Nvidia RTX Discussion

Lumen

As far as the "insane coolers" are concerned, I reckon the engineers knew that the cooling on the higher end 30 series was marginal at best, and so went to town on the 40 series cooler design before it became clear what the power requirements were going to be from the TSMC silicon.

Then having developed the cooling design, it made no sense to discard it once the power requirements were known, because coolers aren't that expensive in BOM terms (as evidenced by the massive CPU air coolers you can get for next to nothing) and good cooling results in a nicer user experience. I have a 3070 and a 3080 and the 3070 build is so much nicer - almost completely silent. I'd love that in a high end card. A power limited 4090 seems like a near-perfect product, size and cost aside.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739802#Comment_119739802

DLSS 1 was quite crap at launch, it took more iterations until it became a game changer. Let's wait a bit until we judge DLSS 3.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739741#Comment_119739741

The DLSS 3 hardware block (the "optical flow accelerator" as they call it) is at the end of the pipeline, so if it's even possible to do it in software it will not bring any performance improvement. But sure they might be able to bring some approximation of DLSS 3 on 3000 series, but what would be the point of that? Quality and performance will be significantly worse and no one will actually use it.

wotzgoingon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739810#Comment_119739810

Pics or it didn't happen.

Joking but any pics of the card?

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119740477#Comment_119740477

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Some card, it's so quiet

Headshot

My next purchase will be a ATX 3.0 power supply when they come out

Hate seeing those GPU power cables like that

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119739827#Comment_119739827

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-4090-suprim-liquid-x/

If you're really going for it...

harmless

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119740744#Comment_119740744

Max board power limit 70 watts lower than FE.......

TheValeyard

Have 3090, makes zero sense to upgrade at present. Maybe a liquid cooled card in the future. Probably wait until a 5000 series. I tend to skip a generation then buy.

wotzgoingon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119740689#Comment_119740689

Looks good. They knew it weighed so much they included a arm to hold it up. Haha!

_CreeD_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119740744#Comment_119740744

I was eyeing the Aorus Waterforce for the 360fan setup but from what we've seen so far it's likely not going to affect the real bottleneck. Still will wait for a review.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N4090AORUSX-W-24GD#kf

Also this wave of slowly animating web pages as you scroll is bloody obnoxious.

frozenfrozen

I got a PayPal refund for the 4090 from maxburns with no explanation, waiting on a reply from them now. Not ideal if they've cancelled it after I've passed a couple other opportunities to buy thinking mine was sorted.

edit: and the reply I'm looking for is just if it was charged twice or something, and one has been refunded, or if the actual order is cancelled I don't know

Dcully

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119740689#Comment_119740689

Enjoy your beast man, when are you selling that rig ? :P

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119743060#Comment_119743060

I never even heard of Maxburns, how much was the 4090 if you don't mind me asking? Be interesting to see the prices compared to Germany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119743091#Comment_119743091

lol not any time soon, I've had the same rig for 2-3 years at this point with the GPU only recent update

I've calmed down at my age :D

frozenfrozen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119743172#Comment_119743172

I'd never heard of them either but look to be based in Ireland anyway. Price was €2,176.15 incl vat+post for an inno3d 4090. There's still a charge pending on my card, and there had been something like 3 charges pending for it, so I'm hoping the refund was because paypal messed up and it'll actually still be on the way.

I think I can source a different one from paradigit anyway if this falls through but it'll be a few hundred more so absolutely not ideal

Spear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119743198#Comment_119743198

Maxburns is Irish based, they used to have a store in Dublin city centre, they've been around for years. I've never dealt with them, so this isn't a recommendation, just that they're not new or unknown.

frozenfrozen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119744384#Comment_119744384

thanks I don't think I've been scammed anyway but I want to be sure whether its actually cancelled or not. I'll have to wait for confirmation before I go trying to order from somewhere else

edit:

so forgot I could just ring them since they're in Dublin. Rang them very nice people, they have a system linked up with their supplier and that stopped being updated for whatever reason due to error and so they were left with 2 cards showing in stock. So the order is cancelled and they'll ring back if they get any back in.

Very nice to deal with would recommend them for checking out in future just based on that.

Mr Crispy

Hahaha.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/12gb-4080-unlaunch/

Sierra Oscar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119745180#Comment_119745180

Good. Hopefully we see it launched for what it is - a 4070 with a lower price tag.

