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Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

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    #2972
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Don’t agree.
    The public change like the wind.

    Public opinion doesn't means thing.

    LUAS drivers had very little support.
    Striking during the Easter 2016 commemoration, and threatened to strike during the Leaving Cert.

    They still got well paid.


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    #2973
    KaneToad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭KaneToad


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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Not in a million years.
    They won’t even attempt to go there.

    It will be very unfair if they don't.


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    #2974
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    You
    alloywheel wrote: »
    The country is not importing teachers to replace disloyal teachers who go swanning around the world, but if it makes you feel better all students should have to repay part of their subsidised education costs if they flee the country after 3rd level and give other countries the benefit of their education, paid by the taxpayer here.

    Hah, loyalty.

    Graduates have been royally f*cked over by the previous generation. They have no reason to be loyal to this country, when it's so willing to sell out their futures.
    KaneToad wrote: »
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    It will be very unfair if they don't.

    Unfair to who exactly?

    Even if there was repercussions, it would be more than offset by any financial gains.

    Again, with the LUAS example, they lost their bonuses and pay for strike days, but they would have more than made up for that loss through wage increases as a result of the strike.


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    #2975
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    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    .......

    Again, with the LUAS example, they lost their bonuses and pay for strike days, but they would have more than made up for that loss through wage increases as a result of the strike.

    What about all the other issues.....or is the strike just about money now?


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    #2976
    KaneToad
    Registered Users Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Twenty Grand wrote: »

    Unfair to who exactly?

    .

    The ASTI, for one.

    They were financially disadvantaged by not signing up to the pay agreement in the first instance. If the INMO, who did sign up, but who are now acting as if they didn't, are not financially disadvantaged it is very unfair towards the ASTI.

    Different treatment for different sectors who are both outside the pay agreement.


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    #2977
    hawkelady
    Registered Users Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    KaneToad wrote: »
    The ASTI, for one.

    They were financially disadvantaged by not signing up to the pay agreement in the first instance. If the INMO, who did sign up, but who are now acting as if they didn't, are not financially disadvantaged it is very unfair towards the ASTI.

    Different treatment for different sectors who are both outside the pay agreement.

    That’s politics. Leo wouldn’t do anything that would annoy the votes they need. But who knows , if it turns sour for the nurses , he might. It’s basically optics ....


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    #2978
    topmanamillion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    alloywheel wrote: »
    The country is not importing teachers to replace disloyal teachers who go swanning around the world, but if it makes you feel better all students should have to repay part of their subsidised education costs if they flee the country after 3rd level and give other countries the benefit of their education, paid by the taxpayer here.

    This exact strawman argument regularly shows up on these types of threads.

    A simple question.

    Have you or are you in the process of repaying your heavily subsidised primary, secondary and maybe even third level education (everyone's college education is subsidised by the state)?


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    #2979
    [Deleted User]
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    topmanamillion wrote: »
    ....

    Have you or are you in the process of repaying your heavily subsidised primary, secondary and maybe even third level education (everyone's college education is subsidised by the state)?

    Well if you live & work here (at nurse type packages) for years you do payback really.


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    #2980
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    alloywheel wrote: »
    Nurses are trained to work in the health sector and should put something back in to the country ,if they get a greatly subsidised education which they do. In Malaysia for example they have to work 7 years there after qualifying, I believe.
    Why should oil and resources rich countries like Middle Eastern ones and Oz get the benefit of our already trained nurses?

    Because we don't pay them properly and pay/conditions are better abroad


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    #2981
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


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    This is just sickening, laughing and smiling. While cardiac and cancer surgeries are being cancelled.


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    #2982
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,772 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
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    This is just sickening, laughing and smiling while cardiac and cancer surgeries are being cancelled.

    Im sure nurses, doctors and other health care workers laugh and smile when cardiac and cancer surgeries aren't cancelled also.


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    #2983
    alloywheel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭alloywheel


    topmanamillion wrote: »
    Have you or are you in the process of repaying your heavily subsidised primary, secondary and maybe even third level education (everyone's college education is subsidised by the state)?

    Many times over, I have paid a 7 figure sum in tax in my lifetime in Ireland.


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    #2984
    alloywheel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭alloywheel


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
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    This is just sickening, laughing and smiling. While cardiac and cancer surgeries are being cancelled.

    Well they can smile, they are some of the best paid nurses in the world, and holding the country to ransom by looking for even more, by delaying treatment even longer for cancer patients.


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    #2985
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    alloywheel wrote: »
    Well they can smile, they are some of the best paid nurses in the world, and holding the country to ransom by looking for even more, by delaying treatment even longer for cancer patients.

    All power to them! They have my full support!


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    #2986
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
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    This is just sickening, laughing and smiling. While cardiac and cancer surgeries are being cancelled.

