Madeleine McCann

Mike9832

splinter65 wrote: »

Is that the evidence of sedation that the documentary offered? That’s interesting because in all the foresnsic investigation by 2 police forces over 10 years including drug testing of the twins, no evidence of sedation has ever been discovered.

The twins were drug tested immediately after?

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Apparently they drank a bottle of wine at 8pm. got to the restraunt at 830


Fairly quick bottle of wine



They were at the restaurant for another what hour and a half?


If they kept that pace up. They were fairly well on I'd say


Do you have any evidence of the amount of drink taken that night?

No. Do YOU have any evidence to prove any of your allegations ? None? In the real world if I accuse you linman of being a thief, then I would have to prove that you were a thief. In your world I can say that you are a thief and it’s up to you to prove that your not a thief.
Can you not see that that’s what your doing?
Your making up lies about people and suggesting that it’s up to the people who don’t believe your lies to disprove the lies.

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Mike9832 wrote: »

The twins were drug tested immediately after?

No the twins were drug tested in August when any drugs administered in the previous 6 months would still be in their hair. No drugs were found.

Mike9832

splinter65 wrote: »

5 bottles of wine between 7 people isn’t really a lot. You forgot there were 7 adults? There! I’ve reminded you! No need to thank me....

Does it really matter how drunk they were?

Most decent people wouldn't even leave a dog on it's own in a foreign environment to go drinking, never mind young kids/babies

Mike9832

splinter65 wrote: »

No the twins were drug tested in August when any drugs administered in the previous 6 months would still be in their hair. No drugs were found.

Hard drugs

What about over the counter stuff like Calpol/Antihistamines?

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Mike9832 wrote: »

Does it really matter how drunk they were?

Most decent people wouldn't even leave a dog on it's own in a foreign environment to go drinking, never mind young kids/babies

It matters because 5 bottles of wine between 7 people indicates around 3 glasses of wine each, even if we believe that all the bottles were finished and some didn’t drink as much as others. It matters because 3 glasses of wine would mean no one was
Pissed
Intoxicated
On the lash
Langured
Or any of the other lies made up in this thread who don’t like the truth and prefer their own version of the story, even though they know it’s not true.
Also if it doesn’t matter how drunk they were then why do you want to talk about it?

Trekker09

Gringo180 wrote: »

With regards the getting pissed comment its reported by the detectives that the McCanns consumed 5 bottles of wine between them that night. I think it was Kate that told them that.

You've worded that as if the McCanns themselves drank 5 bottles of wine between them!! From what I can see on google that was the quantity the group drank.

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

splinter65 wrote: »

5 bottles of wine between 7 people isn’t really a lot. You forgot there were 7 adults? There! I’ve reminded you! No need to thank me....

There were 9 at the table. The waiter didn't seem to think their consumption was out of the ordinary:

Jeronimo Salcedas on May 6 2007, says:

“When asked, he said that they would normally stay at the restaurant until 23.30 - 24.00, although some of them would leave earlier, at about 23.00. They were people who showed their satisfaction with the food and would consume on average 8 bottles of wine (4 red, 4 white) between the nine of them, which he considered to be normal consumption for a group of such a number.”

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Mike9832 wrote: »

Hard drugs

What about over the counter stuff like Calpol/Antihistamines?

Terence Stephenson, professor of child health at Nottingham University, believes their use by parents may be misguided.
"Paracetamol doesn't have any sedative properties whatsoever and neither does Nurofen," he says. "It's a widespread misconception that Calpol helps children to sleep. Doctors used to prescribe antihistamines to help children sleep, but not any longer."

Here you go.

Trekker09

Mike9832 wrote: »

Does it really matter how drunk they were?

Most decent people wouldn't even leave a dog on it's own in a foreign environment to go drinking, never mind young kids/babies

Yes it does, especially when several people have stated that they were 'boozing'.

That inference si wrong as there is a massive difference between having a few glasses of wine and going on a bender. How many parents have a glass or 3 of wine when they out the kids to bed? Unwinding but hardly 'boozing' now is it?

Plumbthedepths

Trekker09 wrote:

Surely that depends on the amount consumed as well as drinking while eating.

Have two glasses get in the car and see how you get on with the Guards.

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

cnocbui wrote: »

There were 9 at the table. The waiter didn't seem to think their consumption was out of the ordinary:

Thanks cnocbui. That’s a glass and a 1/2 each. So much for them getting pissed.

Mike9832

splinter65 wrote: »

Terence Stephenson, professor of child health at Nottingham University, believes their use by parents may be misguided.
"Paracetamol doesn't have any sedative properties whatsoever and neither does Nurofen," he says. "It's a widespread misconception that Calpol helps children to sleep. Doctors used to prescribe antihistamines to help children sleep, but not any longer."

