Almost every position the left has, is actually just an attack on Christian beliefs?

ancapailldorcha

Sonics2k wrote: »

I mean, freedom of speech is a core value of the left? Traditionally speaking it was the right that worked against it?

Hell, the Patriot Act was introduced by a Republican president and a Republican controlled Congress and House. The act quite literally gives the Government the right to view and access all your information. Pretty damn Orwellian if you ask me.

Zorya

The lack of constructive argument responding to substantive posts is very annoying on these threads. People pile in on top of silly indefensible positions - and yes, they exist here- like a scrum on top of a pimple. Boot that little pimple to death!

And meanwhile they deflect from and ignore the great festering cancerous lumps of contradictory ideology that are coming to the fore in modern society.

Like 'progessive' gender politics that has little boys twerking half naked before adult drag queens in the street being described as brave. An amaaaazing story for mainstream news to drool over. It is not amazing. It is a ugly travesty of ''freedom''.


And the tentacles from Judith Butler's insidious gender ideology having small kids convinced that feeling they have been born in the wrong body is not only a sensible position to hold, but one that should be chemically and surgically affirmed asap. Boys have periods too, for goodness sake. Deconstruction for its own sake. To hell with the fallout.

That is until the ideology changes and confirmation itself is decided to be barbaric - then what are these people going to do with the walking wounded they have left in their wake?

Those people are already being abandoned as the ideology evolves. It eats its own. Girls who have had radical mastectomies at 16. Boys who have reduced their bone density and been left with pre pubescent pensises. Young people who are infertile because at one point the ideology said they should medically intervene with their bodies. They are the sacrifices that have been offered up as people flail around trying to make sense out of what is incoherent.

I feel sorry about all this really. I have a strong suspicion that there has been serious disruption of physiological processes because of pervasive xeno-hormones in the environment which permeate every space nowadays, starting from conception in the womb. The feminisation of water-dwelling animal species is apparent. It is due to chemicals. It is a problem in the ecology, the biosphere. We see it in humans with drastically falling sperm counts, soaring breast cancer rates, and yes, in my opinion, potentially it may be at least partly responsible for growing gender dysphoria.

And instead of trying to find out what is going on we embrace an ideology that says this is the new normal, the new healthy.

If it is the new normal - which may be irreversibly so due to chemicals - people should be taught instead how to live comfortably, contentedly in the bodies they have without savaging them on operating tables or with elective chemicals.



Some day people are going to look back on these days as having been truly moronic.

DS86DS

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually our personal freedom is far more under assault from capitalist entities like Facebook and Google. No left, or right, only money. Sure they get accused of pushing right and left values, but they'd push fascism if it returned a profit. Look at Facebook, they give donations to both sides of the US political fence. Of course the bigger issue is how so many willingly sign up to this brave new world. Ah sure I've noting to hide. The statement of the extremely naive or the extremely moronic.

I actually agree with you about Facebook and Google. These two are monolith monopolies of online free speech, and it's not right.

They've already banned multiple right wing platforms, including Alex Jones ...who I don't even like and I find annoying......but nonetheless I belief he has the right to express his belief.


The only people supporting such tight controls of speech on social media from the Capitalist side are the Corporatist Cronies like the Koch Brothers




I honestly hate my Left Wing opponents at times....but I want to debate them, not censor them.

Wibbs

Try_harder wrote: »

What part of my answer could you not understand???

Oh I understand it only too well.

When asked about the sexualisation of kids clothing, you came back with this:

Try_harder wrote: »

Im not a parent I wont patent others kids

Total cop out.
When it was suggested by another poster that "anything goes? you came back with

Try_harder wrote: »

I didnt say that. As long as its within the law

Yet another cop out. Plenty of things were and remain within the law that we know now to be dodgy. It being illegal to be Gay for one. Was it OK to be anti homosexuality? That was within and supported by law and not too long ago.

And that's just the last two posts of yours.

Then we add in your "loaded question" stuff. Is it only loaded because the kid's gay and this particular example is happening in the gay "world"? That any negative reply on your part might somehow get your rainbow in a twist? Would you be more forthcoming if it were a little girl dressed like a streetwalker dancing for dollars in front of adults? I suspect you would. As a heterosexual I have zero problem saying there exists various subsections of that sexual preference that are creepy all the way to repugnant deviants, so why is it such an issue to say the same of various subsections among homosexual preference?

Cienciano

Zorya wrote: »

The lack of constructive argument responding to substantive posts is very annoying on these threads. People pile in on top of silly indefensible positions - and yes, they exist here- like a scrum on top of a pimple. Boot that little pimple to death!

