38kWh Ioniq

BigAl81

Yeah a well priced second hand one would make for a great deal once your aware of the charging speed.

Three months in now and it's a lovely car and very happy with it.

An original Northern Irish one wouldn't attract any import taxes right, so could be with a look up there too?

slave1

You have to move right up the trim levels in an ID3 to match the generously loaded Ioniq so prices not the same, also the Ioniq’s efficiency reduces the smaller battery size range differential

eagerv

BigAl81 wrote: »

Yeah a well priced second hand one would make for a great deal once your aware of the charging speed.

Three months in now and it's a lovely car and very happy with it.

An original Northern Irish one wouldn't attract any import taxes right, so could be with a look up there too?

A few questions please, now that you have a few miles under your belt:



Compared to the 28 how do you find the efficiency, performance, noise, comfort etc?
Assume the 38 has a heat pump as well?

BigAl81

eagerv wrote: »

Compared to the 28 how do you find the efficiency, performance, noise, comfort etc?
Assume the 38 has a heat pump as well?

Driving efficiency is the same from my observations. Charging efficiency is much worse at rapid chargers where it charges very conservatively. For me, it makes about 15 minutes difference about once every 4 months so I was ok with that. YMMV.

Performance is slightly slower away from the lights in sport mode. Seems to be slightly restricted here, I'd guess to protect the battery? It's not awful, but it's noticeable, so if that's important to you, do a test drive.

Noise is the same. I've never found it to be an issue.

Comfort is much better. A page or two back I listed a bunch of pros to the car if you want the full list, but leather seats, electric memory seats and mirrors, ambient lighting, leather dash, larger infotainment screen etc. Really like the car!

Range is obviously a big plus. Not into summer range yet and had 275kms on the GOM yesterday at 100% SOC.

It all comes down to finding one at the right price. I got a great deal on mine, and overall very happy to have upgraded and love the car.

eagerv

BigAl81 wrote: »

Driving efficiency is the same from my observations. Charging efficiency is much worse at rapid chargers where it charges very conservatively. For me, it makes about 15 minutes difference about once every 4 months so I was ok with that. YMMV.

Performance is slightly slower away from the lights in sport mode. Seems to be slightly restricted here, I'd guess to protect the battery? It's not awful, but it's noticeable, so if that's important to you, do a test drive.

Noise is the same. I've never found it to be an issue.

Comfort is much better. A page or two back I listed a bunch of pros to the car if you want the full list, but leather seats, electric memory seats and mirrors, ambient lighting, leather dash, larger infotainment screen etc. Really like the car!

Range is obviously a big plus. Not into summer range yet and had 275kms on the GOM yesterday at 100% SOC.

It all comes down to finding one at the right price. I got a great deal on mine, and overall very happy to have upgraded and love the car.

Thanks for all that:).
I still think they are a great car, even with all the newer competition. Great spec. The only real problem was the price. We drove one I think Jan '20, but good to hear your thoughts after living with one for a while. The slower charging would rarely be a problem for us, especially seeing we also have a ID.3 with close enough efficiency for non motorway driving. (As long as the temp is not below about 5c and then needs heavy battery heating.)

Qboot

Hi All,

After extensive research and some test-driving, I pretty much have my mind set for an Ioniq 38 kW. This car seems to fit in perfectly with the budget and what it would be used for. Still, this will be my first EV, and as much as I have read about its pros and cons, I would greatly appreciate some real-world feedback re a few questions I have about the car.

What the car will primarily be used for is a 160 km one way commute along a motorway, with a free type 2 charger at destination. The missus will be able to charge it up there for 6-8 hours, and then she will take a 160 km return trip home. The trip will be done 3 times a week. My question to you is whether the car would be able to handle that type of range at 120 or even 130 km/h speed?

