Madeleine McCann

Eric Cartman

limnam wrote: »

To be honest. I was pretty shocked the last few days as the amount of people who think like this.


I was always under the assumption it was the one thing everyone agreed on.

a shocking amount of people seem to find creative ways to abandon the kids on holiday. The amount of people who think its alright to leave them in the company of an elderly relative who is using prescribed sedatives or is guaranteed to be asleep is mad. Leave the granny pass out with the passed out kids, go get pissed - score, deadly parenting right there.

Mike9832

splinter65 wrote: »

The documentary told you that they sedated the kids? Interesting. What evidence did the documentary offer to support this allegation?

2 and half year old toddlers don't sleep for 8 hours straight through the scenes that went on in that apartment, it's madness that wasn't investigated

Trekker09

limnam wrote: »

To be honest. I was pretty shocked the last few days as the amount of people who think like this.


I was always under the assumption it was the one thing everyone agreed on.

You can't get passed the fact that some of us think that although they made a mistake by leaving their kids in the apartment, we can look at the big picture and come to the conclusion that the McCanns didn't have anything directly to do with Maddies disappearance.

Yes, they contributed to it by being negligent, which they'll never forgive themselves for.

Trekker09

Mike9832 wrote: »

2 and half year old toddlers don't sleep for 8 hours straight through the scenes that went on in that apartment, it's madness that wasn't investigated

Both my kids were out for the count at 8pm most nights when on holiday. You'd have needed a JCB to move them.

Trekker09

Eric Cartman wrote: »

before that documentary I would have said you'd need a whole body of evidence to convince me anyone except the parents did it. After that documentary its just cemented the belief a bit more.

sedating your kids to go get pissed with your other doctor friends is pretty abhorrent behaviour on its own, let alone what happened after.

What proof have you that they went and got pissed?

limnam

Trekker09 wrote: »

You can't get passed the fact that some of us think that although they made a mistake by leaving their kids in the apartment, we can look at the big picture and come to the conclusion that the McCanns didn't have anything directly to do with Maddies disappearance.

I don't particular care if you or anyone else thinks they were involved or not.


Outside of that, no matter where you stand on how guilty or innocent they're.


It doesn't change how negligent what they did is. You seem to be under some strange illusion that I think they're guilty because of the negligence.


Leaving 3 kids alone while you go out drinking doesn't make you a murder. Sure. But it does make you an extremely negligent parent.



That's the part that surprises me. Not that people think they're innocent.

limnam

Trekker09 wrote: »

Both my kids were out for the count at 8pm most nights when on holiday. You'd have needed a JCB to move them.

You probably didn't have half a resort in your house looking for a missing child I imagine and the noise and commotion that brings.

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Trekker09 wrote: »

What proof have you that they went and got pissed?

He doesn't need any proof, either of child sedation or the McCanns being 'pissed'. It's carte blanche to say whatever you like about them, proof or not. That's the way the internet works.

Trekker09

limnam wrote: »

I don't particular care if you or anyone else thinks they were involved or not.


Outside of that, no matter where you stand on how guilty or innocent they're.


It doesn't change how negligent what they did is. You seem to be under some strange illusion that I think they're guilty because of the negligence.


Leaving 3 kids alone while you go out drinking doesn't make you a murder. Sure. But it does make you an extremely negligent parent.



That's the part that surprises me. Not that people think they're innocent.

Right, prove to me that they went out 'drinking' and not for a bite to eat with a couple of glasses of wine! By drinking I mean out to get intoxicated.

Gringo180

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

With regards the getting pissed comment its reported by the detectives that the McCanns consumed 5 bottles of wine between them that night. I think it was Kate that told them that.

limnam

dark crystal wrote: »

He doesn't need any proof, either of child sedation or the McCanns being 'pissed'. It's carte blanche to say whatever you like about them, proof or not. That's the way the internet works.

Apparently they drank a bottle of wine at 8pm. got to the restraunt at 830


Fairly quick bottle of wine



They were at the restaurant for another what hour and a half?


If they kept that pace up. They were fairly well on I'd say


Do you have any evidence of the amount of drink taken that night?

limnam

Trekker09 wrote: »

Right, prove to me that they went out 'drinking' and not for a bite to eat with a couple of glasses of wine! By drinking I mean out to get intoxicated.

They had a bottle shared before they got to the restaurant apparently. Between 8 and 830



I don't know what you consider going out drinking.


I never mentioned intoxicated.

Trekker09

limnam wrote: »

You probably didn't have half a resort in your house looking for a missing child I imagine and the noise and commotion that brings.

My daughter slept through an earthquake in PNG that threw me out of the bed and badly damaged our house. My son is the same.

limnam

Gringo180 wrote: »

With regards the getting pissed comment its reported by the detectives that the McCanns consumed 5 bottles of wine between them that night. I think it was Kate that told them that.

Just a tipple.


I thought she had said one of the other nights he came back fairly well on too.

Trekker09

Gringo180 wrote: »

With regards the getting pissed comment its reported by the detectives that the McCanns consumed 5 bottles of wine between them that night. I think it was Kate that told them that.

If that's the case then it was very negligent. 2.5 bottles of wine in under 3 hours! Thats worse than binge drinking.

Gringo180

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Did they search for her all night? Reports is that they went to bed after a few hours searching. Dont know about anyone else but I wouldnt of slept until I found her or until i collapsed with tiredness.

Plumbthedepths

Trekker09 wrote:

Right, prove to me that they went out 'drinking' and not for a bite to eat with a couple of glasses of wine! By drinking I mean out to get intoxicated.

Wine is alcoholic and by its nature it's an intoxicant.

limnam

Trekker09 wrote: »

If that's the case then it was very negligent. 2.5 bottles of wine in under 3 hours! Thats worse than binge drinking.

