Formula 1 2019 - General Discussion Thread

El_Duderino 09

mickdw wrote: »

Very true but the simplicity of the design of the cars from that era makes them look just about right to the eye.

It looks simple now. But at the time it was the cutting edge, most high tech, most down force, most intricate wings. No doubt people looked at that car and pines for the good old days when things were simpler.

elperello

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It looks simple now. But at the time it was the cutting edge, most high tech, most down force, most intricate wings. No doubt people looked at that car and pines for the good old days when things were simpler.

I think all generations if they close their eyes and try to visualise a "racing car" will tend to return to an earlier time.

By the way I heard Martin Brundle saying that the McLaren was the 54th Formula 1 car he has driven.

El_Duderino 09

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Sainz will end up on the podium in the next year or 2, 77 races is almost 4 seasons. If the McLaren chassis keeps improving then with a Mercedes engine it’ll happen in 21 or sooner

We'll, there you have it. 2 bloke's get their first podium and poor Hulk watches on.

It was a bit of a lottery today particularly with sainz starting at the back. But Gasley was having a. Good race.

For another car to get on the podium it took a Mercedes engine retirement, 2 ferraris taking each other out, and Hamilton to crash Into albon which dropped them both down.

5of the top 6 out of contention. Absolutely astronomical odds of that kind of thing happening.

recyclebin

Yeah, only way anyone else bar the top 6 can get near a podium is by them taking each other out or rain or well timed safety car. On raw speed there is no chance.

Cork Trucker

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

We'll, there you have it. 2 bloke's get their first podium and poor Hulk watches on.

It was a bit of a lottery today particularly with sainz starting at the back. But Gasley was having a. Good race.

For another car to get on the podium it took a Mercedes engine retirement, 2 ferraris taking each other out, and Hamilton to crash Into albon which dropped them both down.

5of the top 6 out of contention. Absolutely astronomical odds of that kind of thing happening.

It must be the luck of Boards.ie :pac: No sooner were we Discussing Sainz and it happened Great result for Gasly, mightily impressed with the Honda engine against the Mercedes up the hill, Gasly admitted that Bottas/Stroll in Baku was playing on his mind when it was happening. The only pity for Sainz was that he could not stand on the podium in real time. Hulkenberg will keep the record for a bit longer, who is next up for it? All the events that happened in the race is how it should be every weekend, loads of action, not processions as we had for the first 5 races of the season.

muckwarrior

The last time a McLaren driver stood on the podium they hadn't really earned it.
Now they finally earned a podium but didn't get to stand on it.

Cork Trucker

muckwarrior wrote: »

The last time a McLaren driver stood on the podium they hadn't really earned it.
Now they finally earned a podium but didn't get to stand on it.

Magnussen 2nd & Button 3rd after Ricciardo was disqualified from 2nd for a fuel flow issue in Melbourne 2014.

Ironically that would be the last time Button would be classified with a podium finish even if he didn't physically stand on it, that came in Brazil 2012 following his victory, where a certain then Force India driver could have potentially taken victory, the same guy's name eludes me (i joke :pac:) in the way podiums have eluded him

muckwarrior

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Magnussen 2nd & Button 3rd after Ricciardo was disqualified from 2nd for a fuel flow issue in Melbourne 2014.

Ironically that would be the last time Button would be classified with a podium finish even if he didn't physically stand on it, that came in Brazil 2012 following his victory, where a certain then Force India driver could have potentially taken victory, the same guy's name eludes me (i joke :pac:) in the way podiums have eluded him

I was talking about this



And ironically they were both in Brazil!

Cork Trucker

muckwarrior wrote: »

I was talking about this



And ironically they were both in Brazil!

