child to a Catholic school, or a faith school in general, is simply because they have better reputations than other schools. This, together with the child learning the same value as the rest of his/her family. We need to put out child's education ahead of our personal grudges.

Know plenty of well educate educated people with well educated children attending Educate Together schools. Also the reality is Catholic schools don't teach better as a result of indoctrination and the members of the clergy have no involvement outside of Confirmation and Communion, maybe even an annual mass. So no actual tangible benefit because they're Catholic.

Ipso

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The problen with faith school teachings is they pick and choose which parts of their faith to teach.

When they teach the bible its all sweetness and light, they somehow skip over the parts about rape/slavery/murder.

Less of the moral relativism, they should have removed the colored chalk from your school.

skooterblue2

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The problen with faith school teachings is they pick and choose which parts of their faith to teach.

When they teach the bible its all sweetness and light, they somehow skip over the parts about rape/slavery/murder.

If you like the Bible, you are going to love the Koran.

Timberrrrrrrr

skooterblue2 wrote: »

If you like the Bible, you are going to love the Koran.

Read both many years ago, interesting stories but thats all they are. Fairytales that have been taken too seriously over centuries to the point people will kill because of whats written.

SoundsRight

aloneforever99 wrote: »

No, most parents choose them because there are no other options.

Now, I'll ask the question once more: In light of the physical, sexual, and emotional abuse of children the Catholic Church has been responsible for across many generations, what good reason could there possibly be to allow them to continue controlling education?

Because parents would rather have their children brought up in a Catholic ethos than a LGBT one. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. I don't see people marching in the street to kick religion out of schools. It's just not a big deal is it?

skooterblue2

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Read both many years ago, interesting stories but thats all they are. Fairytales that have been taken too seriously over centuries to the point people will kill because of whats written.

The major difference is that the Christian Churches have reformed many times over a 2000 year period but where Islam is still struggling to reform once as heretic are burned. See Sarah Radwan from Cork who offered 12 pink tulips to Shiek Halawa and was taken outside and had the sugar kicked out of her.

skooterblue2

aloneforever99 wrote: »

No, most parents choose them because there are no other options.

Now, I'll ask the question once more: In light of the physical, sexual, and emotional abuse of children the Catholic Church has been responsible for across many generations, what good reason could there possibly be to allow them to continue controlling education?

Well you can gather your own community, purchase land, build a school and train teachers. Then you can have your own school. Not as simple as it sounds, is it?

Remember Schools werent built by the church they were built by parishes and communities that built them together.

SoundsRight

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well you can gather your own community, purchase land, build a school and train teachers. Then you can have your own school. Not as simple as it sounds, is it?

Remember Schools werent built by the church they were built by parishes and communities that built them together.

Parents already have the choice between faith and non-faith schools. The problem they have is that the non-faith school isn't on their doorstep. It'll require actual effort to send their kids there. The sense of entitlement is laughable. And they think Gemma is crazy?

dav3

SoundsRight wrote: »

Because parents would rather have their children brought up in a Catholic ethos than a LGBT one. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. I don't see people marching in the street to kick religion out of schools. It's just not a big deal is it?

We've all seen plenty of marches. Not many people marching to keep a dying religion in schools at taxpayers expense though.







What all this has to do with nutters telling us about the dangers of communist unicorns I don't know.

Local tech I know, accepts all faiths and none. Accepts all comers.

Falling apart enrollment wise. People rather travel 10/15km to the more respectable religious secondaries in a bigger town.

Timberrrrrrrr

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The major difference is that the Christian Churches have reformed many times over a 2000 year period but where Islam is still struggling to reform once as heretic are burned. See Sarah Radwan from Cork who offered 12 pink tulips to Shiek Halawa and was taken outside and had the sugar kicked out of her.

Ask how many people had ****e kicked out of them (and worse) by priests/nuns/christian brothers not to many years ago, the answers may surprise you.

Im not attacking Christianity and im not defending islam, all religions are pure sh/te to me and are the cause for most of the suffering and death in the world as far as im concernes.

skooterblue2

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ask how many people had ****e kicked out of them (and worse) by priests/nuns/christian brothers not to many years ago, the answers may surprise you.

Im not attacking Christianity and im not defending islam, all religions are pure sh/te to me and are the cause for most of the suffering and death in the world as far as im concernes.

