Star Wars: The Mandalorian [** Spoilers **] [Disney+] (US Pace)

Gbear

Really don't see the point in recasting. They could just create a similar character.

It's not like she had any relationships or plot points that are unresolved.

pixelburp

kerplun k wrote: »

If she’s being recast can we start calling this a firing now

You'd have to wonder if she realises she made a huge mistake in an inability to filter her brainfarts. Imagine going back to just 2000 and trying to explain Twitter to someone, and how it's used by celebrities. You'd be thought mad. I'm sure Carano's production with Ben Shapiro will be just as big though, oh yes. :rolleyes:

Agent Coulson

I'd say herself and Bill Burr had some great philosophical debates during breaks in filming

kerplun k

pixelburp wrote: »

You'd have to wonder if she realises she made a huge mistake in an inability to filter her brainfarts. Imagine going back to just 2000 and trying to explain Twitter to someone, and how it's used by celebrities. You'd be thought mad. I'm sure Carano's production with Ben Shapiro will be just as big though, oh yes. :rolleyes:

It seems to be the braindead sports stars that are especially prone to these social media transgressions.

I think in Carano's case, she simply didn’t care, or am I giving her too much credit.

I wonder if Carano is considered to be part of the intellectual dark web now.

kerplun k

pixelburp wrote: »

Imagine going back to just 2000 and trying to explain Twitter to someone, and how it's used by celebrities.

I think this is how I’d explain it.
Smart celebrities use it as a revenue stream, dumb celebrities use it to get fired.

Tony EH

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Looks like Cara Dune is going to be recast.

That's just a bad idea. No two ways about it.

Tony EH

pixelburp wrote: »

You'd have to wonder if she realises she made a huge mistake in an inability to filter her brainfarts. Imagine going back to just 2000 and trying to explain Twitter to someone, and how it's used by celebrities. You'd be thought mad. I'm sure Carano's production with Ben Shapiro will be just as big though, oh yes. :rolleyes:

LOL, Ben Shapirio to the rescue.

I think the fact that she's an heiress to a multi million dollar casino concern may have coloured her view to any kind of future projects. The fact that money is no object to her and won't be probably allowed her to stick the blinkers on.

She could have carved out a nice little career for herself, albeit in really limited roles.

Maybe, at the end of the day, she just wasn't that interested?

Penn

Tony EH wrote: »

LOL, Ben Shapirio to the rescue.

I think the fact that she's an heiress to a multi million dollar casino concern may have coloured her view to any kind of future projects. The fact that money is no object to her and won't be probably allowed her to stick the blinkers on.

She could have carved out a nice little career for herself, albeit in really limited roles.

Maybe, at the end of the day, she just wasn't that interested?

All that physical strength, but not enough psychological strength to not be a jackass on social media.

silverharp

Tony EH wrote: »

LOL, Ben Shapirio to the rescue.

I think the fact that she's an heiress to a multi million dollar casino concern may have coloured her view to any kind of future projects. The fact that money is no object to her and won't be probably allowed her to stick the blinkers on.

She could have carved out a nice little career for herself, albeit in really limited roles.

Maybe, at the end of the day, she just wasn't that interested?

apparently she was only getting 25-50K an episode so, what she is missing out on a couple of hundred K for a few years, if it mattered to her Im sure she could recoup that with a Youtube channel

EltonJohn69

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'd say herself and Bill Burr had some great philosophical debates during breaks in filming

Bill did say he was sad that his friend got fired/canceled.

Foxtrol

kerplun k wrote: »

It seems to be the braindead sports stars that are especially prone to these social media transgressions.

I think in Carano's case, she simply didn’t care, or am I giving her too much credit.

I wonder if Carano is considered to be part of the intellectual dark web now.

Her goal is similar to most right wing trolls.

None of this was a mistake, the goal is to offend and if there is any sort of repercussions to act like the victim.

kerplun k

Foxtrol wrote: »

Her goal is similar to most right wing trolls.

None of this was a mistake, the goal is to offend and if there is any sort of repercussions to act like the victim.

I think there’s a lot more nuance to it than that. It’s more than simple trolling. People genuinely believe stuff like a stolen election, antivaxers, mask hoaxers, etc. While others are just frustrated at how liberal the media is and it’s all exacerbated by social media.

