Madeleine McCann

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Immortal Starlight wrote: »

Yes it most certainly is.

I’m sorry but that’s not child neglect.

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

Still no discussion on other suspects. Always bringing it back to the McCanns. You're basically proving me correct. Thanks.

Wasn't it you who posted some torturously long copy and paste post about the McCanns and their perceived suspicious behaviour? Hmmm.

Anyhow, you really shouldn't be so concerned about what I'm posting about or about whom I post about and should just continue your 'neutral' discussion about other suspects, but only those about whom you don't get so offended by, you block the posters who bring them up!

Immortal Starlight

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cnocbui wrote: »

Do you believe the tens of thousands of parents of children worldwide who drown, should also be prosecuted, as well as those who die as a result of preventable accidents?

If these parents were out drinking while their children were in an unlocked room in a separate building then the answer is yes.

Immortal Starlight

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Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

I’m sorry but that’s not child neglect.

Yes it is

Immortal Starlight

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SusieBlue wrote: »

Fine then. Other parents have been actually been convicted of committing the most horrific crimes against their children. Physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, to put it lightly.
These parents haven’t received anywhere near the amount of vitriol directed at them that the McCanns have.

All they had to do was look after their children and none of this vitriol would have happened would it.

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

always with these bizzare comparisons.


If you leave 3 kids under 4 alone in an unlocked apartment while you go out drinking


You should be done for neglect.


Regardless of who falls on a sking slope.


Can't believe this continually has to be explained to you.

You always bring up drinking as if it was more than 3 or so glasses of wine and was the principal purpose of the gathering, rather than socialising and conversation among friends and colleagues. It's the sort of knee-jerk focus I'd expect from a former alcoholic it's such an obsessive focus.

weldoninhio

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retro:electro wrote: »

It was almost two hours later. Miss Pennington can’t even be sure when she heard Kate say those words, just that she heard her say them but she’s certain they weren’t the first words from her mouth.

The person who overheard Kate screaming “they’ve taken her” was woken by a knock on her door altering her and her husband to the turn of events at 11:30pm, so approx an hour and a half after it was realised Madeleine was gone. It was then when she heard Kate state these words, “the bastards have taken her”, which aren’t that outrageous when you consider her child had been gone for nearly two hours at this point, so far from a nonsensical accusation, it was more of a realisation she came to nearly two hours later when she realised whoever had taken Madeleine, had probably taken her, and she was unlikely to return.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddie-mccann-kate-gerry-screams-10350597.amp

Also, because I don’t think it can be stated enough on this thread, a few words from the former nanny who was actually there on the night and was witness to the aftermath:

She is still constantly quizzed by people about the case who ask if “the parents did it”.
She said: “I tell them no, there’s no way at all. A, timings and B, where it was, their r­eactions, the whole thing. Not a chance.”


An important observation from someone who was there on the night and witness to the severe distress and panic unfolding before her.

And sorry but I will not take a lecture about knowing the basics from someone who doesn’t know Pat Kenny from Ryan Tubridy and who imagined the audience laughing away at a question that was never even asked. A completely fabricated scenario.

"I was in the apartment less than five minutes after they found that Madeleine had gone.

"When we were coming out we saw Kate and she was screaming: 'They've taken her, they've taken her!'

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Immortal Starlight wrote: »

Yes it is

Wrong. Zero chances of securing a conviction for child neglect in either jurisdiction. None.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

SusieBlue wrote: »

I mentioned nothing about timelines, so that’s a complete red herring to deflect from the actual conversation on your part.
We were discussing the McCanns covering up their neglect, of which you’ve provided no evidence to support.
That’s ok if you don’t have any, let’s just move on now.

I was discussing the McCanns and co covering up for their neglect. You couldn't provide any proof to back up your claim that they were telling the truth.
You can run away from it if you want, I don't care.

cnocbui

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

All they had to do was look after their children and none of this vitriol would have happened would it.

You can say that about any childs accidental death - if only they had....

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

dark crystal wrote: »

Wasn't it you who posted some torturously long copy and paste post about the McCanns and their perceived suspicious behaviour? Hmmm.

Anyhow, you really shouldn't be so concerned about what I'm posting about or about whom I post about and should just continue your 'neutral' discussion about other suspects, but only those about whom you don't get so offended by, you block the posters who bring them up!

Yes, someone asked for the evidence against them, I kindly provided it.