Here you go.

Is that an opinion or fact?

Trekker09

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Have two glasses get in the car and see how you get on with the Guards.

But they weren't driving were they? Whats your point?

Mike9832

splinter65 wrote: »

Thanks cnocbui. That’s a glass and a 1/2 each. So much for them getting pissed.

How do you do know they all drank at the same rate?

What about the bottle they finished before going out?

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Have two glasses get in the car and see how you get on with the Guards.

But they weren’t going to drive. Cnocbui has just pointed out it was 5 bottles between 9 people. That’s a glass 1/2 each. Are you still going to insist that they were drunk?
Your going to insist that no parent should ever have a glass of wine with dinner? Do you know how desperate you sound?

Plumbthedepths

splinter65 wrote:

5 bottles of wine between 7 people isn’t really a lot. You forgot there were 7 adults? There! I’ve reminded you! No need to thank me....

It's over half a bottle each. You would certainly be impaired. 5 glasses of wine ( standard glass) in a bottle. 5 bottles = 25 glasses. 7 adults assuming all drank the wine.

Trekker09

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's over half a bottle each. You would certainly be impaired. 5 glasses of wine ( standard glass) in a bottle. 5 bottles = 25 glasses. 7 adults assuming all drank the wine.

Half a bottle of wine over 3 hours! Impaired? FFS get a grip.

Phoebas

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's over half a bottle each. You would certainly be impaired. 5 glasses of wine ( standard glass) in a bottle. 5 bottles = 25 glasses. 7 adults assuming all drank the wine.

That's some standard we're holding the McCann's to.

I wonder is there a non teetotal parent in the country who hasn't had a 1/2 bottle of wine while in charge of their children.

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's over half a bottle each. You would certainly be impaired. 5 glasses of wine ( standard glass) in a bottle. 5 bottles = 25 glasses. 7 adults assuming all drank the wine.

Cnocbui has helpfully pointed out that there were 9 adults. There’s no evidence that either Gerry or Kate drank any wine with dinner, so by your very own standards of proof plumbthedepths we may assume that the drank nothing.
If you can shuffle the facts around to suit your narrative, then so can I.
5 bottles of wine between 9 and no evidence of Gerry and Kate drinking anything and the wine waiter saying he found them all very moderate.
Not pissed
Not langared
Not even drunk.

Mike9832

Phoebas wrote: »

That's some standard we're holding the McCann's to.

I wonder is there a non teetotal parent in the country who hasn't had a 1/2 bottle of wine while in charge of their children.

Not down the pub, while babies are asleep with the front door open

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Trekker09 wrote: »

Half a bottle of wine over 3 hours! Impaired? FFS get a grip.

It’s getting idiotic in here now. With no shame about the stupidity on display.

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Mike9832 wrote: »

Not down the pub, while babies are asleep with the front door open

They weren’t in the pub though.

Phoebas

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Mike9832 wrote: »

Not down the pub, while babies are asleep with the front door open

By all means criticize them for leaving the kids unattended.
But that's a separate argument.

Mike9832

splinter65 wrote: »

They weren’t in the pub though.

It''s an establishment licensed to sell alcohol

It's a pub

Why are you defending them anyway?

Do you approve of what they did?

Mike9832

Phoebas wrote: »

By all means criticize them for leaving the kids unattended.
But that's a separate argument.

Argument about alcohol is silly too

We don't know who drank what

Gerry for we all know drank a full bottle himself and other couples drank very little, who knows

They should have been arrested for neglect that night and tested

Trekker09

Mike9832 wrote: »

Not down the pub, while babies are asleep with the front door open

You really don't see what you're doing do you? It's a Tapas restaurant, not a pub. Yes, they serve drink, but the group went primarily to eat, not go boozing.

They went there for food and a table quiz. They had a couple of glasses of wine over a 3 hour period. The language and words you use are deceptive and deceiving. DO you work for the Sun?

Trekker09

Mike9832 wrote: »

It''s an establishment licensed to sell alcohol

It's a pub

Why are you defending them anyway?

Do you approve of what they did?

It's a licensed restaurant.

splinter65

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Mike9832 wrote: »

It''s an establishment licensed to sell alcohol

It's a pub

Why are you defending them anyway?

Do you approve of what they did?

What did they do?

Phoebas

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Mike9832 wrote: »

They should have been arrested for neglect that night and tested

Their 3 year old girl had just gone missing, possibly abducted. I think the Portuguese police had more pressing concerns that night.

The McCann's have paid a million times over for their own 'neglect'.