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European Parliament Elections 2019

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭MFPM


    L1011 wrote: »
    Don't see her getting in - protest vote level is massively down, she is basically going to be getting similar figures to the AAA-PBP vote at best which isn't enough.

    Opinion polls have independents on 20+ percent IIRC. She will poll far higher than the SOL-PBPA votes IMO - I'd be surprised if she doesn't take a seat, time will tell.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭MFPM


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Doubtful, a lot of political heavyweights in the field. Boylan, Fitzgerald and Andrews would be my call.

    In fairness she's as much a 'heavyweight' as any of those.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MFPM wrote: »
    Opinion polls have independents on 20+ percent IIRC. She will poll far higher than the SOL-PBPA votes IMO - I'd be surprised if she doesn't take a seat, time will tell.
    There are seven independent types. Most will barely get to a few percentage points between them. She's up against six from the parties. Boylan may well drop but there's a seat there for FG and probably FF with who they've chosen. Ultimately being the incumbent may swing it for Boylan.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MFPM wrote: »
    In fairness she's as much a 'heavyweight' as any of those.
    Not really. There's no comparison between 4 ex-ministers and the former leader of a party and a permanent opposition figure from a very minor political group. If you're inclined to vote for her there's also a SF candidate who can go toe to toe with her. If you're not, there's a good field of all kinds, excluding the loons and hopeless cases of course.


  • Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    L1011 wrote: »
    Don't see her getting in - protest vote level is massively down, she is basically going to be getting similar figures to the AAA-PBP vote at best which isn't enough.

    Not a Clare Daly fan but I feel she has moved on from the protest vote and, for example, some of the PQ's she submits are excellent, she seems to go after issues where she has the facts and knows the answers she wants.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭MFPM


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not really. There's no comparison between 4 ex-ministers and the former leader of a party and a permanent opposition figure from a very minor political group. If you're inclined to vote for her there's also a SF candidate who can go toe to toe with her. If you're not, there's a good field of all kinds, excluding the loons and hopeless cases of course.

    That's nonsense frankly - there are loads of people who have been and are Ministers who are idiots and well you know it so stating someone has been a 'Minister' doesn't make them special. Fitzgerald didn't cover herself in glory in Justice and Andrews was part of a government that brought the country to it's knees - if that's your idea of 'heavyweight' you're entitled to it.

    Anyway we'll see who's right on May 26 who's right.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MFPM wrote: »
    That's nonsense frankly - there are loads of people who have been and are Ministers who are idiots and well you know it so stating someone has been a 'Minister' doesn't make them special. Fitzgerald didn't cover herself in glory in Justice and Andrews was part of a government that brought the country to it's knees - if that's your idea of 'heavyweight' you're entitled to it.

    Anyway we'll see who's right on May 26 who's right.
    Well at least I have a definition, you have inverted commas. As Harney said one day in government is better than a lifetime in opposition. Ex-ministers tend to cover the political sweet spot, where most voters lie and recognition, for better or worse. She's not after them, she's afer Boylan.


  • Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    MFPM wrote: »
    That's nonsense frankly - there are loads of people who have been and are Ministers who are idiots and well you know it so stating someone has been a 'Minister' doesn't make them special. Fitzgerald didn't cover herself in glory in Justice and Andrews was part of a government that brought the country to it's knees - if that's your idea of 'heavyweight' you're entitled to it.

    Anyway we'll see who's right on May 26 who's right.

    Fitzgerald is a former Tanaiste, Minister with various portfolios and Senator. She has also been cleared of any wrongdoing in relation to her resignation.

    She is of course a political heavyweight in terms of the European Elections and the candidate list.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,563 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    MFPM wrote: »
    Daly is far more likely in Dublin, in fact I'd say she's fairly certain to get elected . Wallace is far less likely IMO but I wouldn't rule it out.

    Wallaces first preference was well down at the last GE.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,563 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Also, isn't Ben Gilroy still in jail? Not that it's going to make any difference....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,464 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Ming topped the poll(100K+) last time. He'd want to fall a very long way and Casey is untested in a real election.

    He's done very, very, very little and been borderline anonymous since last time.

    His votes and potential Casey votes are coming from the same pool.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    L1011 wrote: »
    He's done very, very, very little and been borderline anonymous since last time.

