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European Parliament Elections 2019

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,796 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Midlands northwest European candidates nominations now coming in https://www.mayoreturningofficer.com/ nominations Dilip Mahapatra a Dundalk based doctor who went for the Fianna Fail nomination is running as an Independent https://www.talkofthetown.ie/dundalk-doctor-bidding-for-fianna-fail-nomination-for-european-elections/ https://www.facebook.com/1505160289615275/photos/rpp.1505160289615275/1505884716209499/?type=3&theater


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    L1011 wrote: »
    Marian Harkin not running which opens that race up a bit. The other three are back safe I'd think anyway. FF will presumably see the 4th seat as theirs.

    Is Luke Flanagan likely to be re elected?TBH I'd be shocked,what exactly has he done for the last 5 years?

    He's kept a remarkably low profile.

    I'd have a higher expectation Casey would be elected on the topical rural urban divide platform.

    I note Casey wants us to leave the EU,big no no for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Is Luke Flanagan likely to be re elected?TBH I'd be shocked,what exactly has he done for the last 5 years?

    He's kept a remarkably low profile.

    I'd have a higher expectation Casey would be elected on the topical rural urban divide platform.

    I note Casey wants us to leave the EU,big no no for me.
    Ming will probably top the poll.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,498 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Is Luke Flanagan likely to be re elected?TBH I'd be shocked,what exactly has he done for the last 5 years?

    He's kept a remarkably low profile.

    I'd have a higher expectation Casey would be elected on the topical rural urban divide platform.

    I note Casey wants us to leave the EU,big no no for me.

    What did Harkin do to get re-elected every time? Still got in. Name and/or memories of what was believed to have been achieved as a TD/Cllr does the work for Europe usually.

    Without Casey Ming would be home and dry. With Casey its anyones guess, as despite their nearly totally incompatible politics they would both appeal to people who vote for "not a politician".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    L1011 wrote: »
    What did Harkin do to get re-elected every time? Still got in. Name and/or memories of what was believed to have been achieved as a TD/Cllr does the work for Europe usually.

    Without Casey Ming would be home and dry. With Casey its anyones guess, as despite their nearly totally incompatible politics they would both appeal to people who vote for "not a politician".
    Casey will be eliminated early and his transfers will go to Ming


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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,498 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Casey will be eliminated early and his transfers will go to Ming

    I really wouldn't be that certain. He got >30% in the Presidential in some of the constituencies that make up the Euro constituency.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    L1011 wrote: »
    I really wouldn't be that certain. He got >30% in the Presidential in some of the constituencies that make up the Euro constituency.

    that's fine.
    but now he actually has to go out and campaign on a few issues.

    issues relevant to the EU and Ireland.

    luckily, there are no traveller housing issues out in Luxembourg which affect us


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,694 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    For me the EU elections would be in context of the recent Copyright "reforms" and the continuing clamp down on fair usage online. From reading books such as Copyright Wars by William Party, those MEPs who voted in favour of these changes have placed over-regulation and very large business entities interests over those of innovators and the general public. So this will influence my own vote.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Manach wrote: »
    For me the EU elections would be in context of the recent Copyright "reforms" and the continuing clamp down on fair usage online. From reading books such as Copyright Wars by William Party, those MEPs who voted in favour of these changes have placed over-regulation and very large business entities interests over those of innovators and the general public. So this will influence my own vote.

    look at what Irish parties votes for and against


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,434 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Manach wrote: »
    For me the EU elections would be in context of the recent Copyright "reforms" and the continuing clamp down on fair usage online. From reading books such as Copyright Wars by William Party, those MEPs who voted in favour of these changes have placed over-regulation and very large business entities interests over those of innovators and the general public. So this will influence my own vote.


    I don't think this issue will feature much in the debate, it will be very much on the fringe.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,498 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    that's fine.
    but now he actually has to go out and campaign on a few issues.

    issues relevant to the EU and Ireland.

    luckily, there are no traveller housing issues out in Luxembourg which affect us

    Considering he got that vote by campaigning on issues that were irrelevant to the Presidency, what makes you think people would care about him campaigning on the same irrelevant matters again?

    We may see what the protest vote / for a laugh elements of his figures were but that's about it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    L1011 wrote: »
    Considering he got that vote by campaigning on issues that were irrelevant to the Presidency, what makes you think people would care about him campaigning on the same irrelevant matters again?

    We may see what the protest vote / for a laugh elements of his figures were but that's about it
    the presidential election was a foregone conclusion once Michael D eventually made up his mind, at the last minute
    so most of the vote Casey got was because everyone knew who was going to win


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,498 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    the presidential election was a foregone conclusion once Michael D eventually made up his mind, at the last minute
    so most of the vote Casey got was because everyone knew who was going to win

    I would disagree with that analysis quite strongly.

    SF voters for one didn't change to Casey just because - and it's quite clear that lots did


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,434 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    L1011 wrote: »
    Considering he got that vote by campaigning on issues that were irrelevant to the Presidency, what makes you think people would care about him campaigning on the same irrelevant matters again?