The thing with Gina Carano is small fry, but thinking that this is something as simple as trolling is exactly the type of thing that gets people like Donald Trump into power.

Tony EH

silverharp wrote: »

apparently she was only getting 25-50K an episode so, what she is missing out on a couple of hundred K for a few years, if it mattered to her Im sure she could recoup that with a Youtube channel

Yeh, but "little acorns" and all that jazz.

She was being groomed for, practically, her own show with the space rangers thing, or whatever it was called.

If she boxed clever a bit more should could have carved out a nice little career for herself.

Agent Coulson

They could just replace the fired Gina Carano with Ronda Rousey one MMA fighter for another and Ronda is a way bigger star name who I would say would jump at the chance to be in the show.

silverharp

Agent Coulson wrote: »

They could just replace the fired Gina Carano with Ronda Rousey one MMA fighter for another and Ronda is a way bigger star name who I would say would jump at the chance to be in the show.

its risky in the sense that 90% of people who watched this show wont know about the controversy, recast her then lots more people will be curious and will start googling.
Have to say I find Gina's hero arc far more interesting than Ray's ever was

CramCycle

I think recasting is a terrible idea, she is established, albeit a very short time. You can do it with prequels to an extent but the show is new, it is a practice that doesn't fit and never works. Just stop writing about her, and have another character come in to fill the role if needed with a different name.

pixelburp

Recasting draws attention to the issue more than a simple character swap would. Does perhaps tip the hat that Disney had more planned for her than just occasional guest star in Mandoland. Cos there really wasn't anything lost by having Cara Dune die off screen.

Penn

Agent Coulson wrote: »

They could just replace the fired Gina Carano with Ronda Rousey one MMA fighter for another and Ronda is a way bigger star name who I would say would jump at the chance to be in the show.

Ronda is definitely a way bigger star name. She's also a much worse actor which is saying something.

Just have someone say Cara Dune walked off into the sunsets or is off fighting on one of the other gajillions of planets. Bring in a few new characters instead, especially since Mando's story is now going off in a new direction with Grogu being gone and the whole Mandalore story which seems like the next arc.

CramCycle

Penn wrote: »

Ronda is definitely a way bigger star name. She's also a much worse actor which is saying something.

Just have someone say Cara Dune walked off into the sunsets or is off fighting on one of the other gajillions of planets. Bring in a few new characters instead, especially since Mando's story is now going off in a new direction with Grogu being gone and the whole Mandalore story which seems like the next arc.

Indeed, Mandalorian doesn't need her for any story conclusions. This ranger show could have any made up character. Would have been nice to have an established character to bring people in but lets be honest, completely unnecessary and probably more believable to have an entirely new cast.

Penn

CramCycle wrote: »

Indeed, Mandalorian doesn't need her for any story conclusions. This ranger show could have any made up character. Would have been nice to have an established character to bring people in but lets be honest, completely unnecessary and probably more believable to have an entirely new cast.

"My sister was a Ranger too. Her name was Cara Dune. I'm now hunting for her killers. My name is Sara Dune."

Easy.

fitz

Penn wrote: »

"My sister was a Ranger too. Her name was Cara Dune. I'm now hunting for her killers. My name is Sara Dune."

Easy.

Thought exactly the same thing. Or they could go with a member of her former unit.

Agent Coulson

She gave a sit down interview with Ben Shapiro on his network. I wouldn't mind watching it however there is no way I'm giving Ben Shapiro any views to build up his numbers.

"I've been through so much, and I've seen so much now, clearly, of the bullying that's been taking place, and I saw it before... I'm not the only one that's ever been bullied by this company, and I know that so deeply. I could share a story which would turn things around in the media but I can't because it would sell out a friend... Everyone is afraid of losing their job.

"You know how boxers head-hunt sometimes and forget to go for the body? I feel like Disney or Lucasfilm or whoever it is, just certain people at that company... I feel like I've been being head-hunted... They've been all over me and they've been watching me like a hawk, and I'm watching people on the same production and they can say everything they want, and that's where I had a problem. I had a problem because I wasn't going along with the narrative."