    His votes and potential Casey votes are coming from the same pool.
    As it was with Crowley in Ireland South but they continued re-electing him. I've always figured that the Euros are a case of sending someone who won't disgrace us. Ming is a known quantity, not everyone's idea of an MEP, but will retain a chunk of his votes. His website suggests he has a good set of themes he's developed and that rural connection is still there. So far there's very little from Casey apart form some loose aspirations. Then, there is the matter of where Harkin voters go. Neither tick their boxes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,394 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    There is always a springer in the Euro elections.

    It could be Casey this time, or Daly in Dublin. She has certainly made the Dublin contest more interesting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    blanch152 wrote: »
    There is always a springer in the Euro elections.

    It could be Casey this time, or Daly in Dublin. She has certainly made the Dublin contest more interesting.

    The latter is more likely but quite a challenge.


  • Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭Be well and win


    there used to be a fine tradition in the GAA of a club picking the most contrary obstreperous and negative member in the club and making them the delegate to the County Board, simply so they can feel important and to get them out of the way. There could be a similar opportunity here to move a few eejits out of the Dail and into Europe


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,333 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    L1011 wrote: »
    He's done very, very, very little and been borderline anonymous since last time.

    His votes and potential Casey votes are coming from the same pool.

    So he's on the gravy train like the rest of them?

    Whats the point of electing such a person so?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    With Wallace and Daly standing are we just going to have the scam that Sinn Fein are pulling with Matt Carthy in the West i.e. have a prominent politician run for Europe, get elected, and then when the General Election comes go for the Dail, get elected and have some gob****e of a supporter on the reserve list slip in unelected as M.E.P.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,792 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    L1011 wrote: »
    He's done very, very, very little and been borderline anonymous since last time.

    His votes and potential Casey votes are coming from the same pool.
    what did the others do that ming didn't


  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭RainNeverBow


    Gemma O'Doherty is currently blaming immigrants for Notre Dame burning down. It's gonna be a looooong six weeks


  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭RainNeverBow


    what did the others do that ming didn't

    Matt Carthy held at least one consultation meeting in every county on key issues. Don't remember Ming doing any of that


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    L1011 wrote: »
    He's done very, very, very little and been borderline anonymous since last time.

    His votes and potential Casey votes are coming from the same pool.

    I'm sorry, what has Ming not done?
    From what I can see he has been to the forefront in trying to get a better deal for smaller farmers, for protecting bogs, for opposing the copyright laws and highlighting the erosion of our neutrality via the EU military


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,792 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Matt Carthy held at least one consultation meeting in every county on key issues. Don't remember Ming doing any of that
    when in the last year on the way up to the vote?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,792 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    how will the media going to handle debates?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Edgware wrote: »
    With Wallace and Daly standing are we just going to have the scam that Sinn Fein are pulling with Matt Carthy in the West i.e. have a prominent politician run for Europe, get elected, and then when the General Election comes go for the Dail, get elected and have some gob****e of a supporter on the reserve list slip in unelected as M.E.P.

    No, they are not doing that. That question will also be posed to them in the course of the election.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    I'm sorry, what has Ming not done?
    From what I can see he has been to the forefront in trying to get a better deal for smaller farmers, for protecting bogs, for opposing the copyright laws and highlighting the erosion of our neutrality via the EU military
    Protecting bogs????

    Ming was/is PRO of the Irish Turf Cutters Association and has been to the forefront of the campaign against legislation to protect our raised bogs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Protecting bogs????

    Ming was/is PRO of the Irish Turf Cutters Association and has been to the forefront of the campaign against legislation to protect our raised bogs.

    There's a huge difference between family plots on bogs and strip mining peat companies


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    The NI European line-up is taking shape - Diane Dodds and Martina Anderson will run again for the DUP and SF respectively, while Jim Nicholson is retiring as the UUP representative after 30 years, with Danny Kennedy his probable successor:

    https://www.irishnews.com/news/brexit/2019/04/16/news/jim-nicholson-says-he-won-t-contest-european-poll-1598611/

    Increasing rumours that Colum Eastwood will run for the SDLP, and while the Alliance have yet to name their candidate, Naomi Long has traditionally been their strongest electoral performer:


    https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/04/15/speculation-that-colum-eastwood-will-stand-for-the-european-election/


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    In the UK, TIG officially become CHUK, and gain two former Tory MEPs:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47949665


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    There's a huge difference between family plots on bogs and strip mining peat companies

    Ming was supporting the mechanical exploitation of blanket bogs.

    Any idea that Ming is for protecting bogs is very very wide of the mark. He opposed vital legislation to protect our bogs.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Richard Dawkins wants to become a Change UK MEP:

    http://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1118200314660835330


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