Also, although I am not too bothered by slower-than-desirable rapid charging capabilities of that car, I would still appreciate feedback on whether the occasional return trip from Athlone (where I am based) to Shannon Airport (140 km along a motorway) or Dublin Airport (130 km along a motorway) would be achievable with up to 30-minute stop for rapid charging?

Many thanks in advance for your input!

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118812325#Comment_118812325

160km should be fine. It might get tight when below 5 Celsius temperatures with wind and rain, but you can see the estimated range and slow down slightly if needed.

My main worry would be workplace/destination charger be always available, always work and if it did break would it be fixed quickly. With the growth in EVs it may be ok now but in 1 year or 2 years there may not be enough chargers to meet demand.

Main issue is public chargers can be busy with queues, blocked, broken and you may need to go somewhere else. The cars themselves are great

Most rapid chargers are 50kW max, meaning in 30 minutes you can only get 25kWh max charge, but speed slows a lot above 75% charge level.

Personally I would wonder if a car with a 60+kWh battery would be better long term values, or similar annual cost with less requirements to use public chargers. Some newer cars with bigger batteries may have no depreciation due to supply and demand. I would not buy a 38kWh brand new, it's not great value for the battery size.

Qboot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817717#Comment_118817717

Thank you for your input, ZG.

There are 8 level 2 chargers for company use only at their private car park, and for the time being they are just sitting there, so access should not be an issue. The company is also planning to add more, likely anticipating the inevitable increase in demand. There are also a couple of rapid chargers along the route home, so a top-up will be possible, if needed.

I agree about the range — a bigger battery would have been perfect, but we are also looking at a couple of grand more compared to the basic Ioniq. Perhaps I will convince the dealer to lend me the car for 2 hours or so, so that I could take it on a motorway and test-drive it there, just to see if the range will be an issue.

Orebro

Just wanted to echo below what I said in another thread about the Ioniq 38 - I'm blown away by the efficiency of the car and how just good of a car it is. It has gotten a bad rap over the fast charging speeds which is completely unfair. Oh and it will do a 160Km trip at motorway speeds at any time of year without breaking a sweat:

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Ioniq38 has to be the most under-rated EV amongst the EV drivers on here, it attracts a lot of flak over the slower fast charging speeds but that completely unfairly causes it to be disregarded. The battery is 30% larger than Ioniq28, and is capable of doing 270 to 300Km. For fast charging it takes 37 mins to go from 10% to 69% giving 200Km range. Ioniq28 takes 30 mins to go from 10% to 94% for similar range. (Figure from Bjorn Nyland tests). So for the sake of 7 mins is it reasonable to bash it so much? The increased battery size means it will cover more journeys than the Ioniq28 without needing to stop.

One other thing worth mentioning is that it is the most efficient EV ever tested by InsideEVs, trumping even the Model 3 long range. Thats no mean feat for a budget Korean family saloon! Ref: https://insideevs.com/reviews/431136/2020-hyundai-ioniq-highway-range-test/

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Black_Knight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118820821#Comment_118820821

It should have been an iteration on the Ioniq28. 3 years of further battery tech and development, and they produced a car that charges at a max of 45kW. It very rightly got bashed for its slower charging speed, it was/is a huge step backwards for the Ioniq. If fast charging isn't going to bother you, the price should. €34k didn't and doesn't represent value for that car. Great if you can nab a bargain of one, but there's a reason why so many would prefer an Ioniq 28 over the 38 - for the additional cost, the 38 doesn't deliver.

If you're happy to pay 30k+ for one, and fast charging isn't going to be a concern, then it's still a great car, and you won't be disappointed, but the bad rap it gets for charging speeds is completely fair, and justified.

Orebro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822161#Comment_118822161

Do you own one?

Old diesel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118822161#Comment_118822161

The point is that everyone uses the to 80 percent time of 57 mins as a reference point vs the Ioniq 28s much faster to 80 percent time of 30 mins or whatever.

Implying a 20 mins plus difference in charge times vs an Ioniq 28.

