Sweden Riots

jaykay74

Kivaro wrote: »

The Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has just been ousted in a no-confidence vote. This is a direct result of the insane open border policies that the country had in place until recently and the swing to the right as a direct result.
Angela Merkel has again been responsible for another change in direction of a European country who could not cope with her open invitation to all and sundry around the planet to come to Europe.

Italy and Austria are leading the way in changing the open-border mindset and many other countries are now following suit.
Europe needs migration. But not in a chaotic, uncontrolled manner.

The Social Democrats have been in trouble for a long time.

From 2006 to 2014, the Social Democrats lost two consecutive terms to the centre-right Alliance, due to the centrist liberal attitudes of then Prime Minister Frederik Reinfeldt attracted some of the S voters.

They had a shakey coalition last time and now its back to center right Alliance again.

piplip87

Governments have to stop pandering to libreals. The UK is a fine example. Halal meats now complusary is many schools and supermarket chains, Sharia councils are now dealing with crime in Thier own communities, Muslim women are still been beaten, raped and face total domination from Thier male counterparts.

There is a massive amount of sex offences in the UK committed by Muslim men, disporptate is the amount of Muslims in the country. This is happening all over Europe but in efforts not to offend a blind eye is turned and those who speak out are labelled islamaphobic ? Surely speaking out about religion is nothing more than disagreeing with an idea ?

This is turning people further to the right and playing into the hands of those who really are racist and will use this to Thier own advantages.

Why don't the far left start protesting outside mosques over the treatment of women in this community

Grayson

piplip87 wrote: »

Governments have to stop pandering to libreals. The UK is a fine example. Halal meats now complusary is many schools and supermarket chains, Sharia councils are now dealing with crime in Thier own communities, Muslim women are still been beaten, raped and face total domination from Thier male counterparts.

There is a massive amount of sex offences in the UK committed by Muslim men, disporptate is the amount of Muslims in the country. This is happening all over Europe but in efforts not to offend a blind eye is turned and those who speak out are labelled islamaphobic ? Surely speaking out about religion is nothing more than disagreeing with an idea ?

This is turning people further to the right and playing into the hands of those who really are racist and will use this to Thier own advantages.

Why don't the far left start protesting outside mosques over the treatment of women in this community

If you look at the number of muslim men in prison for sex offences it's about the same proportions as non muslims. It's been covered here a few times.

jaykay74

piplip87 wrote: »

Governments have to stop pandering to libreals. The UK is a fine example. Halal meats now complusary is many schools and supermarket chains, Sharia councils are now dealing with crime in Thier own communities, Muslim women are still been beaten, raped and face total domination from Thier male counterparts.

There is a massive amount of sex offences in the UK committed by Muslim men, disporptate is the amount of Muslims in the country. This is happening all over Europe but in efforts not to offend a blind eye is turned and those who speak out are labelled islamaphobic ? Surely speaking out about religion is nothing more than disagreeing with an idea ?

This is turning people further to the right and playing into the hands of those who really are racist and will use this to Thier own advantages.

Why don't the far left start protesting outside mosques over the treatment of women in this community

You forgot that Birmingham is a no go area :pac::D

piplip87

Grayson wrote: »

If you look at the number of muslim men in prison for sex offences it's about the same proportions as non muslims. It's been covered here a few times.

https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gang-convictions-84-asian-say-researchers-11164589

Organised sexual abuse rings are 84% exclusively Asian. That's the other this the UK media are saying Asian alot more.

A grooming gang can have hundreds of victims.

That's not saying that other religions do not abuse and rape we are fully aware that this happened in this country.

There is an Asian problem in the UK. Until the UK stops pandering and labeling anybody who says it as islamaphobic the problem will get worse.

Multiculturalism must be followed by intergation but when you have one group that does not want to integrate, this is what happens.

irishproduce

Kivaro wrote: »

The Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has just been ousted in a no-confidence vote. This is a direct result of the insane open border policies that the country had in place until recently and the swing to the right as a direct result.
Angela Merkel has again been responsible for another change in direction of a European country who could not cope with her open invitation to all and sundry around the planet to come to Europe.

Italy and Austria are leading the way in changing the open-border mindset and many other countries are now following suit.
Europe needs migration. But not in a chaotic, uncontrolled manner.

