Poppy

It's all poppycock Reginald.

The Rape of Lucretia

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

The upkeep of national monuments around the whole country (ie 32 counties). It might surprise you to know that there are thousands and thousands of these, and some (possibly even most) would fall into complete disrepair if they weren't maintained. Not that you'd probably care.

Focusing on the money is just petty. Wearing a poppy is fundamentally about remembrance, commemoration, recognition, and remembrance. Society acknowledging those who gave their lives is a noble cause, and displaying it trough a small annual visible symbol is beyond reasonable criticism (unless you are bitter, vindictive, and cannot let go of the past and see the bigger picture of course).

Auguste Comte

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Focusing on the money is just petty. Wearing a poppy is fundamentally about remembrance, commemoration, recognition, and remembrance. Society acknowledging those who gave their lives is a noble cause, and displaying it trough a small annual visible symbol is beyond reasonable criticism (unless you are bitter, vindictive, and cannot let go of the past and see the bigger picture of course).

Could you explain how the Iraq war was "a nobel cause"

citytillidie

Auguste Comte wrote: »

Could you explain how the Iraq war was "a nobel cause"

Nobel Cause in Ireland ???

Ragnar Lothbrok

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Focusing on the money is just petty.

I wasn't "focusing on the money". Aegir asked me a direct question about what happens to the money raised by selling Easter Lilies, and I answered.

sbsquarepants

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Focusing on the money is just petty. Wearing a poppy is fundamentally about remembrance, commemoration, recognition, and remembrance. Society acknowledging those who gave their lives is a noble cause, and displaying it trough a small annual visible symbol is beyond reasonable criticism (unless you are bitter, vindictive, and cannot let go of the past and see the bigger picture of course).

Don't be so ridiculous - if it wasn't about the money, they wouldn't be selling the damn things!

Sunny Disposition

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Don't be so ridiculous - if it wasn't about the money, they wouldn't be selling the damn things!

As with many organisations it is very important to focus on the money.

fryup

the shinners were busy down in ennis

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018/1024/1006507-ennis-memorial/

Capt'n Midnight

lawred2 wrote: »

Isn't the poppy a lovely color all the same though?

white poppies are distributed by the Peace Pledge Union - the UK's oldest secular and pacifist group.

Just need some blue poppies to complete the set.

Ragnar Lothbrok

fryup wrote: »

the shinners were busy down in ennis

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018/1024/1006507-ennis-memorial/

You know for a fact that a member of Sinn Féin did that? I very much doubt it.

As a "Shinner" myself, I find that act of vandalism disgusting.

bnt

Does anyone know where poppies are for sale in Dublin city centre?

Feisar

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Completely different in my opinion. Working in a commercial industry is not the same as working for a foreign military.

Where would the loyalty of the Irish in the British armed forces really lie, in the hugely unlikely scenario that British military forces take action against Ireland in the future?

I think Tom Barry answered that one for you.

Spook_ie

bnt wrote: »

Does anyone know where poppies are for sale in Dublin city centre?

RBL Ireland in Molesworth Street, Sky News running an article on it

https://news.sky.com/story/first-world-war-centenary-why-ireland-remains-divided-over-the-poppy-11547700

Never knew this though

He's keen to stress that all funds raised by the Legion's Irish branch stays in the country, and is used to help Irish ex-servicemen and women - a fact often overlooked by critics of the symbol.

ednwireland

Le Bleuet De France

or a white poppy imo

blanch152

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

I don’t wear either, I feel the Lilly has been tainted. Tbh you could wear one and criticize the other if that’s your belief though.
I’d have no problem with the poppy appeal if the money was just for WW1 memorials, but putting your cash into the hands of the scum who were behind Bloody Sunday, killing Aidan McAnespie etc is just vile.
It’s a pity it is so associated with remembering the dead, who obviously can’t benefit, Lee Clegg and his likes are the ones who will benefit.

Given the money stays in Ireland, do you still have a problem with it?

Spook_ie wrote: »

RBL Ireland in Molesworth Street, Sky News running an article on it

https://news.sky.com/story/first-world-war-centenary-why-ireland-remains-divided-over-the-poppy-11547700

Never knew this though

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

The irony here is utterly beautiful. Remind me, now... the poppy imperialism in 2018 is organised by... the Royal British Legion...which... in 1938 was...like the British government (shhh) ... supporting fascism and oppression in Germany, just as it had been since the Nazis came to power in January 1933? Response: "You have to understand, the communists were the real danger in the 1930s and we saw Hitler as a bulwark against them!" Tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner.

Who are these lovely opponents of fascism and oppression, to whom you allude, talking to that great humanitarian with the moustache in 1938, 5 years after the first Nazi Concentration Camps (Dachau, March 1933) were opened, 3 years after the explicitly and shockingly anti-Semitic Nuremberg Laws were passed, 3 years after Britain had signed the lucrative Anglo-German Naval Agreement 1935, and in the same year as Britain and the US, definitely not on their post-WWII high horses, shamefully refused to accept any more Jewish refugees at the Évian Conference 1938? (The poor Dominican Republic agreed to accept 100,000 Jewish refugees)





If you answered "Oh, that's Major Francis Fetherston-Godley, Chairman of the British Legion, leading a delegation to Mr Hitler to tell him how the British Legion had raised 20,000 British volunteers to help the Nazis "police" the Sudetenland area of Czechoslovakia Germany had just invaded" you'd get full marks.