But that's not necessarily the case if we take a like for like metric re....

1) how long to get back to 200 kms on gom

2) how long to get back to 26.32 kwh available energy battery.

26.32 is 94 percent on an Ioniq 28 and 69 percent on the Ioniq 28.

Its pretty simple really - the Ioniq 38 isn't a perfect car but its a better more usable car then Ioniq 28 fanboys give it credit for.

Also with all the upset elsewhere on here re the charging network - an Ioniq 38 is less likely to need a visit to a faulty charge point in 1st place.

Extra range gives you more options to work around broken chargers either actual known ones or the risk of it.

The outrage over lack of improvement is overlooking the fact that the 38 is still an okay car at right money.

Orebro

And lets not forget the vast majority of people using a car like the Ioniq 38 will rarely if ever need to fast charge in the first place as 270 to 300Km range is more than enough. On the rare occasion you do need to fast charge (like being on a leisure trip from Dublin to Cork or the like) an extra 10 or 15 mins on a stop is hardly something to be getting your knickers in a twist about or a reason not to get one in the first place.

Obviously if you are regularly doing more than this kind of mileage then maybe a car with bigger battery / faster charging is better, but this is a tiny minority of drivers.

Lets also not forget that electricity prices in Ireland are about to go up dramatically so efficiency of your EV is about to come into play in a big way, and you can't do better than Ioniq for that.

The bigger battery cars like ID3 are showing cold-gate like properties too with disappointing charging speeds alot of the time, and yet they're selling like hot cakes!

slave1

This car is a very well spec'd car and suitable for many many EV drivers. It gets unfairly bashed here (on a specialist EV forum don't forget) due to the fast charging versus its predecessor which is an outlier of an exceptional early EV car.

I'm a golfer and the Cashen golf course is top notch, but it's next to Ballybunion Old, so same scenario.

eagerv

I always liked the 38kWh, very suitable for a lot of people. But price of around 37K was crazy a few years ago when you could soon order the 58kWh 1st ID.3 for about 34K with further incentives available. The price did fall back I think earlier last year, looked as though a new one could be purchased for 30K or a little over.

slave1

You're right on price actually, I forget about that, I was looking to bring one in from NI with no VAT/Customs early last year but a Kona popped up and we went for that instead, a compromise of losing spec but gaining range which worked for us (well, herself). From memory it was around €26k all in with little mileage

Qboot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118823110#Comment_118823110

That is my reasoning as well. Besides the lengthy commute to work (which the car should handle without a problem, even at motorway speeds in winter, based on tests by Bjorn or Battery Life and on opinions of other users) with free charging at destination, our use of the car would be primarily for the occasional family trip with the kids. Now, even with our current diesel, we always take a 30-50 minute break for food, to stretch the legs, etc., so topping up, even at a slower rate, is not an issue. It just seems to fit very well with our life style, so for us, it does not make sense to put in another few grand just to be able to go a bit father or charge a bit faster. At the current price of €34k, I do not see a better alternative. I was also considering bigger-battery cars such as the Kona, KIA e-Niro and Skoda Enyaq, but besides a considerably pricier entry points (well above €40k, even for the Kona), none are available for purchase at the moment, with waiting times well into the summer or even until 2023 (in the case of the Enyaq), which in my case means as much as a few grand spent on diesel. The Ioniq is already on its way to dealers and should be available in a week or two. Two of the dealers I spoke to also mentioned that this new batch is to be somewhat improved, although they were basing that on rumours and did not know any specifics. And no official news has been provided by Hyundai so I am taking it with a pinch of salt for the time being.

DublinDilbert

Yep they are very good in terms of efficiency, I haven't had mine in the warmer temps till yesterday. I was seeing around 11.2kwhr/100km, over a 40km run which is really impressive.