And as usual, fúck all from RTE on it.
They are all over this Kavanaugh thing, reporting it in a very one sided matter too. Jesus something needs to happen at RTE

4068ac1elhodqr

Grayson wrote: »

If you look at the number of muslim men in prison for sex offences it's about the same proportions as non muslims. It's been covered here a few times.

Is that right? So the 15% (muslim over-representation) of the 'Eng&Wales PP' are all simply doing time for white collar crime, or driving offences then?

Captain Obvious

piplip87 wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gang-convictions-84-asian-say-researchers-11164589

Organised sexual abuse rings are 84% exclusively Asian. That's the other this the UK media are saying Asian alot more.

A grooming gang can have hundreds of victims.

That's not saying that other religions do not abuse and rape we are fully aware that this happened in this country.

There is an Asian problem in the UK. Until the UK stops pandering and labeling anybody who says it as islamaphobic the problem will get worse.

Multiculturalism must be followed by intergation but when you have one group that does not want to integrate, this is what happens.

Those are different claims though. Muslim men being over represented in a particular type of sex crime does not mean they are over represented in sex crimes in general.

Grayson

piplip87 wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gang-convictions-84-asian-say-researchers-11164589

Organised sexual abuse rings are 84% exclusively Asian. That's the other this the UK media are saying Asian alot more.

A grooming gang can have hundreds of victims.

That's not saying that other religions do not abuse and rape we are fully aware that this happened in this country.

There is an Asian problem in the UK. Until the UK stops pandering and labeling anybody who says it as islamaphobic the problem will get worse.

Multiculturalism must be followed by intergation but when you have one group that does not want to integrate, this is what happens.

The post said sexual crimes. The post said muslims were more likely to commit them. The percentage of muslim men who commit commit sex crimes is roughly the same as the rest of the population. It's a blatant lie to say otherwise

PlaneSpeeking

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Those are different claims though. Muslim men being over represented in a particular type of sex crime does not mean they are over represented in sex crimes in general.

Let's pass that on to the thousands of rape victims of these South Asian sex gangs.

They will surely gain such comfort for knowing that they were just unlucky that they were victims of "one type of sex crime".

FFS.

Captain Obvious

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Let's pass that on to the thousands of rape victims of these South Asian sex gangs.

They will surely gain such comfort for knowing that they were just unlucky that they were victims of "one type of sex crime".

I can't imagine it would give them much comfort at all. It doesn't surprise me that the likes of you would try use their emotional trauma in an effort dismiss a fact.

Grayson

Atticus Quaint Watchband wrote: »

Is that right? So the 15% (muslim over-representation) of the 'Eng&Wales PP' are all simply doing time for white collar crime, or driving offences then?

Maybe, you're not actually posting the figures for sex offences. And if you look at them, they are available I've posted them in threads before, then you'll see that they are not over represented for sex crimes.

You looked for a figure that you liked rather than going for an actual figure which would back up your assertions.

And even through 12 k in prison is a greater proportion, but it's 12k out of 2.6 million. There are 2.6 million muslims in the uk. 12k are serving time. That's about 0.4% according my my rough calculation.
According to the figure you have there are 1.5k buddhists in prison. Googling the number of buddhists in the UK I see that there are 151k. That means that about 1% of buddhists are in prison. Why aren't you ranting and raving about buddhists?

So think about it, if you know a thousand muslims then 4 will be criminals. That really shows that it's a religion of criminals, doesn't it. It's definitely a defining characteristic. It's a HUGE trend in that religion. Based on that figure I'd feel safe saying that indeed all muslims are criminals or a potential threat. I'd feel scared just meeting one.

Captain Obvious

Grayson wrote: »

Maybe, you're not actually posting the figures for sex offences. And if you look at them, they are available I've posted them in threads before, then you'll see that they are not over represented for sex crimes.

You looked for a figure that you liked rather than going for an actual figure which would back up your assertions.

And even through 12 k in prison is a greater proportion, but it's 12k out of 2.6 million. There are 2.6 million muslims in the uk. 12k are serving time. That's about 0.4% according my my rough calculation.
According to the figure you have there are 1.5k buddhists in prison. Googling the number of buddhists in the UK I see that there are 151k. That means that about 1% of buddhists are in prison. Why aren't you ranting and raving about buddhists?