Appendix 1: British Legion plan for police force in Czechoslovakia

British collaboration with Nazi Germany 1932-39: acceptable
Anybody else's collaboration with Nazi Germany after Britain stopped collaborating in September 1939: "oh my God, I can't believe you collaborated with those evil Nazis!"

The jingoistic, revisionist John Bull comedies about "standing up to oppression" are consistently entertaining. Not least because you still had my people in the Occupied Six Counties faoi chois in a British settler-colonial herrenvolk statelet - a statelet whose powers were infamously the envy of the apartheid South African Minister for Justice, B.J. Vorster in a parliamentary speech as late as 1967- long after you're trying to pass yourselves off as heroes of the oppressed above.

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

Great laugh, thanks for it. The British as Nazi collaborators, even Monty Python would have struggled to pull off that as a comedy sketch.

ednwireland

ednwireland wrote: »

Le Bleuet De France

or a white poppy imo

what's the difference between a french Bluet and a red poppy?

Odhinn

blanch152 wrote: »

Given the money stays in Ireland, do you still have a problem with it?

The problem isn't with where the money goes geographically.

murpho999

Why is this discussed ever year?

The Poppy is a British and Commonwealth symbol.

Ireland is not British nor a member of the Commonwealth. Why do people feel we should adopt a foreign country's symbol?

Other countries such as USA, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Russia who all suffered greatly in wars do not use the poppy and have their own commemoration events. They do not really mark Armistice day as the have their own dates.

We are no different to them.

jim o doom

Honestly, I don't care what the poppy or any badge symbolises. I'm not putting on a symbol because a large chunk of a population thinks that I should. Screw that, it's a personal choice, and bullying a person because they personally chose not to wear some stupid symbol is retarded.

Spook_ie

Whatever people's feelings about the poppy, I hope you all take a moment on Sunday 11th to remember the Centenary of the end of WW1.

There is a remembrance event at St. Patrick's Cathederal.

ohnonotgmail

murpho999 wrote: »

Why is this discussed ever year?

The Poppy is a British and Commonwealth symbol.

Ireland is not British nor a member of the Commonwealth. Why do people feel we should adopt a foreign country's symbol?

Other countries such as USA, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Russia who all suffered greatly in wars do not use the poppy and have their own commemoration events. They do not really mark Armistice day as the have their own dates.

We are no different to them.

No they dont use the poppy but the french and belgians do celebrate armistice day as do the poles. The french use a blue cornflower as a symbol instead of a poppy. The italians also celebrate it but do it a week earlier as their role in WW1 ended a bit before fighting and france and belgium. The dutch dont as they were no involved in WW1. the Americans already had their own memorial day so they rolled it into that. The germans dont for obvious reasons.

zapitastas

Even if it was just confined to WW1 it us inappropriate for Irish people to wear one given the many thousands of British soldiers that subsequently donned the balck and tan uniform. Absolute dregs of humanity. Lest we forget

mariaalice

zapitastas wrote: »

Even if it was just confined to WW1 it us inappropriate for Irish people to wear one given the many thousands of British soldiers that subsequently donned the balck and tan uniform. Absolute dregs of humanity. Lest we forget

What has that got to do with the WW1?. A plain shamrock excluding the poppy would be an excellent symbol considering.

Over 200,000 Irishmen fought in the war,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_and_World_War_I

The fact that a lot of it was a poverty draft is irrelevant.

Graces7

Spook_ie wrote: »

Whatever people's feelings about the poppy, I hope you all take a moment on Sunday 11th to remember the Centenary of the end of WW1.

There is a remembrance event at St. Patrick's Cathederal.

Thank you. I will be there, on the internet.

MikeyTaylor

A bit off topic I know, but I discovered this eccentric singer from Boston the other day and guess what her name is?

That's right. Poppy.

zapitastas

mariaalice wrote: »

What has that got to do with the WW1?. A plain shamrock excluding the poppy would be an excellent symbol considering.

Over 200,000 Irishmen fought in the war,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_and_World_War_I

The fact that a lot of it was a poverty draft is irrelevant.

What do you think it has to do with WW1? the black and tans were returning soldiers. Although predominantly English, not all of them were as there were also Irish soldiers in the mix.

mariaalice

zapitastas wrote: »

What do you think it has to do with WW1? the black and tans were returning soldiers. Although predominantly English, not all of them were as there were also Irish soldiers in the mix.

I mean what has it do with the end of WW1, it was a different conflict the black and tans are very much alive in the folk memory of Irish society about 10% were Irish.


You appear to be conflating two different issue.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-catholics-made-up-10-of-black-and-tans-1.1154713

murpho999

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

No they dont use the poppy but the french and belgians do celebrate armistice day as do the poles. The french use a blue cornflower as a symbol instead of a poppy. The italians also celebrate it but do it a week earlier as their role in WW1 ended a bit before fighting and france and belgium. The dutch dont as they were no involved in WW1. the Americans already had their own memorial day so they rolled it into that. The germans dont for obvious reasons.

So as I said the poppy is only used by Commonwealth countries so there is no reason for Irish people to wear it at all.

Spook_ie

zapitastas wrote: »

What do you think it has to do with WW1? the black and tans were returning soldiers. Although predominantly English, not all of them were as there were also Irish soldiers in the mix.

None of those who DIED in WW1 returned, those are the ones that REMEMBERANCE is about.