    We may see what the protest vote / for a laugh elements of his figures were but that's about it


    I think he could take a seat. We have seen with Trump and Brexit that campaigning on the issues in modern elections isn't always the best approach, appealing to the emotions and the feelings can work if you press the right buttons.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,498 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I could see him taking Ming's seat and I think we need to pay attention to his replacements list as I suspect he'd get bored


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,796 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    apropos of nobody how about higher qualifications for European election candidates currently you just need 60 assenters, dail is 30, locals 15 https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/european_elections/european_elections.html#l7b144

    or you can pay 1,800 quid

    average dail population is around 30k per td
    average european constituency population is around 350k per MEP http://www.constituency-commission.ie/ep/docs/Report%20on%20European%20Parliament%20Constituencies%202018.pdf
    so should you need 350 assenters


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,796 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    more Midlands Northwest candidates official listed https://www.mayoreturningofficer.com/nominations including Casey

    South
    https://corkcityreturningofficer.com/ includes Paddy Fitzgerald, of Loughloher, Cahir, Co. Tipperary
    Retired Farmer can't find anything on him


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,796 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    don't see where in the recent bill this was addressed https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/act/2019/7/eng/enacted/a0719.pdf seems like gov will have to publish another bill, the suggestion isase there are two counts to sort out who is actually shelved https://politicalreformireland.wordpress.com/2019/02/22/how-should-irelands-meps-be-elected-amidst-brexit-uncertainty/

    good thread on it here https://twitter.com/antoin/status/1114569999254020097
    'EU election votes may have to be counted twice due to Brexit' - Leo Varadkar


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/eu-election-votes-may-have-to-be-counted-twice-due-to-brexit-leo-varadkar-38009865.html


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    L1011 wrote: »
    I could see him taking Ming's seat and I think we need to pay attention to his replacements list as I suspect he'd get bored

    Replacements should be people who genuinely want the position. Remember the fiasco when Joe Higgins was replaced by the last name on his list, Paul Murphy, as the others weren’t available.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,498 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Can't force someone to take the place if offered as it could cause severe issues - Simon Harris is first on the FG South list for the outgoing parliament as he wasn't really as critical in 2014 as now for instance


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    L1011 wrote: »
    Can't force someone to take the place if offered as it could cause severe issues - Simon Harris is first on the FG South list for the outgoing parliament as he wasn't really as critical in 2014 as now for instance

    Was Paul Murphy even elected to anything at that time? Was he not just Joe Higgins’ secretary? It’s a crazy system. The seat should either be left vacant or a by election held to fill it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,796 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    15 candidates so far in Dublin https://dublincountyreturningofficer.com/ theres Clare Daly and Gemma O'Doherty and Ben Gilroy

    20 in South https://corkcityreturningofficer.com/

    IDENTITY IRELAND Peter O'Loughlin
    Theresa Heaney Ind
    Walter Ryan-Purcell Ind https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2386780318020667&set=ecnf.100000661653086&type=3&theater
    Liam Minehan Ind
    Dolores J. Cahill Irexit listed as non-party
    and theres mick wallace Home and Colleen Worthington and Peter Madden Allan J Brennan

    https://www.mayoreturningofficer.com/nominations Forms | Midlands North West, Mayo Returning Officer | Castlebar 14 candidates so far including
    HEALY EAMES


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    13 candidates so far in Dublin

    20 in South https://corkcityreturningofficer.com/

    IDENTITY IRELAND Peter O'Loughlin
    Theresa Heaney Ind
    Walter Ryan-Purcell Ind https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2386780318020667&set=ecnf.100000661653086&type=3&theater
    Liam Minehan Ind
    Dolores J. Cahill Irexit listed as non-party
    and theres mick wallace Home and Colleen Worthington and Peter Madden Allan J Brennan

    https://www.mayoreturningofficer.com/nominations Forms | Midlands North West, Mayo Returning Officer | Castlebar 14 candidates so far including
    HEALY EAMES

    I believe Theresa Heaney once ran for the Catholic Democrats? Peter O'Loughlin is fast becoming the new Áine Ní Chonaill in terms of repeated electoral outings.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,498 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Wallace and Daly could both cause significant first preference upsets in both constituencies even if I doubt either will get in (well, South with 5 - its possible Wallace could get there)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭MFPM


    L1011 wrote: »
    Wallace and Daly could both cause significant first preference upsets in both constituencies even if I doubt either will get in (well, South with 5 - its possible Wallace could get there)

    Daly is far more likely in Dublin, in fact I'd say she's fairly certain to get elected . Wallace is far less likely IMO but I wouldn't rule it out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Was Paul Murphy even elected to anything at that time? Was he not just Joe Higgins’ secretary? It’s a crazy system. The seat should either be left vacant or a by election held to fill it.

    He was Higgin's PA and he was on the replacement list that each candidate had to submit although he was 4th or 5th on the list of replacements.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,498 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    MFPM wrote: »
    Daly is far more likely in Dublin, in fact I'd say she's fairly certain to get elected . Wallace is far less likely IMO but I wouldn't rule it out.

    Don't see her getting in - protest vote level is massively down, she is basically going to be getting similar figures to the AAA-PBP vote at best which isn't enough.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MFPM wrote: »
    Daly is far more likely in Dublin, in fact I'd say she's fairly certain to get elected . Wallace is far less likely IMO but I wouldn't rule it out.
    Doubtful, a lot of political heavyweights in the field. Boylan, Fitzgerald and Andrews would be my call.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,705 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    L1011 wrote: »
    Don't see her getting in - protest vote level is massively down, she is basically going to be getting similar figures to the AAA-PBP vote at best which isn't enough.

    She will potentially damage the first preferences for Lynn Boylan.



    Also looking at that - does Gemma O'Doherty have a pub/restaurant in Foxrock listed as her address?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    L1011 wrote: »
    I could see him taking Ming's seat and I think we need to pay attention to his replacements list as I suspect he'd get bored
    Ming topped the poll(100K+) last time. He'd want to fall a very long way and Casey is untested in a real election.


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