So think about it, if you know a thousand muslims then 4 will be criminals. That really shows that it's a religion of criminals, doesn't it. It's definitely a defining characteristic. It's a HUGE trend in that religion. Based on that figure I'd feel safe saying that indeed all muslims are criminals or a potential threat. I'd feel scared just meeting one.

If you look at my conversation with that poster over the last couple of pages you'll see he doesn't actually care for facts at all.

tretorn

Whats happening in Sweden makes for very sad reading.

Is Sweden the country that has a predominately female government.

SnakePlissken

Grayson wrote: »

If you look at the number of muslim men in prison for sex offences it's about the same proportions as non muslims. It's been covered here a few times.

You are wrong... I'm sure the usual suspects on After Hours will try to argue against statistics but there's no helping these people.

SEXUAL ABUSE AND THE ATTITUDES TOWARD WOMEN.

According to the available census data from the UK (2011) Muslim men account for approximately 2.2% of the overall population.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ntity/religion

Yet according to available data from the UK's Ministry of Justice, 12% of all convicted rapists serving time during the year 2014 were Muslim.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ape-muslim.doc

When it comes to grooming gangs the statistics are even more damning, with 75% of all convicted groomers coming from this same 2.2% sector of society.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...al-abuse-gangs

Do I believe all Muslims are rapists? Absolutely not, of the UK's approximately 1,330,000 adult male Muslims, the vast, vast majority have never been sexually abusive, yet why they are demonstrably four times more likely to commit abuse than other members of society needs further discussion in a level headed manner.

Grayson

Those links aren't working. They've all shortened.

conorhal

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Those are different claims though. Muslim men being over represented in a particular type of sex crime does not mean they are over represented in sex crimes in general.

Statistics are meaningless when the powerful and corrupt spent a couple of decades brushing the crimes of certian comunities and under the carpet and refusing to investigate.

The recent spate of prosecutions and convictions after scandal blew the lid off the groming gangs is likely to have a big impact on those statistics, so no doubt the Brits, like the Swedes, will probably just stop reporting on the demographics involved soon enough, since that is how the authorities seem to address the problem and why the public don't trust them.

Captain Obvious

conorhal wrote: »

Statistics are meaningless when the powerful and corrupt spent a couple of decades brushing the crimes of certian comunities and under the carpet and refusing to investigate.

OK, keep relying on your feelings so.

conorhal wrote: »

The recent spate of prosecutions and convictions after scandal blew the lid off the groming gangs is likely to have a big impact on those statistics, so no doubt the Brits, like the Swedes, will probably just stop reporting on the demographics involved soon enough, since that is how the authorities seem to address the problem and why the public don't trust them.

This was just discussed on the previous page.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

The right wing government saw the statistics office as too socialist so they disbanded their version of the CSO and transferred the responsibility of keeping statistics to other departments.

Crime figures were then the responsibility of the National Council of Crime Prevention. Instead of annual statistics their idea was to study the issue and release detailed reports on crime sporadically. The last report was in 2005 after a period of high immigration following the war in Yugoslavia. It showed much the same results as the previous ones. New immigrants are more likely to be involved in crime and this goes down in each successive generation.

Billy86

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Let's pass that on to the thousands of rape victims of these South Asian sex gangs.

Nope, you don't get to use that one. When the report of over a thousand children, suspected to be even into the multiples thousands, being abused by Catholic priests in the US came up a few weeks ago, your response was that it was made up.

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

"We believe"- so making up numbers then for effect ?

Don't for one moment even pretend that you care about the victims, as you've already shown beyond all doubt that you don't.

4068ac1elhodqr

Grayson wrote: »

Maybe, you're not actually posting the figures for sex offences. And if you look at them, they are available I've posted them in threads before, then you'll see that they are not over represented for sex crimes.

The breakdown of specifc crime types was not published in the 2016 report.
You're not actually posting the figures for sex offences, just assuming.

Grayson wrote: »

You looked for a figure that you liked rather than going for an actual figure which would back up your assertions.

What is know is 'offences against the person' is generally the largest crime by type in the UK. Like places such as Sweden, specifics regarding 'race-v-crime' aren't always easily available to the public. The latest offical UK report didn't this include neither.

Grayson wrote: »

And even through 12 k in prison is a greater proportion, but it's 12k out of 2.6 million. There are 2.6 million muslims in the uk. 12k are serving time. That's about 0.4% according my my rough calculation.