Ah that was a good stunt haha.

chicorytip

Cork Trucker wrote: »

It must be the luck of Boards.ie :pac: No sooner were we Discussing Sainz and it happened Great result for Gasly, mightily impressed with the Honda engine against the Mercedes up the hill, Gasly admitted that Bottas/Stroll in Baku was playing on his mind when it was happening. The only pity for Sainz was that he could not stand on the podium in real time. Hulkenberg will keep the record for a bit longer, who is next up for it? All the events that happened in the race is how it should be every weekend, loads of action, not processions as we had for the first 5 races of the season.

The penalty for Hamilton was ludicrous. The gap was there so he was entitled to attempt the pass. I think he was being sympathetic toward Albon by blaming himself for the collision. He deserved second place and would have beaten Gasly to the line had he not suffered front wing damage.

Cork Trucker

chicorytip wrote: »

The penalty for Hamilton was ludicrous. The gap was there so he was entitled to attempt the pass. I think he was being sympathetic toward Albon by blaming himself for the collision. He deserved second place and would have beaten Gasly to the line had he not suffered front wing damage.

Hardcore Hamilton supporter? The front wing damage was minimal against a Toro Rosso in fairness.

El_Duderino 09

chicorytip wrote: »

The penalty for Hamilton was ludicrous. The gap was there so he was entitled to attempt the pass. I think he was being sympathetic toward Albon by blaming himself for the collision. He deserved second place and would have beaten Gasly to the line had he not suffered front wing damage.

The apex is very late in that corner. And he had no chance of making the apex. So while the contact was late in the corner (which usually suggests 50:50) but he had no chance of making the apex so he was in the wrong.

It’s a marginal one so I wouldn’t mind whether there was a penalty or not.

Cork Trucker

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The apex is very late in that corner. And he had no chance of making the apex. So while the contact was late in the corner (which usually suggests 50:50) but he had no chance of making the apex so he was in the wrong.

It’s a marginal one so I wouldn’t mind whether there was a penalty or not.

He had a small lock up going into the corner as well just prior to the collision

Anjobe

Cork Trucker wrote: »

He had a small lock up going into the corner as well just prior to the collision

Probably the significant factor - the fact that he wasn't completely in control caused the collision.

Frank Bullitt

Was this the first Honda engined 1-2 since Spa 1998?

Cork Trucker

Gintonious wrote: »

Was this the first Honda engined 1-2 since Spa 1998?

That was Mugen Honda in 1998, the last actual Honda 1-2 was Berger & Senna in Suzuka 1991, Senna moved the over under the instruction of Ron Dennis I think

Harika

Cork Trucker wrote: »

That was Mugen Honda in 1998, the last actual Honda 1-2 was Berger & Senna in Suzuka 1991, Senna moved the over under the instruction of Ron Dennis I think

Senna was giving it to Gerhard as Gerhard braked at the start of the race for him.

pjohnson

pjohnson wrote: »

Sainz isnt that far away from beating it. Only 77 races behind Hulk and he is only 25 years old. Unless McLaren can get up onto the podium from 2021 I cant see Sainz getting to a bigger team.

Posts that aged absolutely terribly

Think thats me securing the "worst post/prediction in the whole thread" title :pac:


This is probably one of my favourite photos of the year.

Frank Bullitt

Honda confirmed another year in the sport.

AMKC

Gintonious wrote: »

Honda confirmed another year in the sport.

Good news but only for another year? Hopefully they will be there for many years to come.

mickdw

Another year.
Sure they are only up to speed now but of course they have history of pulling out of f1 when it's about to pay off.

El_Duderino 09

AMKC wrote: »

Good news but only for another year? Hopefully they will be there for many years to come.

They’re negotiating terms so pulling out is their best negotiating weapon. So we’ll never know if they’re serious or just negotiating.

Joe Saward was talking about it this week. Same with the Renault team. Because they’re not an established team their best weapon is their withdrawal. So we the viewers will never know if they’re serious or just threatening.

Cork Trucker

No surprise that Latifi has landed the Williams drive for 2020.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12476/11872171/williams-f1-nicholas-latifi-to-replace-robert-kubica-for-2020

El_Duderino 09

Probably fair enough. Latifi is 24 so not a child prodigy but being in contention for the f2 title suggests he's on a good run of form.

