Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Madeleine McCann

Options
1…199200202204205…264

Comments

  • Options
    #6032
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,914 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    It's been posted in thread a number of times the exact quotes.

    Feel free to search.

    You are almost trolling. Neither the police, nor the McCanns, were aware he was a pedophile at the time, and you know it.


  • Options
    #6033
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    cgcsb wrote: »
    Leaving the door open, tampering with the window from the inside, arranging for friends to lie about the checks and the time line and drugging the kids is a good start. None are conclusive, but still more than they have on the german guy.

    But you’ll have to give us proof that these things actually happened, not just inside your head, or we’ll have to come to the conclusion that you just made this all up.
    You do understand that “evidence” (proven facts) and your opinion are not the same thing?


  • Options
    #6034
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    You are almost trolling. Neither the police, nor the McCanns, were aware he was a pedophile at the time, and you know it.


    I didn't say they did. I just said he is one. which he is.


  • Options
    #6035
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    splinter65 wrote: »
    “It's hard to find empathy for someone when they're spending their time drinking brandy with a pedophile laughing and joking how the dogs the public spent a lot of money on to try help find their daughter wouldn't be able to be used in evidence against them.”

    Can you point out the chapter in her book where she describes their experience with Freud in this manner.
    Please be aware I have that book.
    Maybe you can copy and paste that but so we can all read it.
    Is it not a fact that because it suits you, you choose to interpret her description in this manner?
    I note that you don’t dispute any of my allegations. That’s interesting.

    What I find funny is the things that are inferred about Kate, Gerry and Freud because they drank brandy with him after Madeleine went missing, there must have been some collusion going on there in relation to why she’s missing. These things are implied all the time here despite absolutely no evidence to suggest it.

    But the German guy who was in the area at the time she disappeared and is already in jail for sex crimes, he gets defended because “there’s no evidence”.
    Strange mob aren’t they. I wonder are they usually this selective in what paedos they choose to defend.


  • Options
    #6036
    Neyite
    Administrators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Neyite


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Yeah we all know it was irresponsible to leave the kids alone, I don’t see why this needs to be repeated every few posts as if it’s some brands new fresh conclusion that hasn’t been mentioned constantly in every single conversation on every single platform about this case since the very minute it happened.

    I’m sure Kate & Gerry know they made a horrific error of judgment and they’ll pay for that mistake for the rest of their living days, it is possible to discuss the case without saying ‘but they shouldn’t have left the kids alone’ every two seconds. We know they shouldn’t have left them alone.

    They don't agree though. Everyone is saying that they probably deeply regret leaving the children and feel that they made an error of judgement, but they don't. They've continued to strongly deny that they did anything wrong in habitually leaving the children alone every evening. They've defended that decision every single time. They absolutely reject the idea that they were in any way neglectful to the children by leaving them alone in an unlocked apartment, and have threatened lawsuits towards any publications /websites that suggest it.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #6037
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    retro:electro wrote: »
    What I find funny is the things that are inferred about Kate, Gerry and Freud because they drank brandy with him after Madeleine went missing, there must have been some collusion going on there in relation to why she’s missing. These things are implied all the time here.

    But the German guy who was in the area at the time she disappeared and is already in jail for sex crimes, he gets defended because “there’s no evidence”.
    Strange mob aren’t they. I wonder are they usually this selective in what paedos they choose to defend.

    The defence of the paedo is interesting and quite telling I think. Poor man just about to be released from prison facing this ordeal.


  • Options
    #6038
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭limnam


    retro:electro wrote: »
    What I find funny is the things that are inferred about Kate, Gerry and Freud because they drank brandy with him after Madeleine went missing, there must have been some collusion going on there in relation to why she’s missing. These things are implied all the time here.

    I don't care that she was drinking brandy with him.

    I don't care that he's a pedophile.

    I am concerned in her relief the dogs would not be used in the courtroom against her. As the public had spent an awful lot of money and the dog and their owners were trying to assist in finding their daughter.

    Noting funny about it.

    What is not so much funny, but utterly bizzare that the "McCann brigade" would go out of there way to try to also discredit the man and the dogs when all he was doing was helping.
    retro:electro wrote: »
    But the German guy who was in the area at the time she disappeared and is already in jail for sex crimes, he gets defended because “there’s no evidence”.
    Strange mob aren’t they. I wonder are they usually this selective in what paedos they choose to defend.

    He's not been defended for his sex crimes.
    There's nothing remotely linking him to the crime.

    Mrs.Mcan on the other hand has a lot to answer for.

    Which she refused to while a suspect. That itself is an issue.