Discussing all suspects is neutral. But thanks for proving my point even further.

the_pen_turner

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from tusla .
The following are features of child neglect:

Children being left alone without adequate care and supervision
Malnourishment, lacking food, unsuitable food or erratic feeding
Non-organic failure to thrive, i.e. a child not gaining weight due not only to malnutrition but also emotional deprivation
Failure to provide adequate care for the child’s medical and developmental needs, including intellectual stimulation
Inadequate living conditions – unhygienic conditions, environmental issues, including lack of adequate heating and furniture
Lack of adequate clothing
Inattention to basic hygiene
Lack of protection and exposure to danger, including moral danger, or lack of supervision appropriate to the child’s age
Persistent failure to attend school
Abandonment or desertion

Immortal Starlight

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cnocbui wrote: »

You can say that about any childs accidental death - if only they had....

Far bigger chance if they are in a roadside unlocked room on their own in a foreign country.

Immortal Starlight

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Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

Wrong. Zero chances of securing a conviction for child neglect in either jurisdiction. None.

It is neglect.

retro:electro

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

Welcome to ignore. Slán leat.

For such a “neutral” and “unemotional” poster you have that many people on ignore, one would be forgiven for thinking you’ve actually no interest in being impartial, and only want to engage with those whose theories you agree with.
That’s one strange dictionary definition of neutral you’re working off.

limnam

the_pen_turner wrote: »

from tusla .
The following are features of child neglect:

Children being left alone without adequate care and supervision
Malnourishment, lacking food, unsuitable food or erratic feeding
Non-organic failure to thrive, i.e. a child not gaining weight due not only to malnutrition but also emotional deprivation
Failure to provide adequate care for the child’s medical and developmental needs, including intellectual stimulation
Inadequate living conditions – unhygienic conditions, environmental issues, including lack of adequate heating and furniture
Lack of adequate clothing
Inattention to basic hygiene
Lack of protection and exposure to danger, including moral danger, or lack of supervision appropriate to the child’s age
Persistent failure to attend school
Abandonment or desertion

Can't believe we've doubled the amount of people who don't see anything wrong with this is in a couple of weeks

It was the one thing previously everyone could agree on.

The reckless neglect.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

limnam wrote: »

Can't believe we've doubled the amount of people who don't see anything wrong with this is in a couple of weeks

It was the one thing previously everyone could agree on.

The reckless neglect.

It's basic stuff. You have to worry for the kids of posters on this thread. Hopefully they don't have any, maybe that's why they are so flippant?

the_pen_turner

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limnam wrote: »

Can't believe we've doubled the amount of people who don't see anything wrong with this is in a couple of weeks

It was the one thing previously everyone could agree on.

The reckless neglect.

i could understand if it was a one off couple of minutes that the supervising adult niped across to colect some food or get a drink etc but hours of neglect every evening from several families

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Let’s play devils advocate. Okay so who verifies that Gerry was at the Tennis Court? Why did he send David Payne to check on his wife and kids (but weird but not out of the ordinary, Gerry said David was there for 30 mins but his wife Kate said 30 servings ( that’sa huge discrepancy)

He was playing tennis with the Tennis coach, Dan, Dr. julian Totman and a man called Curtis. All independent witnesses and not part of his group of friends.

From his statement: https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

They bathed the children, the deponent having left at 18H00 for a tennis game only for men, at which were: DAN, tennis instructor; JULIAN, with whom he had played tennis several times; and CURTIS, with whom he had also played.

During the afternoon of that day the rest of the group members, including the children, were at the beach, [they] having returned at 18H30, the time at which he saw DP next to the tennis court. DAVID went to visit KATE and the children and returned close to 19H00, trying to convince the deponent to continue to play tennis, to which [entreaty] he did not accede as he had already been playing for about an hour and had to go back to to his wife. Nevertheless, RUSSELL, DAVID and MATHEW stayed to play.

So, David Payne, having returned from a beach trip with his family and other members of the group - but not the McCanns - met Gerry at the tennis court at 6.30pm and then went to talk to Kate at her apartment. He then returns to the tennis court just before 7pm and plays tennis himself whilst Gerry goes back to the apartment.

Sorry, but I cannot find Kate's statement in which she says how long David Payne was at the apartment and whether there was a discrepency, however, Payne was at the tennis court, in the vision of independent witnesses, at 6.30pm and again just before 7pm.

Gerry was spotted at 9pm which would make a great alibi then the Smith sighting was later then the Tanner sighting. Could that have been Gerry after he got his alibi by having a conversation with Wilkins? There’s a timeframe if Gerrys tennis can’t be verified outside of his immediate Tapas friends. So say from 5:30-10pm that’s a solid timeframe if they had someone else involved ie: CB ( The horrible job he was quoted from his ex) Now that’s devils advocate and just a quick thought process. Not saying it’s right or wrong but a way it could happen.

