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European Parliament Elections 2019

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Social Democrats will run a candidate in Dublin, with Philip O'Connor and Gary Gannon contesting the convention:

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/03/12/soc-dem-syndrome/


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,505 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Malcolm Byrne has beaten Kelleher in South, unexpectedly.

    He tried to chat up my boyfriend a decade ago so I could never vote for him even if I lived in the area :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    L1011 wrote: »
    Malcolm Byrne has beaten Kelleher in South, unexpectedly.

    He tried to chat up my boyfriend a decade ago so I could never vote for him even if I lived in the area :pac:

    And Brendan Smith will bring youthful vigour to the Midlands/North-West ticket!


  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭RainNeverBow


    Gary Gannon officially selected for Soc Dems tonight


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,505 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Gary Gannon officially selected for Soc Dems tonight

    Makes the fourth seat race much more interesting due to the aforementioned Northside element. Still think it'll be Cuffe Vs White from polling figures but if Gannon gets extra votes for being the "only" Northside option he could easily get clear

    Cuffe does represent the Northside now also though - was Dun Laoghaire before

    And if the last few elections have shown anything it's that trying to predict this constituency is impossible anyway!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,505 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Marian Harkin not running which opens that race up a bit. The other three are back safe I'd think anyway. FF will presumably see the 4th seat as theirs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭abcabc123123


    L1011 wrote: »
    Makes the fourth seat race much more interesting due to the aforementioned Northside element. Still think it'll be Cuffe Vs White from polling figures
    What figures are these? Would be very interested to see...


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,505 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    What figures are these? Would be very interested to see...

    Was Adrian Kavanagh tweeting them a few weeks ago - trying to find them again now but its not that easy as he tweets quite a bit!


  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭RainNeverBow


    New Red C poll had Soc Dems and Labour joint 4th largest party in Dublin at 7% which means really it's Gannon versus White in which case I think Gannon takes it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    New Red C poll had Soc Dems and Labour joint 4th largest party in Dublin at 7% which means really it's Gannon versus White in which case I think Gannon takes it.

    More likely to get Green transfers, one would think, given their joint Dáil grouping.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    Whatever happen's I hope people don't simply just vote but pay some attention to WHO they vote. I honestly don't see it a good idea to elect FG or FF candidate's if they're gonna be out of tune with people or use it as a retirement home. Neither do I see it too good an idea to elect headbanger or populists too. Personally I'd be tempted to lean to the Social Democrat's or Labour to a lesser extent if at the least they'll get out and vote and represent people's views. The whole Brexit shenanigans and the like's of the far right troll armies should get people to actually keep a watch on the EU parliament it's actually quite relevant in the long term.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Infini wrote: »
    Whatever happen's I hope people don't simply just vote but pay some attention to WHO they vote. I honestly don't see it a good idea to elect FG or FF candidate's if they're gonna be out of tune with people or use it as a retirement home. Neither do I see it too good an idea to elect headbanger or populists too. Personally I'd be tempted to lean to the Social Democrat's or Labour to a lesser extent if at the least they'll get out and vote and represent people's views. The whole Brexit shenanigans and the like's of the far right troll armies should get people to actually keep a watch on the EU parliament it's actually quite relevant in the long term.

    Based in South, so leaning towards the Greens, and Grace O'Sullivan - seems fairly active in the Seanad, and the Labour candidate is a non-descript former INTO president.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭man98


    Based in South, so leaning towards the Greens, and Grace O'Sullivan - seems fairly active in the Seanad, and the Labour candidate is a non-descript former INTO president.