    Fair play to them, i think they should withdraw all cover


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    #2987
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,220 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Let's get real.

    Any pay-rise for the nurses will be spent in Copper Face Jacks.

    As a country, we simply can't afford to piss away money like it's 2006.

    The nurses need to cut down on the socialising and get back to work pronto.

    This is getting ridiculous - someone could die.


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    #2988
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,772 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Let's get real.

    Any pay-rise for the nurses will be spent in Copper Face Jacks.

    As a country, we simply can't afford to piss away money like it's 2006.

    The nurses need to cut down on the socialising and get back to work pronto.

    This is getting ridiculous - someone could die.


    Lovely post full of generalisations there.


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    #2989
    [Deleted User]
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    alloywheel wrote: »
    Many times over, I have paid a 7 figure sum in tax in my lifetime in Ireland.

    You've paid over a million in tax?


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    #2990
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You've paid over a million in tax?

    Keep up the good work. The health service needs your money :)


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    #2991
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    Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You've paid over a million in tax?

    Income tax, prsi, usc... VAT... all combined loads of folk would do so over 30/40 years.

    The income tax people on €60k+ salaries pay is fairly high in monetary terms ....not even looking at %s.


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    #2992
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Let's get real.

    Any pay-rise for the nurses will be spent in Copper Face Jacks.

    As a country, we simply can't afford to piss away money like it's 2006.

    The nurses need to cut down on the socialising and get back to work pronto.

    This is getting ridiculous - someone could die.

    It was found for the TDs!!!!!!!

    Theres 124 migrants in a hotel near me


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    #2993
    alloywheel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭alloywheel


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    It was found for the TDs!!!!!!!

    Theres 124 migrants in a hotel near me

    And that is why the nurses (already among the worlds best paid nurses) should not get it. Because if they do, the ambulance and physios and teachers and cleaners and everyone else in the public service will say "it was found for the nurses" and they will break their pay agreements too.

    The country was here in 2006, lets not make the same mistake again.
    The country is 200 billion in the red.


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    #2994
    Ginger83
    Registered Users Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭Ginger83


    alloywheel wrote: »
    And that is why the nurses (already among the worlds best paid nurses) should not get it. Because if they do, the ambulance and physios and teachers and cleaners and everyone else in the public service will say "it was found for the nurses" and they will break their pay agreements too.

    The country was here in 2006, lets not make the same mistake again.
    The country is 200 billion in the red.

    but its ok for the tds.......


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    #2995
    Flyingsnowball
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭Flyingsnowball


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    but its ok for the tds.......

    A swirling toilet.

    The tds get it
    The nurses get it
    The bus drivers get it
    The train drivers get it
    The luas drivers get it
    The Garda get it
    They raise the taxes
    The rest pay for it

    A fecal merry go round.

    Leo will be the strong leader who stops this shameful problem we have.


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    #2996
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,772 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    but its ok for the tds.......


    And the Gardai. €80,000,000 pulled outta the FG arse pocket a few years back.


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    #2997
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,388 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Ginger83 wrote: »
    but its ok for the tds.......

    Which is a relative drop in the ocean compared to public service- we have 160 tds...there’s over 40k Nurses alone. Do the maths


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    #2998
    alloywheel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭alloywheel


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    And the Gardai. €80,000,000 pulled outta the FG arse pocket a few years back.


    Two wrongs do not make a right.

    In other countries public sector pay and private sector pay are the same.

    In Ireland the public sector gets much more on average.


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    #2999
    Twenty Grand
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    Flyingsnowball wrote: »
    A swirling toilet.

    The tds get it
    The nurses get it
    The bus drivers get it
    The train drivers get it
    The luas drivers get it
    The Garda get it
    They raise the taxes
    The rest pay for it

    A fecal merry go round.

    Leo will be the strong leader who stops this shameful problem we have.

    Funny how no one pays any attention to all the other staff the public service employ.

    All the executive officers, accountants, auditors, revenue officers and the like who get paid very good wages as it's recognised they'll just pop into the private sector if they get a better offer.


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    #3000
    Flyingsnowball
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭Flyingsnowball


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    Funny how no one pays any attention to all the other staff the public service employ.

    All the executive officers, accountants, auditors, revenue officers and the like who get paid very good wages as it's recognised they'll just pop into the private sector if they get a better offer.

    Ye the people who count the money arnt important in your utopia.
    Just keep swirling the toilet until we go bankrupt


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    #3001
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    Flyingsnowball wrote: »
    Ye the people who count the money arnt important in your utopia.
    Just keep swirling the toilet until we go bankrupt

    Never said they weren't important. Just noticed they're never in the spotlight when people talk about pay.

    There's 17 government departments, yet people only focus on the same 3 or 4.


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