Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

eagle eye

brendanwalsh wrote:

I'd like to see the cold place in hell reserved for Teresa May and Sile. Both championing sinking causes, and they are both about to go down with their ship. No way, we won't pay.

What has that got to do with the nurses?

road_high

mariaalice wrote: »

There are here because they are paid about 10 times what they would be paid in their own country, plus they are often supporting a family in their own country. They could go lots of places, but there is lots of racism in the countries where they would be paid the most so place like Ireland the UK and Canada have good opportunities mines the downside of some other places. The culture a person comes from can affect the perception of conditions too.

Why are they out on the picket lines if they are here, more or less, of their volition? I don’t get that myself, it lacks credibility.

weldoninhio

Gunmonkey wrote: »

Oh....go on then, I will bite!

Where would this magical cut be made that wouldnt affect a single person in Ireland?

Cut foreign aid. We pay almost 1bn a year towards it.

road_high

weldoninhio wrote: »

Cut foreign aid. We pay almost 1bn a year towards it.

So take cash for the very most needy in the world to give to some of the best paid public servants in the world. Nice!

weldoninhio

road_high wrote: »

So take cash for the very most needy in the world to give to some of the best paid public servants in the world. Nice!

Not “taking” anything from anyone. It’s not theirs to begin with. It’s Irish taxpayers money. If you feel so strongly about feeding the world there are plenty of charities for you to donate your own money to.

ELM327

weldoninhio wrote: »

Not “taking” anything from anyone. It’s not theirs to begin with. It’s Irish taxpayers money. If you feel so strongly about feeding the world there are plenty of charities for you to donate your own money to.

How about the following:


Allow X as the amount saved by potential cuts to the dole, Y as the amount saved by cutting foreign aid, and Z as the amount needed to increase nurses wages as demanded.


Let's assume that (X + Y)>Z, where X<=Z and Y <=Z



Then we apportion the following payment:


0.8(X+Y) = Z the amount needed to give the nurses the pay increase
0.2(X+Y) remaining, as other fiscal space.


Win win win, right?

hawkelady

https://t.co/LNP77FpQhU

I see Brian O’Driscoll has voiced his opinion

Satta Massagana

BOD still living in cloud cuckoo land...

eagle eye

Respect for BOD.

hawkelady

Also , just to mention that there is a nurse on AMA at the minute ... she’s putting a lot of the myths that’s spouted on here to bed. Worth a read ..

tretorn

I dont think she is.

She says she is thinking about going to Dubai because shes stony broke and in the next breath she scoffs at the idea of doing four extra shifts a month, she would get two hundred euros into her hand for doing these shifts.

How could you only earn two hundred euros if you do four extra shifts a month.

iamwhoiam

tretorn wrote: »

I dont think she is.

She says she is thinking about going to Dubai because shes stony broke and in the next breath she scoffs at the idea of doing four extra shifts a month, she would get two hundred euros into her hand for doing these shifts.

Four extra shifts a month for €200 is €50 for a twelve hour shift . Not many would take on that stress and responsibility for €50 . And personally I think it very underhand to talk about a post here where she can't reply to you .

myshirt

tretorn wrote: »

I dont think she is.

She says she is thinking about going to Dubai because shes stony broke and in the next breath she scoffs at the idea of doing four extra shifts a month, she would get two hundred euros into her hand for doing these shifts.

What's sticking out of this whole thing is that there's money there for us to claim back off nurses for their training. If they feel it's a better option to go abroad, does this lend weight to a student loan scheme? Should one be introduced? For example if you don't work in the Irish healthcare system for 5 years then you pay pack the training cost?

Shouldn't be a problem if nurses earning double abroad as some say.

James Brown

What bugs me is everything gets turned into Us and Them particularly by the current government. You might recall all the bad press renters got when the public were kicking up about landlords and vulture funds becoming landlords. Then there was the worse elsewhere, some are only pretending homeless chat and Leo's welfare fraud campaign like any tax concerns are down to the Dutch Gold brigade and now the Nurses and Midwives are selfish and out to screw the tax payer. It's a sh*tty way to manage discourse on state policy IMO.

iamwhoiam

myshirt wrote: »

What's sticking out of this whole thing is that there's money there for us to claim back off nurses for their training. If they feel it's a better option to go abroad, does this lend weight to a student loan scheme? Should one be introduced? For example if you don't work in the Irish healthcare system for 5 years then you pay pack the training cost?

Shouldn't be a problem if nurses earning double abroad as some say.

Why apply that to nurses only then ? Surely it should apply across the board then

alloywheel

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Why apply that to nurses only then ?