The Smith sighting cannot be Gerry, as many independent witnesses put him at the Ocean Club resort at 10pm, the same time as that sighting.

I'm a bit unclear about your last suggestion..are you saying that it's possible that Gerry contacted CB, a paedophile living in a country they'd never visited before, to hand his child over to the day before (May 2nd)?

Apologies if that's not what you're saying, but if so, that goes way beyond playing devil's advocate and there's no proof whatsoever of any connection between the two.

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the_pen_turner wrote: »

i could understand if it was a one off couple of minutes that the supervising adult niped across to colect some food or get a drink etc but hours of neglect every evening from several families

Still not neglect.

SusieBlue

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

I was discussing the McCanns and co covering up for their neglect. You couldn't provide any proof to back up your claim that they were telling the truth.
You can run away from it if you want, I don't care.

You are the one who made the original assertion, which you were unable to back up with supportive evidence. As the person who made the original claim, the onus was on you to provide the proof and you didn’t.
You are the one running away and trying to deflect it on me just because you have nada to offer up besides your opinion :pac:

dark crystal

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

Yes, someone asked for the evidence against them, I kindly provided it.

Discussing all suspects is neutral. But thanks for proving my point even further.

Holy Gozunda, Batman! It's like pulling teeth...

I suggest you scroll past my posts if you think they're not neutral enough and we can stop this silly carry on and continue with the discussion like adults. Feel free to post as many neutral discussions as you like, I'm not stopping you!

the_pen_turner

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Tristen Hissing Typhoon wrote: »

Still not neglect.

except that it is

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

SusieBlue wrote: »

You are the one who made the original assertion, which you were unable to back up with supportive evidence. As the person who made the original claim, the onus was on you to provide the proof and you didn’t.
You are the one running away and trying to deflect it on me just because you have nada to offer up besides your opinion :pac:

If you haven't followed the case closely enough to know about the checking timeline issues then I'm not here to educate you on that. You shouldn't be making claims you can't back up if you haven't followed the case. I've provided enough links for people with getting little thanks for it. More appreciation needed.

callmehal

Accident happened, parents hid body

dark crystal wrote: »

Holy Gozunda, Batman! It's like pulling teeth...

I suggest you scroll past my posts if you think they're not neutral enough and we can stop this silly carry on and continue with the discussion like adults. Feel free to post as many neutral discussions as you like, I'm not stopping you!

Fair enough, another one running along. Do as you wish.

OwlsZat

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

dark crystal wrote: »

He was playing tennis with the Tennis coach, Dan, Dr. julian Totman and a man called Curtis. All independent witnesses and not part of his group of friends.

From his statement: https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

You are quoting Gerry McCann worst parent of the year from his own statements as if it's evidence. Get a grip on reality.

You'd do well to watch the new Netflix show Usual suspects. I'd love to hear your thoughts on episode 2 and the lead suspect. He goes to great lengths to explain how the murder can't be him has he has a perfect alibi. Like Gerry the statement's demonstrate his intelligence but no more.

SusieBlue

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

callmehal wrote: »

If you haven't followed the case closely enough to know about the checking timeline issues then I'm not here to educate you on that. You shouldn't be making claims you can't back up if you haven't followed the case. I've provided enough links for people with getting little thanks for it. More appreciation needed.

Why are you bringing up the timeline, you’re moving the goal posts? We weren’t discussing timelines, at no time did I question the timeline or anything to do with the tapas group?
We were discussing the McCanns doing a cover up to hide their neglect.
It seems you cannot back up your assertion that they were trying to cover up their neglect with any conclusive evidence and now you are throwing out red herrings to deflect. It’s so transparent.

SusieBlue

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

OwlsZat wrote: »

You are quoting Gerry McCann worst parent of the year from his own statements as if it's evidence. Get a grip on reality.

You'd do well to watch the new Netflix show Usual suspects. I'd love to hear your thoughts on episode 2 and the lead suspect. He goes to great lengths to explain how the murder can't be him has he has a perfect alibi. Like Gerry the statement's demonstrate his intelligence but no more.

You’re the one who needs to get a grip on reality, there are parents out there who torture, beat, starve, and sexually abuse their kids for years on end and you’re calling him worst parent of the year?

OwlsZat

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

SusieBlue wrote: »

You’re the one who needs to get a grip on reality, there are parents out there who torture, beat, starve, and sexually abuse their kids for years on end and you’re calling him worst parent of the year?

The McCanns were shockingly hopeless negligent parents. The title worst parent is well earned by our Gerry.

OwlsZat

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Susie, Dark and Electro. In a couple of sentences can you explain why you defend the McCanns when they were obviously negligent parents? What motivates you?