Problem is, too many people have decided it's a football game. Their side is left or right. No matter what their side does it must be defended. This type of arguing goes hyper on messageboards when people hide behind usernames. Here's a guy who's right wing twitter profile became public:

https://nypost.com/2013/03/24/fdny-ems-lt-spews-racist-anti-semitic-tweets-but-cried-when-confronted/

Between trolling, hiding behind names and "football team politics", you'll almost never get a real debate online.

DS86DS wrote: »

They've already banned multiple right wing platforms, including Alex Jones ...who I don't even like and I find annoying......but nonetheless I belief he has the right to express his belief.

Alex Jones still has free speech. As companies, the likes of facebook and twitter are not obligated to provide a platform for what he says. Facebook and Twitter have that freedom too. Unless you want government regulate and tell companies what they can and can't show the public. Like China does.

rossie1977

DS86DS wrote: »

They've already banned multiple right wing platforms, including Alex Jones ...who I don't even like and I find annoying......but nonetheless I belief he has the right to express his belief.

They banned him and others because they are inciting violence against people who don't share the same beliefs. Jones even made a call to arms of his followers which is one of main reasons he was banned.

If Facebook etc were banning ordinary conservatives why is Trump still on Twitter or Charlie Kirk or Candice Owens or every member of the Republican party.

Social media or forums like this don't abide by freedom of speech laws. You break the rules you get banned, simple regardless whether you are left/right wing, conservative or liberal, Christian, Muslim or atheist.

Even 4chan the supposed bastion of free-speech online has multiple rules you must adhere to.

DS86DS

Pro-Spain, Pro-Right party gaining ground in Spain in recent weeks


https://www.npr.org/2018/12/03/672820650/anti-immigrant-party-breaks-socialist-stronghold-in-spain



Spain along with Trump's America and Italy and Hungary is waking up


Spain for Spaniards and Europe for Europeans.

God Bless Spain....the spirit of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella at work

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

DS86DS wrote: »

I honestly hate my Left Wing opponents at times....but I want to debate them, not censor them.

No, you don't you want to call them names.

DS86DS wrote: »

Please read the works of Buckley, I'm sure you'll find some enlightenment in his words.


The Western tradition of freedom is under assault from leftists who want to turn us into Communist China....and hence George Orwell's 1984

Open your mind to the Conservative Western mode of mind.

DS86DS wrote: »

The old "but THAT is not true Communism" that the Left loves to mention.

Always defending their extreme left wing views, regardless of the death count and human rights abuses.

DS86DS wrote: »

I guess I shouldn't be posting about Conservative authors.

Only Leftist good old boys like Xi Jinping that Liberal Commies approve of.

Liberal commies genuinely made me laugh

DS86DS wrote: »

I think you'll find its Liberals who are dumping their cultural diarrhoea on the rest of us. Most traditionalists talk common sense and have facts and real life events to back up their beliefs.

Liberals live in a fairytale land and choose to believe the most irrational beliefs about multiculturalism, regardless of what evidence there is to the contrary.

Liberal Leftists are ideological fanatics and couldn't care less if the world around them burns down, providing they get their way.

And this little doozie.

DS86DS wrote: »

What is it with brain dead leftists that put all of this at the feet of Europeans, and only Europeans? Why are leftists so lazy that they cannot even study some history to see that all cultures have engaged in these activities?

And as for slavery and torture, it was white Christians who were first to abolish these activities. They are STILL happening in the Islamic World.

And that's just the last couple of days.

So... yeah. Whatever you're here for it's not debating with leftists.

Doctor Jimbob

DS86DS wrote: »

Pro-Spain, Pro-Right party gaining ground in Spain in recent weeks


https://www.npr.org/2018/12/03/672820650/anti-immigrant-party-breaks-socialist-stronghold-in-spain



Spain along with Trump's America and Italy and Hungary is waking up


Spain for Spaniards and Europe for Europeans.

God Bless Spain....the spirit of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella at work

You say you want to debate but all you're doing is posting random links, insulting people, refusing to engage in any discussion on said links, then moving on to the next topic.

DS86DS

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

You say you want to debate but all you're doing is posting random links, insulting people, refusing to engage in any discussion on said links, then moving on to the next topic.

Completely untrue. I have been most open to opponents throughout this thread

DS86DS

I know Commies hate Patriotism.... but here's a song from Spain

Long-live Spain..,.... long live Europe


https://youtu.be/Koe9NAby8Vs

FTA69

DS86DS wrote: »

You Liberals always complain about us Traditionalists who defend traditional European and American values.

But guess what that tradition includes allowing stupid annoying Leftists having their freedom of speech too. As Voltaire once said

"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"


THAT is the tradition that Conservatives in Europe and America are trying to preserve.......even for Liberals who bite the hand that feeds them liberty.