What a very, very lazy comparision indeed. So your pleased that 2.8Mus in the UK (less in EngWales) 12k are locked up. 0.42%

And approx there are approx 35m Christians in Eng&Wales, yet less than 39k in prison. <0.11%.

Grayson wrote: »

According to the figure you have there are 1.5k buddhists in prison. Googling the number of buddhists in the UK I see that there are 151k. That means that about 1% of buddhists are in prison. Why aren't you ranting and raving about buddhists?

Lazy reasoning again. The crime levels of the 5 Eskimos is largely irrelevant as you should know. If there was a couple of million sure factor them in.

Grayson wrote: »

So think about it, if you know a thousand muslims then 4 will be criminals. That really shows that it's a religion of criminals, doesn't it. It's definitely a defining characteristic. It's a HUGE trend in that religion. Based on that figure I'd feel safe saying that indeed all muslims are criminals or a potential threat. I'd feel scared just meeting one.

Think about this. Just 0.11% of Christians are locked up, but many more 0.42% of Muslims are, Oh dear.

Captain Obvious

Atticus Quaint Watchband wrote: »

The breakdown of specifc crime types was not published in the 2016 report.
You're not actually posting the figures for sex offences, just assuming.

As are you.

4068ac1elhodqr

Captain Obvious wrote: »

As are you.

Just 0.11% of Christians are locked up, but many more 0.42% of Muslims are.

Now again, as the breakdown of crime by religion isn't reported, are we to assume (well, actually you 'are' assuming) they're all just white collar criminals or locked up for low level crimes, but certainly nothing of a sexual nature, oh no.

Basic reasoning would suggest there is x4 likelyhood they're locked for any offence (on average) than average Christians are.

PlaneSpeeking

Billy86 wrote: »

Nope, you don't get to use that one. When the report of over a thousand children, suspected to be even into the multiples thousands, being abused by Catholic priests in the US came up a few weeks ago, your response was that it was made up.



Don't for one moment even pretend that you care about the victims, as you've already shown beyond all doubt that you don't.

Jesus that's idiotic even for here!

Captain Obvious

Atticus Quaint Watchband wrote: »

Just 0.11% of Christians are locked up, but many more 0.42% of Muslims are.

Now again, as the breakdown of crime by religion isn't reported, are we to assume (well, actually you 'are' assuming) they're all just white collar criminals or locked up for low level crimes, but certainly nothing of a sexual nature, oh no.

Basic reasoning would suggest there is x4 likelyhood they're locked for any offence (on average) than average Christians are.

That's a lot of words to admit you are simply making up figures.

Billy86

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Jesus that's idiotic even for here!

Yes I know, it's decidedly idiotic that you somehow think people will believe you care about victims of child abuse when it's Muslims or foreigners doing it, after your going out and claiming the child abuse was made up lies when it was Catholic priests that were doing it only a few weeks ago in the US.

4068ac1elhodqr

Captain Obvious wrote: »

That's a lot of words to admit you are simply making up figures.

So you're saying 15% isn't an over-representation. Truth denier?
Maybe there is 8.4m Muslims living in Eng&Wales, by your account.



Ah don't worry about that +7.7% increase.

Captain Obvious

Atticus Quaint Watchband wrote: »

So you're saying 15% isn't an over-representation. Truth denier?
Maybe there is 8.4m Muslims living in Eng&Wales, by your account.



Ah don't worry about that +7.7% increase.

You aren't even trying to be believable any more. Show us the proof that Muslims are overrepresented in overall sex crimes.

4068ac1elhodqr

Captain Obvious wrote: »

You aren't even trying to be believable any more. Show us the proof that Muslims are overrepresented in overall sex crimes.

Show us they aren't. You've already proved yourself poor at maths and statistical averages.

I have a good book here on probability if you can/like to read.

Captain Obvious

Atticus Quaint Watchband wrote: »

Show us they aren't. You've already proved yourself poor at maths and statistical averages.

I have a good book here on probability if you can/like to read.

Grand so. We can just accept you are making it up. Much like your claims about why Sweden don't publish detailed crime stats any more.

sameoldname

Can I just ask... Once I start hating all the Muslims, will I be as miserable as you guys? Because it's really putting me off...