Cordell

Having two GPUs with the 4080 designation is confusing

...and being confusing totally wasn't our intention, but we had second thoughts, we don't want people who are looking to buy a 4080 to settle for the cheap "4080"

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119745210#Comment_119745210

Or as a 4070 ti with the same price tag

Lumen

Go home nvidia, you're drunk.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119745321#Comment_119745321

Nah just greedy

Icyseanfitz

Are they going to change the MSRP of the 4080 so, or are xx80 cards going to start at $1199 from now on. imagine if they launch the 4070 at $800 or more 🤦

Mr Crispy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119745533#Comment_119745533

There's room for a 4080 Ti in the line-up but they'll try to milk as much out of the current 4080 price point you'd imagine. 🙄

Icyseanfitz

**** 4060 will probably MSRP for $600 - $700 at this stage 🤣

harmless

This decision must be fun for the AIBs. How conveniant that there was never going to be an FE 4080 12gb.

I'd say EVGA are very happy with their decision.

Sierra Oscar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119745678#Comment_119745678

The removal of the 12GB variant does make a hames of the pricing for Nvidia. At least with it they could claim the 4080 was $900, now the base price is $1,200.

Base price for the 3080 and 2080 was $699, 1080 was $599 and 980 was $549.

That's some jump in price for the xx80 range. It's an awful mess.

You'd wonder if there could be a downward revision of the 4080 MSRP. I would have said no way, it's Nvidia we're dealing with after all. At the same time, I am surprised they did a u-turn on the 12GB variant. It seems like the public backlash has been damaging enough for them to alter course. Maybe more u-turns to come?

Homelander

They probably also realise they could stand to lose market share in a bad way. Intel have realised an extremely decent first stab at the ARC cards that will only improve with a) drivers and b) more development, AMD's gearing up for RDNA 3 across the board and they have solid pricing on the current line.

At the end of the day, the big money is in affordable, mainstream cards, and in that designation I include in that the budget line right up to the upper mid-tier, not literally just your RTX3050s, ARC 750's, or whatever.

There's a reason cards like GTX780, GTX980, 980Ti, 1070, 1070, 1080Ti etc were so successful. Offered clearly defined massive gains on the previous gen while costing less, and there was a real, clear level of scalability as well.

Like, you could buy the GTX970 for 350, and it was better than the GTX780, which cost a ton more. Same with the 1070, and so on.

That's just disappeared on the Nvidia side. Every year, prices racing up, and they justify them by aggressively pushing tech features that honestly, most people don't really care for. It started with the RTX cards. They justified the increased prices because of ray tracing, but the cards were total dogshit at Ray Tracing to begin with. And the vast majority of people didn't - and largely still don't - overly care about RT at all.

Buying an RTX2070 and selling my 1080ti was one of my worst purchases, I was a total sucker. Oh cool, I can see reflections in the puddles in BFV, but I have to run at low-medium settings 60-70fps compared to ultra 100fps normally.

Sure, they will always sell a certain amount of premium cards, but the majority of people just aren't going to spend 800-1.2k on what should be mid to higher range cards, and that's completely putting aside the top tier, which have always been bonkers money anyway.

Ultimately, the simple truth is that the average gamer simply does not have anywhere near that sort of money to spend on cards, and even those that do, the majority won't spend it either because the value is just horrible.

It's one thing to indulge yourself and shell out 500-600 for a high-end card, but I feel Nvidia totally lost the run of themselves amid the Crypto craze and somehow convinced themselves that the GPU bubble would never burst and they could indefinitely keep jacking prices up.

I really hope AMD kick them hard in the balls with RDNA 3.

It's not just the prices though, Nvidia have always been up to crappy practices. When AMD was offering 4 and 8GB variants, Nvidia was offering 3 and 6, even though at the time of release 3GB was cutting it extremely fine.

Nvidia even started introducing generational replacements with less vram than the predecessor card, forcing you to buy the next tier up to get that boost in vram. Again, something AMD generally has never done.

K.O.Kiki

RTX 3080 Founders Edition (i.e. at MSRP of 700+tax) was the last GREAT performance improvement. The 3090 was a sick joke - double the price for double the VRAM and not much else.

3060 Ti (again, at MSRP) was the last great bargain, being a 400-quid 1080 Ti/2080 Super beating GPU.

wotzgoingon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746479#Comment_119746479

Because of mining many people paid way more than MSRP for both those cards you mentioned.

Same happened me with my 6900 XT. I remember at launch day thinking why the hell would I spend a grand on that card. Couple of weeks or months later (I forget which) I ended up managing to get on off AMD direct and it felt like I was getting a bargain despite paying a grand for it.