They talk all day about the glories of a Left Wing society, when in reality...their society is straight out of George Orwell's 1984


https://youtu.be/eViswN602_k

I'm not a liberal. I'm a socialist. They're two different things. You don't know what you're talking about. You're just parroting a load of stuff you've seen on the internet.

FTA69

DS86DS wrote: »

I know Commies hate Patriotism.... but here's a song from Spain

Long-live Spain..,.... long live Europe


https://youtu.be/Koe9NAby8Vs

Lol I don't think a load of Galician-speaking trad musicians would go in for the Viva España lark mate.

DS86DS

My Dad was American who passed away 4 years ago and he passed on his treasure trove of Conservative Thought to me

My father loved Ireland and I will continue to fight for Ireland in his name against Leftists and Liberals


https://youtu.be/5hr64MxYpgk

SkepticQuark

Zorya wrote: »

The lack of constructive argument responding to substantive posts is very annoying on these threads. People pile in on top of silly indefensible positions - and yes, they exist here- like a scrum on top of a pimple. Boot that little pimple to death!

And meanwhile they deflect from and ignore the great festering cancerous lumps of contradictory ideology that are coming to the fore in modern society.

Like 'progessive' gender politics that has little boys twerking half naked before adult drag queens in the street being described as brave. An amaaaazing story for mainstream news to drool over. It is not amazing. It is a ugly travesty of ''freedom''.


And the tentacles from Judith Butler's insidious gender ideology having small kids convinced that feeling they have been born in the wrong body is not only a sensible position to hold, but one that should be chemically and surgically affirmed asap. Boys have periods too, for goodness sake. Deconstruction for its own sake. To hell with the fallout.

That is until the ideology changes and confirmation itself is decided to be barbaric - then what are these people going to do with the walking wounded they have left in their wake?

Those people are already being abandoned as the ideology evolves. It eats its own. Girls who have had radical mastectomies at 16. Boys who have reduced their bone density and been left with pre pubescent pensises. Young people who are infertile because at one point the ideology said they should medically intervene with their bodies. They are the sacrifices that have been offered up as people flail around trying to make sense out of what is incoherent.

I feel sorry about all this really. I have a strong suspicion that there has been serious disruption of physiological processes because of pervasive xeno-hormones in the environment which permeate every space nowadays, starting from conception in the womb. The feminisation of water-dwelling animal species is apparent. It is due to chemicals. It is a problem in the ecology, the biosphere. We see it in humans with drastically falling sperm counts, soaring breast cancer rates, and yes, in my opinion, potentially it may be at least partly responsible for growing gender dysphoria.

And instead of trying to find out what is going on we embrace an ideology that says this is the new normal, the new healthy.

If it is the new normal - which may be irreversibly so due to chemicals - people should be taught instead how to live comfortably, contentedly in the bodies they have without savaging them on operating tables or with elective chemicals.



Some day people are going to look back on these days as having been truly moronic.

I'm not sure how "substantive" you yourself are given the post reads like an Alex Jones mixed with a hint of Ben Shapiro segment.

ohnonotgmail

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

You say you want to debate but all you're doing is posting random links, insulting people, refusing to engage in any discussion on said links, then moving on to the next topic.

DS86DS wrote: »

Completely untrue. I have been most open to opponents throughout this thread

followed immediately by

DS86DS wrote: »

I know Commies hate Patriotism.... but here's a song from Spain

Long-live Spain..,.... long live Europe


https://youtu.be/Koe9NAby8Vs

*BLINKS* *BLINKS*

ohnonotgmail

DS86DS wrote: »

My Dad was American who passed away 4 years ago and he passed on his treasure trove of Conservative Thought to me

My father loved Ireland and I will continue to fight for Ireland in his name against Leftists and Liberals


https://youtu.be/5hr64MxYpgk

I see you have decided to turn the thread into your own version of Top of the Pops.

Zorya

DS86DS wrote: »

My Dad was American who passed away 4 years ago and he passed on his treasure trove of Conservative Thought to me

My father loved Ireland and I will continue to fight for Ireland in his name against Leftists and Liberals


]

It does not seem logical to fight against groups. Or even to be in a group to be honest. It is better to fight for individual ideas that you have considered and against ideas likewise. Any group can have good and bad ideas. That's the problem really, aligning oneself come what may with a 'group' and then detesting the other group regardless of good ideas they may have. That's not thinking; that's indoctrination.

DS86DS

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I see you have decided to turn the thread into your own version of Top of the Pops.

No I haven't...... I'm defending Ireland...the ancient Celtic land against Liberal and Communist scum......