I think it would be unfair to compare the severest Christian Society with any country with a Sharia based legal system.

If you are looking for a communist Utopia, that crap doesnt exist either with a good old purge and a being ruled with an Iron fist

skooterblue2

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Local tech I know, accepts all faiths and none. Accepts all comers.

Falling apart enrollment wise. People rather travel 10/15km to the more respectable religious secondaries in a bigger town.

Christ on a bike dont go there with the Technical schools. They are filled with perpetual no hopers, prospective meat factory technicians and people too poor to afford the Bus ride to the next real school. I know because I went to one of them. They are usually filled with teachers that are "political" appointments because no other school would have them.

aloneforever99

SoundsRight wrote: »

Because parents would rather have their children brought up in a Catholic ethos than a LGBT one. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. I don't see people marching in the street to kick religion out of schools. It's just not a big deal is it?

You must have missed the referendum where 70% of Irish people in everywhere but the ar$ehole of Roscommon endorsed LGBT rights. Meanwhile 50% of marriages now take place outside of the church, down from 90% a generation ago, and most people under 50 don't go near a church outside of weddings and funerals.

So where exactly are you getting this idea that people prefer a Catholic ethos? 1950 called, it wants its opinions back.

klaaaz

Today's update. We'll have to look under our beds for the unicorns now! Btw, on that FB post, there has been about 20 "haha" smiley reacts from "her followers" which is maybe a positive sign. But still around 50 loo-la's still "Like" it.

TaurenDruid

SoundsRight wrote: »

Parents already have the choice between faith and non-faith schools. The problem they have is that the non-faith school isn't on their doorstep. It'll require actual effort to send their kids there. The sense of entitlement is laughable. And they think Gemma is crazy?

Not on their doorstep, not on their bus route, not even in their postal district. In many cases, not even in their county. The multi-denominational schools that exist are vastly oversubscribed.

90% of schools are Catholic. Not just Christian, but specifically RC (because apparently there's an important difference between bread just being a symbol and actual flesh that the Proddies don't get. This is an important difference, apparently, and we must keep these children segregated). 96% of achools are Christian.

Only 79% of the population are (nominally) Catholic (Catholics are obliged to do things like go to mass weekly - the empty churches would indicate it's nominal for most of that 79%).

Expecting the rest of us to pay for your kids *and ours* to be indoctrinated in Catholic schools that we have to pay for - yes, the sense of entitlement is indeed laughable!

SoundsRight

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Not on their doorstep, not on their bus route, not even in their postal district. In many cases, not even in their county. The multi-denominational schools that exist are vastly oversubscribed.

90% of schools are Catholic. Not just Christian, but specifically RC (because apparently there's an important difference between bread just being a symbol and actual flesh that the Proddies don't get. This is an important difference, apparently, and we must keep these children segregated). 96% of achools are Christian.

Only 79% of the population are (nominally) Catholic (Catholics are obliged to do things like go to mass weekly - the empty churches would indicate it's nominal for most of that 79%).

Expecting the rest of us to pay for your kids *and ours* to be indoctrinated in Catholic schools that we have to pay for - yes, the sense of entitlement is indeed laughable!

So because 3-4% of the population are gay, their values should take precedence over 79% of the population? Who do they think they are?

skooterblue2

SoundsRight wrote: »

So because 3-4% of the population are gay, their values should take precedence over 79% of the population? Who do they think they are?

If you watched HollyOaks 20% of the populations is LGBTQP according to it.

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skooterblue2

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Expecting the rest of us to pay for your kids *and ours* to be indoctrinated in Catholic schools that we have to pay for - yes, the sense of entitlement is indeed laughable!

That money given to the school is given to every child on a headage payment. We have to pay for all childrens education because they will be paying our pension in a few years. You wouldnt want to be in a society where you have demoralised adults without education, those people usually turn to crime.

Annd9

SoundsRight wrote: »

So because 3-4% of the population are gay, their values should take precedence over 79% of the population? Who do they think they are?

Or maybe some people would rather their kids do more maths/science and geography , the things that we know actually exist , which help us everyday .
Are you aware of how much time a primary teacher is expected to dedicate to religion each week ? It's a scandal , luckily many teachers see sense and use their time better .