    Nunan is the current head of ICTU, she's certainly not some sort of washed up former union head. Very well connected to teachers across the country, and a pre made support base could make her candidacy a lot more viable. Labour had an awful outing, even by their standards, in 2014. Candidates were poor and times were tough for the party. I don't think there's a centre left seat up for grabs in Ireland South (as much as I'd like there to be), but I suspect that Nunan won't do too badly. However, the European campaign is not yet in full swing - things can change. Regarding Dublin, White has something which Cuffe definitely doesn't have, and something that Gannon doesn't have to the same extent - and that is working class support. Looking at exit polls from the Presidentials and the GE, Labour's support base is 50/50 middle class/ working class split. White should pull more transfers from the Northside than the SocDems or the Greens, and I suspect Gannon will be less tranfer friendly from FF/FG. Transfers will decide where the seat goes, and in 2019 they could be on Labour's side. That said, a good northside/ westside focused campaign by Gannon and the seat is his to lose.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,505 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The SocDems internal war over Ellie Kisyombe being played out in the media may not have helped Gannon either. Rather ridiculous that it got the coverage it did


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Mary Alice Higgins confirms her European candidacy - will a fourth centre-left contender end up dividing the vote between them, with Durkan the beneficiary?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,797 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Rita Harold for SP/Solidarity https://twitter.com/RitaHarrold1/status/1114822771450757121

    Dublin
    https://dublincountyreturningofficer.com/
    Eamonn Murphy Hermann Kelly candidates



    Candidates for European Election Midlands North-West
    https://www.mayoreturningofficer.com/

    South https://corkcityreturningofficer.com/


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,505 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Mary Alice Higgins confirms her European candidacy - will a fourth centre-left contender end up dividing the vote between them, with Durkan the beneficiary?

    Would have to split so precisely and basically not transfer to each other for that to happen.

    So it probably will!


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 OwenHanley


    Hermann Kelly is officially running for Irexit. Has no chance. Should sharpen minds amongst left and increase turnout


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,384 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    OwenHanley wrote: »
    Hermann Kelly is officially running for Irexit. Has no chance. Should sharpen minds amongst left and increase turnout

    Would their fake news of recent times not also stand against them?

    I'd say there is no appetite for an Irexit, except among a few thousand loons.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,797 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    OwenHanley wrote: »
    Hermann Kelly is officially running for Irexit. Has no chance. Should sharpen minds amongst left and increase turnout
    not yet he isn't https://dublincountyreturningofficer.com/ they still havn't registered the party https://www.irisoifigiuil.ie/currentissues/Ir090419.pdf


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Fine Gael - European People's Party - Conservative pro EU

    Can they really be deemed conservative, they brought about the marriage equality and repel of the 8th here in Ireland


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    Can they really be deemed conservative, they brought about the marriage equality and repel of the 8th here in Ireland

    More that the EPP as a whole is conservative - CDU/CSU would be further along that scale than FG.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,797 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Rita Harrold Solidarity - People Before Profit and Barry Andrews FF added to Dublin parliamentary elections candidates list https://dublincountyreturningofficer.com/


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,797 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    I noticed on the register under EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT – NAME OF POLITICAL GROUP
    United people has "United People" as if its a European parliament political group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_groups_of_the_European_Parliament https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/members/partyRegister/2019/2019-04-10_register-of-political-parties-10-april-2019_en.pdf

    Shouldn't only groups that actually exist be listed there?

    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/act/2019/7/eng/enacted/a0719.pdf section 8
    Where a party which is registered in the Register as a party organised to contest a European election, or which applies for such registration in the Register, informs the Registrar that a member of the party, being a representative in the European Parliament (whether by reason of his having been elected as such a representative in the State or having been nominated as a replacement candidate under the European Parliament Elections Act 1997), is a member of—(a)a political group formed in accordance with the rules of procedure of the European Parliament, or(b)a European political party established in accordance with Regulation (EU, Euratom) No 1141/2014 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 22 October 2014 on the statute and funding of European political parties and European political foundations,the Registrar shall, if that member certifies in writing to the Registrar that he is a member of that party and that political group or that European political party, note on the Register, in relation to the party,the name of that political group or that European political party.
    see previous http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2001/act/38/section/11/enacted/en/html#sec11
    Secondly should Socialists and Democrats Group be listed next to Labour on the register of political parties when it has no MEPs, see http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2019/act/7/section/8/enacted/en/html?q=%22european+political+party%22&search_type=all

    find it hard to know if Im right as there is no consolidated version of the oft change electoral acts

    also it was pointed out to me that Fianna Fail listed as ALDE when Brian Crowley is in ECRG http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/2109/BRIAN_CROWLEY/home


