AEW - All Elite Wrestling (*Spoilers for Latest Show*)

Agent Coulson

3 games by the look of it.

Console, Mobile and PC?

gerrybbadd

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Welp you've jinxed it Gerry.

Ah FFS! I did it seems.

It will be interesting nonetheless, to see how Yukes fair here. There was a lot of talk at the time of the split away from 2K, that Yukes wanted to do more with the game, but were stuck in a development hell on an annual cycle, enforced by WWE & 2K.

beakerjoe

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

In two minds over this. On one hand the WWE specials using WCW names have proven to be a ratings winner. On the other, while the occasional alluding to WCW is cool (and it makes sense given the TNT link) I don't like the idea of AEW setting themselves up as WCW 2.0 plus they have no video footage of those events to call upon.

I am glad though that Cody is back to using the Rhodes name, it has cache and feels right.

WWE seems to have gotten the better deal here if it was a trade off.

Like the Rhodes name will add small value to Codys overall character, but lets face it its not gonna change things a whole lot now is it. Im sure it personally meant alot to Cody.

But as a business EVP decision, it appears a poor deal for AEW on face value

The Cody Rhodes name does little for WWE. It doesnt do a whole lot for AEW.

The PPV name copyrights is a gain for WWE. Nostalgia sells and these can made a difference marketing wise.

A selfish decision by Cody IMO. Well on the face if it at least

Agent Coulson

Cody may not have even won the copyright to the PPV names anyway the WWE could have challenged saying they we part of the deal when they bought out WCW and it's video library which they stream on the Network.

He just registered for them he didn't own them and there was no decision made by the patent department they were is on the waiting list to be seen.

sky88

I don’t think the last name adds anything to Cody right now he’s become a much bigger star without it the last few years

Agent Coulson

1 Console game 2 mobile games

No Mercy style console game, GM simulator game and a casino game.

CastorTroy

Surprised they allow TNT to keep the name, especially if they lose.
And The Acclaimed (Anthony Bowens, Max Caster) are now signed with AEW. Clearly enjoyed the pre match dissing.

Surely the Top flight pin wasn't legal?

Speaking of not being legal, I meant to mention a tag in the Bucks/FTR match that clearly wasn't a legal tag but was allowed. One of FTR carried a Buck and the other FTR guy tagged the Buck's back instead of his partner.

Agent Coulson

Tony Khan on Twitter is teasing some massive surprises.

LineOfBeauty

CastorTroy wrote: »

Surprised they allow TNT to keep the name, especially if they lose.
And The Acclaimed (Anthony Bowens, Max Caster) are now signed with AEW. Clearly enjoyed the pre match dissing.

Surely the Top flight pin wasn't legal?

Speaking of not being legal, I meant to mention a tag in the Bucks/FTR match that clearly wasn't a legal tag but was allowed. One of FTR carried a Buck and the other FTR guy tagged the Buck's back instead of his partner.

I know it's the gimmick but God I hate that level of scrutiny in pro wrestling. The downside is that you stick meticulously to an arbitrary set of rules that just eliminates so many styles of wrestling. The gimmick sucks.

Agent Coulson

On Dark I did like Excalibur taking the p1ss out of The Nightmare Family just adding members when Ricky said Taz should look at Top Flight for Team Taz.

CastorTroy

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

I know it's the gimmick but God I hate that level of scrutiny in pro wrestling. The downside is that you stick meticulously to an arbitrary set of rules that just eliminates so many styles of wrestling. The gimmick sucks.

I just saw it and remembered someone said before about FTR wanting hand to hand tags and not liking slapping the back. So thought it was funny that slapping the back of an opponent was legal.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

On Dark I did like Excalibur taking the p1ss out of The Nightmare Family just adding members when Ricky said Taz should look at Top Flight for Team Taz.

Think was Taz who said it. Said something like "This isn't the Nightmare Family. We don't just randomly add people"

J. Marston

The fúck was that stuff with Cody and the woman?

hynesie08

J. Marston wrote: »

The fúck was that stuff with Cody and the woman?

It was a bit all over the place, but cody vs shaq? Maybe it'll be the same night as the jericho tyson match that's definitely happening......

That bunkhouse match was fantastic, I'd say it pisses cody off that dustin is every bit dustys son......

Lithium93_

Kenny Omega vs Jon Moxley for the AEW World Championship on the December 2nd episode of Dynamite.