On a side note, did anyone else's dash turn Korean today? Mine has either gone to defaults or they pushed out an update (not sure if they are doing OTA updates)

zg3409

I believe the update in the new model is a name change to Ioniq 3...

I don't want to bash those 38kWh owners, but in terms of actual total cost of ownership a car with a 60+kWh battery will cost less to own over a number of years , total depreciation versus a new ioniq 38kWh.

If you can get a used one at a reasonable price, but all used EVs are in high demand. Used Niros are being sold by dealers before they even see them, as demand for anything exceeds supply. Some people are selling their new cars on arrival for higher than they paid, indeed some on waiting lists don't even want the car, they are playing the market.

They are a far better car than a 40kWh leaf, and battery should last well beyond warranty.

They are a bit dated, lower battery size compared to most EVs, and expensive for the price. If I considered new I would stretch for something else.

All in all

Hi, I was wondering would anyone have any advice. I am currently thinking of changing my diesel for a 38kwh ioniq, current mileage is approx 700km per week, with one day doing 240km, other days are approx 100km. Could I do the longer days driving without need to charge, there is no motorway driving?

I have a total budget of about €30,000 that I would like to keep close to. There are a couple available for under that on DoneDeal currently, however I have seen them cheaper at various stages.

I know other options are possibly an MG, even though I know availability is an issue. A leaf may also be an option, again unsure how suitable it would be for longer day.

Any advice or input appreciated.

Qboot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118858019#Comment_118858019

Hi All in all,

Not sure this is relevant anymore, but I figured I would throw in my 3 cents, after a month of driving the 38 kWh Ioniq.

My usage would be similar, although I am only doing 160 km one way per day, all on a motorway at 130-135 km/h. At this speed, in ECO mode without regen, with AC on, phone charging, radio on, with 2 car seats in the back (basically, normal usage), the car can go for 200-220 km (arriving with approx. 20% battery left). If I slow down to 120-125 km/h, the range jumps up to about 250 km (arriving with approx. 35% left). I have yet to test it out at speeds around 115-120 km/h (i.e., typical motorway speeds in Ireland), but I would expect to get around 270 km.

The above has been tested multiple times in temperatures between 4-10°C (the missus leaves at 6:00 am, so she still had a chance to drive around in lower temps at the beginning of April). This is real-world driving from a first-time EV owner, on a route from Athlone to Limerick and back, starting at 100%. I am pretty impressed with the efficiency. Please note however that the trip has always started with 100% SoC, with the car pre-conditioned for travel, cabin warmed up, etc. The conditions so far have also been rather optimal, so we have yet to experience driving the route in heavy rain or wind.

However, as it has primarily been motorway driving, I would be unable to verify the range at local roads at this point. Still, from what I gather, you should be able to do your 240 km without a problem when conditions are optimal, as I am able to achieve that range at motorway speeds. Not so sure about driving in winter/heavy rain etc., but if you have rapid chargers en route and some time to spare, you could always use those if need be. I have tested out a 50 kWh rapid charger at Circle K, and I got 15% to 65% in 30 minutes, so I was quite happy with that.

Some things to watch out for in the Ioniq:

1. Make sure to update the software first, and then set up your BlueLink app. Before the update, in my case, scheduled charging/climate control could be very unreliable. It has been working without issue since the system upgrade.
2. A small thing — but may be crucial to some — apparently, the car lets in fresh air in the cabin while driving. This can give you a very uncomfortable sensation of "cold feet". It happens occasionally, usually when AC is off, but turning on air recirculation seems to work. Not sure if this is going to be an issue during summer. Will have to wait and find out.
3. Officially, roof bars are not allowed on the Ioniq. Something to consider if you often carry bikes or other stuff on your roof. Although I am not if this is not allowed because it poses danger for whatever reason, so simply because it would affect the range.