"When you called, my body is still shaking. It's devastating, but the thought of this happening to anybody else, especially to somebody who could not handle this the way I can, no, they don't get to do that. They don't get to make people feel like that... and if I buckle, it'll make it okay for these companies, who have a history of lying, to be lying and to do this to other people, and they've done it to other people, and I'm not going down without a fight."

https://deadline.com/2021/02/gina-carano-interview-details-mandalorian-exit-ben-shapiro-daily-wire-1234697380/

pixelburp

Man, the persecution complex is strong here, mixed with cynical winks and nods towards insinuated shenanigans. That's Carano's career dead in the water, idiotic strategy given the sway Disney has in the market these days. Good readmeat for the audience I guess, though TBH "Disney is evil" is not an exclusive belief for the alt-right crowd

Agent Coulson

And Shapiro is going to exploit the hell out of her and when she is no longer any benefit to him he will toss her a side.

kerplun k

The titbits from that interview give me the impression that she cared more than I thought about the firing. I’d say the friend she’s referring to is Bill Burr.

silverharp

kerplun k wrote: »

The titbits from that interview give me the impression that she cared more than I thought about the firing. I’d say the friend she’s referring to is Bill Burr.

Bill Burr came out and supported her, note seems like he couldnt mention her name or Disney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKb4x6UhovY

pixelburp

kerplun k wrote: »

The titbits from that interview give me the impression that she cared more than I thought about the firing. I’d say the friend she’s referring to is Bill Burr.

Presumably but it's such a wishy washy accusation to throw out. Oh I know something that'll blow Disney's reputation out of the water, but I won't say cos a friend told me. So she's basically making them complicit along with herself. Assuming it's anything beyond "Disney are total àssholes... Which. Yeah. We know". It's also essentially trashing the Mando production, with its ensemble of respected veterans (mind you, so was Whedon so who knows).

Ultimately I think it's sad. As Agent Coulson says Shapiro will just use her like a prize pony to peddle this "evil liberal Hollywood" schtick for a while. I'd speculate if he'll even follow through on this movie production promised to her. While CoVid conspiracies and all that is just a sad, desperate echo chamber to get sucked into. A bit like Gemma O'Doherty over here I just wonder what kind of support network Carano has that they let her make these decisions.

CramCycle

silverharp wrote: »

Bill Burr came out and supported her, note seems like he couldnt mention her name or Disney.

I get what Bill is saying, and he is right but lets be honest here. 1, the last tweet she sent wasn't why she was fired. 2, someone with more understanding than most of us, I imagine, had sat her down to try and do what Bill said and her response didn't imply she got any of it, or if she did, that she is a deeply unpleasant person. Credit where credit is due though, she can act better than she lets on if those statements to Ben were read with sincerity in her voice.

silverharp

CramCycle wrote: »

I get what Bill is saying, and he is right but lets be honest here. 1, the last tweet she sent wasn't why she was fired. 2, someone with more understanding than most of us, I imagine, had sat her down to try and do what Bill said and her response didn't imply she got any of it, or if she did, that she is a deeply unpleasant person. Credit where credit is due though, she can act better than she lets on if those statements to Ben were read with sincerity in her voice.

Im trusting Bill is a better judge of character than some randomer who doesnt know her so Ill take a punt and say she isnt a deeply unpleasant person.
One of the starting points of this was that she reacted to being bullied on line for not adding pronouns to her bio, so she added in something like Beep Bopp, this got one lot of crazies after here. When the Disney Commissars talked to her about this they ended up agreeing with her position and didnt take any offense.

Disney should learn that Twitter mobs dont buy Disney products , services or use their theme parks.

pixelburp

That may be so, but posting support for CoVid and "stolen election" conspiracies probably did much of the damage in the long run too. There's a combined volume of garbage spouted by her here, that cuts beyond the convenience of labelling her a victim of American liberalism gone mad. Posting an anti mask agenda during a pandemic, then support for de-legitimising the national election - support that turned into a violent storming of government buildings? it's not a great read of the room.

She became more trouble than it was worth but TBH, she should have been quietly written out of the series. No fuss, no public "she won't be back", plausible deniability for what amounted to a side character at best. Because this has all become a little bit of a Barbara Streisand Effect. Certainly, especially if suddenly Carano has become a feted victim in the eyes of the Shapiro's of American culture.

I admit it's dogmatic on my part but anyone who tweets CoVid conspiracies under the guise of feigning intellectual curiousity can f*ck right off. Can't believe it's a year, yikes.