J. Marston

That's the last time I'm paying any attention to Tony Khan's hype.

"Change the face of wrestling forever."

"Please wait until the main event, it'll be worth it."

All for the roided up return of the 2nd best 205 Live champion ever.

sky88

ahh wrestling companies over hyping a segment is nothing new

a 48 year old shaq vs cody just seems like a terrible thing


but it gets eyes on the product I suppose

The White Wolf

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Kenny Omega vs Jon Moxley for the AEW World Championship on the December 2nd episode of Dynamite.

Strange....they better deliver.

sky88

im guessing the title match on tv cause mox might be going to japan for wrestlekingdom which has 2 week quarentine rules i think

LineOfBeauty

J. Marston wrote: »

That's the last time I'm paying any attention to Tony Khan's hype.

"Change the face of wrestling forever."

"Please wait until the main event, it'll be worth it."

All for the roided up return of the 2nd best 205 Live champion ever.

Or... Wrestling promoter talks up his wrestling show.

And delivering Shaq in ring would be a big deal.

AND what an utterly bizarre way to refer to PAC. Not only a recognisable star but also one of the best wrestlers on the planet (easy top 5 pick in 2019). Imagine thinking getting PAC back on your roster isn't a big deal.

J. Marston

Star is generous.

For me he's just another in a long line of great wrestler/nothing character which wrestling is saturated with these days.

LineOfBeauty

J. Marston wrote: »

Star is generous.

For me he's just another in a long line of great wrestler/nothing character which wrestling is saturated with these days.

Star wise he's just the level below your Omega and Cody's. He's been an ever present in top level American and Japanese companies for the last decade. High visibility, and often a stand out.

That's off too. The character couldn't be more simple he's a bastard! I'm gonna flip your comment and say his Open The Dream Gate run last year was the best character work in all of wrestling and really up there with any character work you'll see anywhere.

There is no roster anywhere that does not improve from PAC in a prominent position on it. None.

ConcertKing

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Star wise he's just the level below your Omega and Cody's. He's been an ever present in top level American and Japanese companies for the last decade. High visibility, and often a stand out.

That's off too. The character couldn't be more simple he's a bastard! I'm gonna flip your comment and say his Open The Dream Gate run last year was the best character work in all of wrestling and really up there with any character work you'll see anywhere.

There is no roster anywhere that does not improve from PAC in a prominent position on it. None.

I personally think PAC could get to the level of Cody and Omega myself once pushed right!

I for one was pumped at him being back last night and look forward to the Death Triangle reforming and seeing where they go with it!

Also Eddie Kingston is a breath of fresh air and love what a heartless bastard he is!Loved his little snakey kick when pushing Ray Fenix out of the ring after his match!

Really enjoyed the Bunkhouse match even though I believe the wrong team won!Dustin is one tough bastard!

And must admit I got it hugely wrong about Ricky Starks!Saw nothing in him when he first joined but I have gone completely 360 on him and believe he will go on to be one of the biggest names in all of wrestling!

Starks just has it and is cool as hell!

The White Wolf

I'd call PAC a star based on today's audience, but that's not high praise.

There's the WWE tier where social media means there's a a decent chance you might be known outside of the pro wrestling bubble. I mean for example I'd reckon more people know who the Miz is than Mox or Omega whom I'd put in the "tier below".

If we're being truthful nobody outside of being a regular fan would know who PAC is.

LineOfBeauty

The White Wolf wrote: »

I'd call PAC a star based on today's audience, but that's not high praise.

There's the WWE tier where social media means there's a a decent chance you might be known outside of the pro wrestling bubble. I mean for example I'd reckon more people know who the Miz is than Mox or Omega whom I'd put in the "tier below".

If we're being truthful nobody outside of being a regular fan would know who PAC is.

But you have to keep in mind 2 things. The 1st is that PAC is a star among the audience that AEW appeals to (and was created by) which is a hardcore wrestling fanbase disenfranchised by WWE. These people know PAC's story and history WWE and beyond. These are the people who watch the show, purchase the PPVs and it's on their backs that the company even exists.