If they were drinking water all night it was very negligent.

limnam

Gringo180 wrote: »

Did they search for her all night? Reports is that they went to bed after a few hours searching. Dont know about anyone else but I wouldnt of slept until I found her or until i collapsed with tiredness.

That was fairly new to me.


She was saying up at first light, like she should get a blue peter badge...

mcgragger

Accident happened, parents hid body

I dont leave my 3 year old on his own EVER. Not for any reason. If he is in bed I am in the living room below him. If I am going out he goes to my Sisters or Brothers for the night for correct supervision.

The fact they went out of the apartment and left 3 kids unattended was shocking. Negligent beyond words.
Whatever happend to the poor child is the fault of her parents. If they were looking after kids correctly nothing would have happened.

For the record I suspect they know more than they let on. The documentary leaves alot of questions to be answered. Yes those type programmes can be made from one viewpoint or another but there has always been a doubt for me that they know more than they let on.

Mike9832

mcgragger wrote: »

I dont leave my 3 year old on his own EVER. Not for any reason. If he is in bed I am in the living room below him. If I am going out he goes to my Sisters or Brothers for the night for correct supervision.

The fact they went out of the apartment and left 3 kids unattended was shocking. Negligent beyond words.
Whatever happend to the poor child is the fault of her parents. If they were looking after kids correctly nothing would have happened.

For the record I suspect they know more than they let on. The documentary leaves alot of questions to be answered. Yes those type programmes can be made from one viewpoint or another but there has always been a doubt for me that they know more than they let on.

And the coming back langered

Kate's own mother slated her in the press for leaving those babies alone

Trekker09

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Wine is alcoholic and by its nature it's an intoxicant.

Surely that depends on the amount consumed as well as drinking while eating.

That said, someone stated that they drank 5 bottles of wine between them which is a crazy amount.

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Gringo180 wrote: »

Did they search for her all night? Reports is that they went to bed after a few hours searching. Dont know about anyone else but I wouldnt of slept until I found her or until i collapsed with tiredness.

They searched all night and were still awake when dawn arrived and then set out again to search some more. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108829953&postcount=1976

That also gels with the account of the nanny, Catriona, who reports they were out searching the streets of Praia da Luz until they were told to knock it off at 5 am.

gozunda

Something Else

Creol1 wrote: »

If the Portuguese police engaged dogs who had never found anything or proved beneficial, that would certainly be strange, but I don't see anyone on this thread suggesting that.

What exact motive are you imputing to the Portuguese police in enlisting these dogs from the UK? They brought them in to frame Madeleine's parents? If so, they must have either known in advance that the dogs would have reacted the way they did, which is impossible, or else they were in collaboration with the British authorities to frame the McCanns, which seems utterly implausible.

Gringo180 wrote: »

The Portuguese head detective said so. They requested the help of the dogs.

In his book Gonçalo Amaral details that in July following Madelines disappearance and working in conjunction with the British police

We officially request the help of the best experts in criminology and forensics but also the specialist dog team from the English police. A few days later, we welcome Mark Harrison, a specialist in murder, and the search for missing persons and victims of natural disasters. National advisor to the British police, he is well known for his exceptional professional experience. He has already participated in dozens of international criminal investigations.

...Harrison also suggests that we use the skills of two totally remarkable dogs: the first an EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog), achieves outstanding performance in the detection of human cadaver odour; the second, a CSI dog (Crime Scene Investigation) is capable of smelling the tiniest trace of blood, knowing how to recognise its human origin.

To convince us of their capability and the extraordinary work carried out by these very special detectives in the course of over 200 investigations, he screens a video for us, showing their training and their intervention on the ground.

http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/2009/06/chapter-16.html?m=1

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Mike9832 wrote: »

2 and half year old toddlers don't sleep for 8 hours straight through the scenes that went on in that apartment, it's madness that wasn't investigated

Is that the evidence of sedation that the documentary offered? That’s interesting because in all the foresnsic investigation by 2 police forces over 10 years including drug testing of the twins, no evidence of sedation has ever been discovered.

chicorytip

Something Else

hawkelady wrote:

I got as far as your second sentence. The fact that you think what the mccanns did , by leaving their 3 children under the age of 3 was “ understandable “ means that I won’t be reading anything else that you’ll ramble .. shocking

You should have read further to understand what I was getting at. The use of the word "understandable" in this instance does not in any way imply that the actions of the parents were acceptable or pardonable but those actions do have to be viewed in the overall context of the circumstances, practices and atmosphere at the Praya De Luiz resort at that time and the mentality and opinions of the McCann "group" i.e. the couple themselves and their companions at least some of whom also had their children holidaying with them.

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

That was fairly new to me.


She was saying up at first light, like she should get a blue peter badge...

They were out all night searching for Madeleine. But you know that already. What little kick do you get out of repeating stuff you know is lies, spreading the lies around? What do you think you’ll achieve?

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

They had a bottle shared before they got to the restaurant apparently. Between 8 and 830



I don't know what you consider going out drinking.


I never mentioned intoxicated.

Apparently. By apparently I suppose you mean youd like to think they drank a bottle before they left the apartment, because that fits your agenda, despite there being no evidence of them having drank before they left the apartment.
You’re lying and lying and making up more lies as your going along. It’s actually funny.

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Trekker09 wrote: »

What proof have you that they went and got pissed?

None . He/she is just making up the story as it is in his head as he’s going along. Doesn’t need any proof and can really say anything he likes.

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Gringo180 wrote: »

With regards the getting pissed comment its reported by the detectives that the McCanns consumed 5 bottles of wine between them that night. I think it was Kate that told them that.

5 bottles of wine between 7 people isn’t really a lot. You forgot there were 7 adults? There! I’ve reminded you! No need to thank me....