I will always defend Ireland

ohnonotgmail

DS86DS wrote: »

No I haven't...... I'm defending Ireland...the ancient Celtic land against Liberal and Communist scum......

I will always defend Ireland

by posting a Mike and the Mechanics song? how exactly is that defending ireland?

Zorya

roddy15 wrote: »

I'm not sure how "substantive" you yourself are given the post reads like an Alex Jones mixed with a hint of Ben Shapiro segment.

Does it now? Care to expound or just executing a drive by?

ElChe32

DS86DS wrote:

No I haven't...... I'm defending Ireland...the ancient Celtic land against Liberal and Communist scum......

I will sleep soundly, safe in the knowledge you are out there..defending us all from behind your keyboard.

hill16bhoy

Can the far right not see that they're pushing bog standard reactionary right-wingers towards left-wing liberalism with the sort of nonsense we've seen from them in this thread and so many others?

I mean 35 years ago both my parents were staunch, mass going pro-lifers who voted for the 8th Amendment, yet they were both solid Yes voters in both the same sex marriage referendum and the recent referendum on the 8th Amendment.

I think a lot of that is because of the perpetual shrieking outrage from the Catholic fundies in the media at how other people want to live their lives.

This perpetual shrieking outrage really is doing the reactionary right no good at all, yet they aren't smart enough to see that.

DS86DS

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Can the far right not see that they're pushing bog standard reactionary right-wingers towards left-wing liberalism with the sort of nonsense we've seen from them in this thread and so many others?

I mean 35 years ago both my parents were staunch, mass going pro-lifers who voted for the 8th Amendment, yet they were both solid Yes voters in both the same sex marriage referendum and the recent referendum on the 8th Amendment.

I think a lot of that is because of the perpetual shrieking outrage from the Catholic fundies in the media at how other people want to live their lives.

This perpetual shrieking outrage really is doing the reactionary right no good at all, yet they aren't smart enough to see that.

You were banned from this forum

Why are you back here

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

DS86DS wrote: »

Completely untrue. I have been most open to opponents throughout this thread

DS86DS wrote: »

I know Commies hate Patriotism.... but here's a song from Spain

Long-live Spain..,.... long live Europe


https://youtu.be/Koe9NAby8Vs

Ruraldweller56

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Can the far right not see that they're pushing bog standard reactionary right-wingers towards left-wing liberalism with the sort of nonsense we've seen from them in this thread and so many others?

I mean 35 years ago both my parents were staunch, mass going pro-lifers who voted for the 8th Amendment, yet they were both solid Yes voters in both the same sex marriage referendum and the recent referendum on the 8th Amendment.

I think a lot of that is because of the perpetual shrieking outrage from the Catholic fundies in the media at how other people want to live their lives.

This perpetual shrieking outrage really is doing the reactionary right no good at all, yet they aren't smart enough to see that.

Who was it founded that club you support? Who got it up and running when it had no money?

Is it rainbow flags or Palestine flags this week? Maybe something about how one of our strikers is a 'racist' and has no place at the club. Maybe something to do with illegal drugs.

I love Celtic but the stands are home to some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

hill16bhoy

DS86DS wrote: »

You were banned from this forum

Why are you back here

More far right outrage!

Doctor Jimbob

DS86DS wrote: »

You were banned from this forum

Why are you back here

Thought you were in favour of free speech

hill16bhoy

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Who was it founded that club you support? Who got it up and running when it had no money?

Is it rainbow flags or Palestine flags this week? Maybe something about how one of our strikers is a 'racist' and has no place at the club. Maybe something to do with illegal drugs.

I love Celtic but the stands are home to some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

It was Brother Walfrid, that's fairly common knowledge.

I find it strange that you're under the impression that anybody who supports Celtic has to have Roman Catholic fundamentalist beliefs.

Especially that Celtic has never discriminated on the basis of religion or anything else.

You seem to be demanding that they should? Why?

And no more than everybody who has ever worked with Fr. Peter McVerry has Roman Catholic fundamentalist beliefs.

Why do you think these stupid things?

Ruraldweller56

hill16bhoy wrote: »

It was Brother Walfrid, that's fairly common knowledge.

I find it strange that you're under the impression that anybody who supports Celtic has to have Roman Catholic fundamentalist beliefs.

Especially that Celtic has never discriminated on the basis of religion or anything else.

You seem to be demanding that they should? Why?

And no more than everybody who has ever worked with Fr. Peter McVerry has Roman Catholic fundamentalist beliefs.

Why do you think these stupid things?

I don't think them.

You're the one slobbering on about your disdain for "Catholic fundies" and a love of left wing crap when it was right wing businessmen and a "Catholic fundie" that created the club you support. Seems to be becoming more and more prevalent down the years.

The hypocrisy is incredible.