  • Options
    #6039
    TheW1zard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Changing their stories, friends contradicting each other, window only opening from the inside, major holes in timelines, kids not waking up when cops were there (drugged), hire car, mobile phone pings, not answering questions in police interviews, language analysis of the parents pointing to deception,cadaver dogs,screaming abduction straight away, jane tanner, bar staff stating Gerry was gone for a period, the list goes on.
    That's all called evidence, evidence in a criminal investigation.


  • Options
    #6040
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    splinter65 wrote: »
    The defence of the paedo is interesting and quite telling I think. Poor man just about to be released from prison facing this ordeal.

    Imagine hating the McCanns so much you defend a paedophile.

    Grim but not surprising.


  • Options
    #6041
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,301 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Something Else
    splinter65 wrote: »
    But you’ll have to give us proof that these things actually happened, not just inside your head, or we’ll have to come to the conclusion that you just made this all up.
    You do understand that “evidence” (proven facts) and your opinion are not the same thing?

    Like I said there is no conclusive proof they killed her, but there's suspicion. Of the information that's in the public domain so far, there's more on the McCanns than our German. The German only has a City of residence at the time of events.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #6042
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,301 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Something Else
    retro:electro wrote: »
    But the German guy who was in the area at the time she disappeared and is already in jail for sex crimes, he gets defended because “there’s no evidence”.
    Strange mob aren’t they. I wonder are they usually this selective in what paedos they choose to defend.

    Nobody has defended him, posters have merely stated that there is no evidence (in the public domain at least) that indicates he done it. By all means he is a person of interest, in the same way that everyone with a record who was in the area at the time is a person of interest.


  • Options
    #6043
    TheW1zard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    splinter65 wrote: »
    But you’ll have to give us proof that these things actually happened, not just inside your head, or we’ll have to come to the conclusion that you just made this all up.
    You do understand that “evidence” (proven facts) and your opinion are not the same thing?

    He was stating the evidence, you're changing the goal posts because it doesn't suit you. There is no concrete proof, and there's no evidence the German fella did it. There is plenty of evidence the parents did it, which was what he was saying.


  • Options
    #6044
    Babooshka
    Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Like I said there is no conclusive proof they killed her, but there's suspicion. Of the information that's in the public domain so far, there's more on the McCanns than our German. The German only has a City of residence at the time of events.

    Yeah sure he only raped an elderly woman in the resort a couple of years before the little girl went missing, that's all. He was only a known burglar and sexual predator, that's all.


  • Options
    #6045
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭limnam


    Babooshka wrote: »
    Yeah sure he only raped an elderly woman in the resort a couple of years before the little girl went missing, that's all. He was only a known burglar and sexual predator, that's all.

    How many kids did the man she was drinking brandy with rape?


  • Options
    #6046
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,301 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Something Else
    Babooshka wrote: »
    Yeah sure he only raped an elderly woman in the resort a couple of years before the little girl went missing, that's all. He was only a known burglar and sexual predator, that's all.

    Yes, all good points, he might have done it, but there's no proof (that we know of). The most compelling thing going for him is what he said drunk in a bar in 2017 coupled with his whereabouts at the time and past crimes.

    Freud could have also done it, in fact being closer to the family is even more suspicious. They say that these people often know their victims a long time before they strike.


  • Options
    #6047
    TheW1zard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Babooshka wrote: »
    Yeah sure he only raped an elderly woman in the resort a couple of years before the little girl went missing, that's all. He was only a known burglar and sexual predator, that's all.

    The German guy raped the elderly woman in the Ocean Club resort?


  • Options
    #6048
    Babooshka
    Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    limnam wrote: »
    How many kids did the man she was drinking brandy with rape?


    I can't answer your question and I doubt you can. You are always all over anyone who disagrees with your theories and I won't be engaging with you after this because I find you particularly aggressive on these particular threads, I had an unfortunate experience of your vitriol years back and don't want to go there again. I'd honestly get help, or take up a hobby.


  • Options
    #6049
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I don't care that she was drinking brandy with him.

    I don't care that he's a pedophile.

    I am concerned in her relief the dogs would not be used in the courtroom against her. As the public had spent an awful lot of money and the dog and their owners were trying to assist in finding their daughter.

    Noting funny about it.

    What is not so much funny, but utterly bizzare that the "McCann brigade" would go out of there way to try to also discredit the man and the dogs when all he was doing was helping.



    He's not been defended for his sex crimes.
    There's nothing remotely linking him to the crime.

    Mrs.Mcan on the other hand has a lot to answer for.

    Which she refused to while a suspect. That itself is an issue.

    You refuse to accept the conclusion of the German police regarding Christian B. On what grounds ?


  • Options
    #6050
    Babooshka
    Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    TheW1zard wrote: »
    The German guy raped the elderly woman in the Ocean Club resort?

    Yes he's serving time for it currently. Edit: in Praia da Luz...not the ocean club.