The 2nd thing is that even if you disregard everything that PAC has done outside of AEW, in this company he has always been presented as a star. He's a guy that clearly can challenge for the World Title, they gave him his own faction and his singles match with Omega remains an easy top 5 match in company history. If you look at it purely from the perspective of the AEW bubble and that fanbase, this is a big returning star.

sky88

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

But you have to keep in mind 2 things. The 1st is that PAC is a star among the audience that AEW appeals to (and was created by) which is a hardcore wrestling fanbase disenfranchised by WWE. These people know PAC's story and history WWE and beyond. These are the people who watch the show, purchase the PPVs and it's on their backs that the company even exists.

The 2nd thing is that even if you disregard everything that PAC has done outside of AEW, in this company he has always been presented as a star. He's a guy that clearly can challenge for the World Title, they gave him his own faction and his singles match with Omega remains an easy top 5 match in company history. If you look at it purely from the perspective of the AEW bubble and that fanbase, this is a big returning star.

is this not what is the big issue with wrestling in general these days that its only appealing to their own bubble and why ratings in general arent great for wrestling

RollieFingers

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Star wise he's just the level below your Omega and Cody's. He's been an ever present in top level American and Japanese companies for the last decade. High visibility, and often a stand out.

That's off too. The character couldn't be more simple he's a bastard! I'm gonna flip your comment and say his Open The Dream Gate run last year was the best character work in all of wrestling and really up there with any character work you'll see anywhere.

There is no roster anywhere that does not improve from PAC in a prominent position on it. None.

Anyone saying PAC is a nothing character is just plain wrong.

If your only exposure to him is in the world of sports entertainment then maybe I guess, but in the world of pro-wrestling he is a brilliant character. As you said his Dream Gate run was one of the best things in wrestling in 2019.

Another really good Dynamite too, the Bunkouse match was a cracker. Buzzing for Mox/Omega now, glad we don't have to wait too long for it.

LineOfBeauty

sky88 wrote: »

is this not what is the big issue with wrestling in general these days that its only appealing to their own bubble and why ratings in general arent great for wrestling

Honestly I don't see how the two are linked. Short of bringing in a Rock level megastar to pop a number you aren't getting the casual viewer. They can try to organically build their audience by creating stars and I believe PAC is one of those. But whether PAC hooks imaginary casual viewers is a non issue primarily because they are imaginary. AEW, like WWE, have their hardcore audience, mostly you can predict accurately the ratings both companies shows will do. You can try to gain new viewers, but that comes from having characters that engage the viewer, stories that resonate with the viewer and excitement.

PAC is a star in the eyes of their audience, therefore he's a star. The debates about PAC and gaining new viewers isn't linked. Two totally separate things.

J. Marston

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Honestly I don't see how the two are linked. Short of bringing in a Rock level megastar to pop a number you aren't getting the casual viewer. They can try to organically build their audience by creating stars and I believe PAC is one of those. But whether PAC hooks imaginary casual viewers is a non issue primarily because they are imaginary. AEW, like WWE, have their hardcore audience, mostly you can predict accurately the ratings both companies shows will do. You can try to gain new viewers, but that comes from having characters that engage the viewer, stories that resonate with the viewer and excitement.

PAC is a star in the eyes of their audience, therefore he's a star. The debates about PAC and gaining new viewers isn't linked. Two totally separate things.

That is true. I predict 800k for AEW and 710k for NXT today. I'm probably not gonna be wrong by much.

LineOfBeauty

J. Marston wrote: »

That is true. I predict 800k for AEW and 710k for NXT today. I'm probably not gonna be wrong by much.

I'll probably go 820k for Dynamite with the post ppv bump, a. 32 in the demo and 660k for NXT and a. 16 in the demo.

Basically it's just splitting hairs at this point. Especially til crowds come back maybe then we'll start to see different trends.

The White Wolf

RollieFingers wrote: »

Anyone saying PAC is a nothing character is just plain wrong.

If your only exposure to him is in the world of sports entertainment then maybe I guess, but in the world of pro-wrestling he is a brilliant character. As you said his Dream Gate run was one of the best things in wrestling in 2019.

Another really good Dynamite too, the Bunkouse match was a cracker. Buzzing for Mox/Omega now, glad we don't have to wait too long for it.

I agree that PAC has been doing some of the best character work in the business for awhile now, from his heel run in WWE onwards.

It's just hard to define what a star is in the business now. What constitutes it? Cody for example is the person I would call the biggest star in AEW right now as his profile goes beyond professional wrestling with his acting gigs. He's capable of generating buzz beyond professional wrestling.

Speaking Cody, I think that Shaq stuff is a red herring. I'd say it's someone else.