Nurses are trained to work in the health sector and should put something back in to the country ,if they get a greatly subsidised education which they do. In Malaysia for example they have to work 7 years there after qualifying, I believe.
Why should oil and resources rich countries like Middle Eastern ones and Oz get the benefit of our already trained nurses?

iamwhoiam

alloywheel wrote: »

Nurses are trained to work in the health sector and should put something back in to the country ,if they get a greatly subsidised education which they do. In Malaysia for example they have to work 7 years there after qualifying, I believe.
Why should oil and resources rich countries like Middle Eastern ones and Oz get the benefit of our already trained nurses?

My point was why just nurses ? Other graduates are also privy to a subsidised education . So why not apply it across the board to all post grads , Physios. .Medical students , Radiographers . IT , Engineers . ?

BarryD2

Gael23 wrote: »

Will be interesting to see what happens when public opinion eventually turns against the nurses, and that will soon happen

Inclined to think that 3 days next week will push it over the edge one way or the other. I very much doubt the average nurse thought it would get that far. Betting is grand if you can afford to lose but they're going now into the territory where the odds start stacking up and the consequences aren't pretty. The plans that looked pretty on paper now start looking a step too far.

You'd have to be sympathetic at one level to the grievances and claims but not convinced that a simple pay rise is the way to fix the system. If anything it'll surely make it worse by robbing from Peter to pay Paul. Still think a solution is some pay rise for nurses but reduction in numbers and increase in lower paid assistants.

tayto lover

BarryD2 wrote: »

Inclined to think that 3 days next week will push it over the edge one way or the other. I very much doubt the average nurse thought it would get that far. Betting is grand if you can afford to lose but they're going now into the territory where the odds start stacking up and the consequences aren't pretty. The plans that looked pretty on paper now start looking a step too far.

You'd have to be sympathetic at one level to the grievances and claims but not convinced that a simple pay rise is the way to fix the system. If anything it'll surely make it worse by robbing from Peter to pay Paul.

Public opinion doesn’t pay bills.
Too much emphasis put on public opinion.

Sam Quentin

tretorn wrote: »

The nurses seem to have decided who they want to benchmark themselves against and its gone from a pay increase to demanding parity with physios and dieticans and other grades. These grades are more specialist than nurses so have akways been paid more. Physios etc will be very unhsppy if the principle is accepted that nurses because they have strength in numbers should earn as much as them.

What is the situation in other countries, sre nurses paid the same ss Physio graduates.

I would think there are pay differentials everywhere between graduate nurses, graduate physios and graduate Junior doctors and if nurses are paid at physio level then Junior doctors and Physios will want the differential restored through more money.

Public support for the nurses will disappear soon, they need to be realistic in their demands. The problem seems to lie in attracting more nurses and realistically its to the Philipines and India we should be looking to fill the gap and not endlessly training young Irish nurses who are going to travel no matter what they are paid.

Totally agree, having lived abroad myself I realise that in most cases young Irish travel for the 'craíc' it's like a bug or a some kind of a want in the Irish.. basically all the people you meet from the mother land had been in employment and just wanted to travel.. if they get more money then that's just a bonus and a few extra nights on the pīss every week making nuisances of themselves.

BarryD2

tayto lover wrote: »

Public opinion doesn’t pay bills.
Too much emphasis put on public opinion.

Public support or the lack of can easily make or break a strike.

alloywheel

iamwhoiam wrote: »

My point was why just nurses ? Other graduates are also privy to a subsidised education . So why not apply it across the board to all post grads , Physios. .Medical students , Radiographers . IT , Engineers . ?

Let them all the people who are trained to work in the health sector be expected to put something back in to the country or else repay some of the money spent on them.

iamwhoiam

alloywheel wrote: »

Let them all the people who are trained to work in the health sector be expected to put something back in to the country or else repay some of the money spent on them.

Just health ? Not teachers then ?

Martina1991

Will there be any repercussions for the INMO for striking and breaking the public service agreement?

alloywheel

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Just health ? Not teachers then ?

The country is not importing teachers to replace disloyal teachers who go swanning around the world, but if it makes you feel better all students should have to repay part of their subsidised education costs if they flee the country after 3rd level and give other countries the benefit of their education, paid by the taxpayer here.

The_Kew_Tour

Pay rise and better conditions I don't see problem with. The vast majority of them do great job.

However, if they do get these demands which I hope they do, then I also hope they are held more accountable and the crap ones I have experienced can get a warning and maybe more if they can't deliver, like many other jobs.

Flyingsnowball

Martina1991 wrote: »

Will there be any repercussions for the INMO for striking and breaking the public service agreement?

There ruddy well should be.

tayto lover

BarryD2 wrote: »

Public support or the lack of can easily make or break a strike.

Don’t agree.
The public change like the wind.

Fann Linn

Martina1991 wrote: »

Will there be any repercussions for the INMO for striking and breaking the public service agreement?

Throwing petrol on the fire comes to mind if this happens.

tayto lover

Martina1991 wrote: »

Will there be any repercussions for the INMO for striking and breaking the public service agreement?

Not in a million years.
They won’t even attempt to go there.