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    I noticed on the register under EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT – NAME OF POLITICAL GROUP
    United people has "United People" as if its a European parliament political group https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/members/partyRegister/2019/2019-04-10_register-of-political-parties-10-april-2019_en.pdf

    Shouldn't only groups that actually exist be listed there?

    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/act/2019/7/eng/enacted/a0719.pdf

    Secondly should Socialists and Democrats Groupbe listed next to Labour on the register of political parties when it has no MEPs, see http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2019/act/7/section/8/enacted/en/html?q=%22european+political+party%22&search_type=all

    find it hard to know if Im right as there is no consolidated version of the oft change electoral acts

    also it was pointed out to me that Fianna Fail listed as ALDE when Brian Crowley is in ECRG http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/2109/BRIAN_CROWLEY/home

    Labour remains affiliated to PES, regardless of its seat numbers, similarly the FF party itself is a full member of ALDE.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,797 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Labour remains affiliated to PES, regardless of its seat numbers, similarly the FF party itself is a full member of ALDE.
    PES is a party not a group the section in the register was for groups. PES is not listed there and couldn't be as they have no MEPs

    European Parliament Elections (Amendment) Act 2019
    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/act/2019/7/eng/enacted/a0719.pdf
    Where a party which is registered in the Register as a party organised to contest a European election, or which applies for such registration in the Register, informs the Registrar that a member of the party, being a representative in the European Parliament (whether by reason of his having been elected as such a representative in the State or having been nominated as a replacement candidate under the European Parliament Elections Act 1997), is a member of—(a)a political group formed in accordance with the rules of procedure of the European Parliament, or(b)a European political party established in accordance with Regulation (EU, Euratom) No 1141/2014 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 22 October 2014 on the statute and funding of European political parties and European political foundations,the Registrar shall, if that member certifies in writing to the Registrar that he is a member of that party and that political group or that European political party, note on the Register, in relation to the party,the name of that political group or that European political party.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,762 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    So now that it looks like the UK will be staying in the EU until October the 31st then they will have to contest the EU elections which means the last seat in Dublin and Munster which we got on the assumption the U.K. would have left won't happen now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,797 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So now that it looks like the UK will be staying in the EU until October the 31st then they will have to contest the EU elections which means the last seat in Dublin and Munster which we got on the assumption the U.K. would have left won't happen now.
    don't see where in the recent bill this was addressed https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/act/2019/7/eng/enacted/a0719.pdf seems like gov will have to publish another bill, the suggestion isase there are two counts to sort out who is actually shelved https://politicalreformireland.wordpress.com/2019/02/22/how-should-irelands-meps-be-elected-amidst-brexit-uncertainty/

    good thread on it here https://twitter.com/antoin/status/1114569999254020097


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,505 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Casey to target Ming's seat specifically. Massively different politics but there will be an element of anti-mainstream-politician in Ming's vote base that could go over.

    Would be hilarious if they split so badly that neither got in but it's not likely


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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,519 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Indeed - one seat each guaranteed for FG, FF and SF, and possibly a centre-left party takes the last one.


    I think I heard Ivan Yates on the radio yesterday suggesting that FF are only on 14% in Dublin. If that is so, the race will be interesting. That is an awful long way short of the 25% needed if there are only three seats, and the 20% needed if there are four.

    Sinn Fein are stronger in Dublin than elsewhere, so should pick up a seat, meaning the first two go to SF and FG. If there are 4, FF should get one of the others, but would be in a dogfight for the last if there are only 3.


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