Overall, I am very happy with the car.

setanta1984

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119022775#Comment_119022775

Sorry for quoting the whole post, but regarding your point number 1 there, I thought the BlueLink app was not available for this car in Ireland? (as per earlier posts in this thread)

I have this car and there is no bluelink options anywhere. (Scheduled charging has been perfect for me too btw)

Qboot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119022977#Comment_119022977

Well, if it was not available before, it is definitely available now. I downloaded it normally from Google Play - it works great (after system update). They must have made it available before I purchased the car. Some screenshots below.

All in all

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119022775#Comment_119022775

Many thanks for the reply, but have already pulled the trigger. I bought one about 3 weeks ago, a 2020 model. Really enjoying it so far. Doing the one longer drive I do with ease, my drive is on national roads so speed is more 80-100km/h. I drove 230km this week had 20% battery remaining.

Dont have blue link and presume it is not available on older car.

I was fortunate and was able to have charger installed nearly immediately as I got lucky with getting a cancellation, I had contacted loads of installers and thought I would be facing a longer wait.

setanta1984

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119025080#Comment_119025080

cheers, yeah installing the phone app isn't the issue, it's the options in the car itself is missing - no reference anywhere its supposed to be in the menus in my 212 car.

Did you update the car software yourself? I assume thats the difference between yours and mine.

Qboot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119025336#Comment_119025336

Ah, congratulations then! Glad to hear you are enjoying the car and that it works for you, distance-wise!

If your 2020 car is the facelift model, then you should be able to use BlueLink.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119025567#Comment_119025567

Hmm, strange. It is definitely not the car software, as mine came pre-installed with 2020 software and I managed to connect to BlueLink then. It was unreliable, however, which is why I updated the software. And yes, I updated it myself. It is fairly straightforward, but very time-consuming. Get a 60gb flash drive ready and follow instructions on https://update.hyundai.com/EU/E1/Main. You need to download the Navigation Updater to your PC (contrary to what it may seem going by the name alone, it updates the firmware as well as navigation) and then download the update, copy it to your flash drive, stick it in the car and follow instructions to install it.

As to BlueLink itself, I recall it was a rather involved set up, requiring registering for a Hyundai account, the car's chassis number and some other stuff. Have a look at Brian Doolan's tutorial at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_G5eha_c-g. Hopefully, you'll manage to set it up, as it really is convenient. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

EDIT: I will actually be updating the software again soon, as apparently a new update is already released in USA and Canada, which enables Android Auto on full screen, rather than the 70%-30% split. Should hit Europe soon enough.

DublinDilbert

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119026133#Comment_119026133

That is good news regarding bluelink. When i previously looked at this, it appeared that hyundai had possibly not registered certain VIN numbers from specific models sold in specific markets on the back end server. This was based on me trying to register the VIN with the app and reading various forums.

I'm wondering if when the bluelink is enabled on the vehicle, if it automatically registers the vehicle/vin on the back-end, allowing the user to then register the VIN with the app.

I must have a look at the NAV update procedure you have listed above. Is your ioniq a 2022 model?

Mine is in for a software update tomorrow, but i believe it is just the firmware in the BMS that is getting updated.

Qboot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119035058#Comment_119035058

This is a very interesting point re the manufacturer failing to register certain VINs. May have to inquire with the dealer directly. I know Hyundai just started meeting again with its dealers for the first time in 3 years, so it may be easier getting answers. I am currently waiting to hear back from my dealer about the possibility to install a bike carrier and about the availability of Charge My Hyundai app in Ireland — he was supposed to raise these issues at their recent meeting in Dublin.

Yes, my Ioniq is a 2022 model, although it did come pre-installed with old software (not sure why, you would think they ship their cars with the latest software...), but I was able to connect to BlueLink even then.

Best of luck with the update!

DublinDilbert

I was booking I’m for a service next week and while taking the booking the service advisor mentioned that they are waiting on a new battery for my car. Does anyone know if these are “new” replacement units or re-manufactured ones ?

slave1

New, part of a global recall, this car and 2019 era Kona