Pity for hulk and kubica but probably fair enough. Hulk had had an alright season - but alright is about the peak of his career. He's more or less matched DRic this year so not a good year for him to be at hulk's league. I wonder whether he'll be able to get back to good form.

pjohnson

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Probably fair enough. Latifi is 24 so not a child prodigy but being in contention for the f2 title suggests he's on a good run of form.

Pity for hulk and kubica but probably fair enough. Hulk had had an alright season - but alright is about the peak of his career. He's more or less matched DRic this year so not a good year for him to be at hulk's league. I wonder whether he'll be able to get back to good form.

After 4 years he is runner up. And the F2 field is regarded as being weaker this year.

Be amazed if he does better than Kubica.

El_Duderino 09

pjohnson wrote: »

After 4 years he is runner up. And the F2 field is regarded as being weaker this year.

Be amazed if he does better than Kubica.

I'd me amazed if he doesn't do better than kubica. The man has a physical disability. We don't even know if Russell is good yet because we only have Kubica to compare him to.

In hindsight, Kubica coming back was crazy. In his absence from the sport his legend grew. In truth we have lost perspective on how good he ever was because his talent was exaggerated beyond recognition when he was gone from the sport.

I'd eat my hat if latifi isn't better than kubica.

pjohnson

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'd me amazed if he doesn't do better than kubica. The man has a physical disability. We don't even know if Russell is good yet because we only have Kubica to compare him to.

In hindsight, Kubica coming back was crazy. In his absence from the sport his legend grew. In truth we have lost perspective on how good he ever was because his talent was exaggerated beyond recognition when he was gone from the sport.

I'd eat my hat if latifi isn't better than kubica.

Latifi wasnt a patch on Russell last time they competed in the same level. Russell won F2 on the 1st attempt. Latifi finally made runner up (although he could loose that depending on last F2 race) at the 4th attempt. His money kept him in F2.


I know some have decided Kubica is the worst F1 driver ever in history from before he ever got in the Williams so of course Latifi will be called a huge step up no matter what. Doubt he will be a patch on Russell.

Cork Trucker

pjohnson wrote: »

Latifi wasnt a patch on Russell last time they competed in the same level. Russell won F2 on the 1st attempt. Latifi finally made runner up (although he could loose that depending on last F2 race) at the 4th attempt.


I know some have decided Kubica is the worst F1 driver ever in history from before he ever got in the Williams so of course Latifi will be called a huge step up no matter what. Doubt he will be a patch on Russell.

Doesn’t Alonso hold the record for most consecutive races out qualifying a team mate? Needless to say I can see Russell breaking it next year with Latifi. Also is it a record for Russell to do same in a debut F1 season? The status quo is highly unlikely to change this weekend

pjohnson

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Doesn’t Alonso hold the record for most consecutive races out qualifying a team mate? Needless to say I can see Russell breaking it next year with Latifi. Also is it a record for Russell to do same in a debut F1 season? The status quo is highly unlikely to change this weekend

He'll go very close.

Also checked again. In 4 years Latifi has 6 F2 wins.....in his sole F2 season Russell won 7 races.

They are extremely far apart.

El_Duderino 09

pjohnson wrote: »

Latifi wasnt a patch on Russell last time they competed in the same level. Russell won F2 on the 1st attempt. Latifi finally made runner up (although he could loose that depending on last F2 race) at the 4th attempt. His money kept him in F2.


I know some have decided Kubica is the worst F1 driver ever in history from before he ever got in the Williams so of course Latifi will be called a huge step up no matter what. Doubt he will be a patch on Russell.

Depends. If he's within half a second of Russell, he'll be both a step up bit could still be a complete failure.

Kubica is without doubt one of the furthest off the pace of the last decade. There were some Exclusively pay drivers who were bad. But kubica is a pay driver now too.