  • Options
    #6051
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    TheW1zard wrote: »
    Changing their stories, friends contradicting each other, window only opening from the inside, major holes in timelines, kids not waking up when cops were there (drugged), hire car, mobile phone pings, not answering questions in police interviews, language analysis of the parents pointing to deception,cadaver dogs,screaming abduction straight away, jane tanner, bar staff stating Gerry was gone for a period, the list goes on.
    That's all called evidence, evidence in a criminal investigation.
    Yes you’ve said. But you’ve not yet shown us any link that any of these things actually happened or that any of them are relevant outside of your imagination. Can you really not see the difference?


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #6052
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭limnam


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You refuse to accept the conclusion of the German police regarding Christian B. On what grounds ?

    You refuse to accept the conclusion of the Portuguese police on what grounds?


  • Options
    #6053
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Babooshka wrote: »
    I can't answer your question and I doubt you can. You are always all over anyone who disagrees with your theories and I won't be engaging with you after this because I find you particularly aggressive on these particular threads, I had an unfortunate experience of your vitriol years back and don't want to go there again. I'd honestly get help, or take up a hobby.

    Come on now go easy on him. The theory that they have fantasised about for thirteen years now could quite possibly not be true. There’s a lot of hurt and anger about. Don’t take it personally.


  • Options
    #6054
    Babooshka
    Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Yes, all good points, he might have done it, but there's no proof (that we know of). The most compelling thing going for him is what he said drunk in a bar in 2017 coupled with his whereabouts at the time and past crimes.

    Freud could have also done it, in fact being closer to the family is even more suspicious. They say that these people often know their victims a long time before they strike.

    (That we know of) - that is the point, we don't get all of the information from the police, ever, it would stop them making any arrests if all information was in the public forum. I am pretty sure that the police and trained detectives are much more capable of discerning who is more likely to have done this than a group of gap fillers trying to complete a jigsaw they only have three quarters of the pieces of.


  • Options
    #6055
    TheW1zard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Babooshka wrote: »
    Yes he's serving time for it currently. Edit: in Praia da Luz...not the ocean club.

    By your logic then any rapist who is in prison is proof that they murdered or abducted a missing person, if they are in the same town.
    Its completely unrelated, there is no evidence or proof this German fella has anything to do with it.

    On the other hand there is evidence the parents had something to do it.


  • Options
    #6056
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The parents did it
    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Yeah we all know it was irresponsible to leave the kids alone, I don’t see why this needs to be repeated every few posts as if it’s some brands new fresh conclusion that hasn’t been mentioned constantly in every single conversation on every single platform about this case since the very minute it happened.

    I’m sure Kate & Gerry know they made a horrific error of judgment and they’ll pay for that mistake for the rest of their living days, it is possible to discuss the case without saying ‘but they shouldn’t have left the kids alone’ every two seconds. We know they shouldn’t have left them alone.

    As long as people continue to claim otherwise perhaps?

    Was I not quoting other users?


  • Options
    #6057
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭limnam


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Come on now go easy on him. The theory that they have fantasised about for thirteen years now could quite possibly not be true. There’s a lot of hurt and anger about. Don’t take it personally.

    Nonsense. Very happy for whomever is responsible to be caught and rot in hell.

    If it's the German it's the German. He's not a personal friend.

    When the next "major breakthrough" is forgotten about we'll be back here again and no one will take any pleasure in it.

    What's important is the truth and the people responsible is caught. Some people only care that it's _not_ the McCanns i don't care who it is as long as their caught.

    That's the difference here.


  • Options
    #6058
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭limnam


    TheW1zard wrote: »
    By your logic then any rapist who is in prison is proof that they murdered or abducted a missing person, if they are in the same town.
    Its completely unrelated, there is no evidence or proof this German fella has anything to do with it.

    On the other hand there is evidence the parents had something to do it.

    How many pedophiles were in the area at the time?

    IIRC too bloody many and she was socialising with one of them.


  • Options
    #6059
    Babooshka
    Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    TheW1zard wrote: »
    By your logic then any rapist who is in prison is proof that they murdered or abducted a missing person, if they are in the same town.
    Its completely unrelated, there is no evidence or proof this German fella has anything to do with it.

    On the other hand there is evidence the parents had something to do it.

    It's not my logic, it's the logic of 3 police forces in different countries!


  • Options
    #6060
    TheW1zard
    Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Accident happened, parents hid body
    Babooshka wrote: »
    It's not my logic, it's the logic of 3 police forces in different countries!

    I was highlighting you said the same resort, stick to the facts of the case.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #6061
    Babooshka
    Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    TheW1zard wrote: »
    I was highlighting you said the same resort, stick to the facts of the case.

    "The same resort" is as reported, verbatim in the newspapers, Praia da Luz is known as a resort. That ok with you Sherlock?


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement