Nvidia RTX Discussion

K.O.Kiki

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5090-with-missing-rops-now-offered-as-b-stock-product-by-german-retailer-costs-e2899

Absolutely brazen shamelessness from Alternate

Dcully

https://youtu.be/NTXoUsdSAnA?si=lRRthPpHhz9I5-dv

Interesting vid from GN

harmless

I had so many issues until I reverted to the drivers from December (566.36)

Stock levels seems to have improved greatly recently, prices are still bad but most retailers now have 5070, 5070ti and 5080. No 5090s in stock though.

5000 generation is a joke though, 5070ti is €1000 and only 30% faster than the 3080 that I've had since 2020

K.O.Kiki

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5070-drops-to-e569-in-france-12-below-launch-price

RTX 5070 seems to not be shifting units, dropping in price all over Europe.

liamtech

The RTX 3060 12GB – why do the Usual Suspect YouTube’s hate it so much!

So the MSI 3060 12GB dual fan (Ventus 2X) is currently less than 285 on Amazon. Now before I continue, let me give some context

I had a GTX1060 which, really if I’m honest, never gave me any issues with games until very recently. In fact, I probably would have soldiered on with it for a while more, were it not for my machine effectively serving as a backup for my wife’s work computer – she is a graphics designer, and as such, she tends to use After Effects, and Advance 3D Renderer a lot. And i think the 1060s 6GB VRAM was starting to have issues with it. For my part I also frequently began to notice lags, stalls and occasional crashes in games – and HWMontitor would show a serious amount of VRAM usage – basically it was maxing out. I was fine with reducing textures, and resolution, but I thought it was more sensible to upgrade.

The trouble was that most GFX cards within my budget, of an NVidia variety (best for AE and Adobe in general), only had 8GB VRAM – 4060, many 4060TIs, and even some of the new 5000 series still only offer an 8GB version – Only when you spend more than 450 odd euro, do you see a jump up to 12, or 16GB –

Except the 3060, which is available with 12GB for 285 on Amazon – Cut a long story short, i checked benchmarks, for me, Cuda Cores for her, and went for it – and its FANTASTIC – Storms along in everything – iv cranked textures and settings well up – i have yet to experiment with ray tracing but from where i am sitting, its a huge upgrade - and well worth the price – on AE and 3DR it bombs through – no issues

My question to you folks, is why does this card get so much hate – i found so many Youtube Influencers slating it – complaining that its ‘top of the pile on Steam’ and ‘it shouldn’t be’ – because its crap -iv seen people say it has ‘too much VRAM’, and refer to it as a SCAM card – Iv read comments on Reddit claiming people are foolish for falling for this card – and even saying that people are being ripped off – i used to work in peats, and iv built machines as far back as super socket 7s. And honestly iv never seen such negativity over what, seems to me, to be a sturdy durable upgrade.

Is this just marketing BS? I got 8 years out of a Gigabyte Windforce 1060 6GB – it never struggled until recently – and its Achilles heel was the 6GB – that is literally the reason i sold it – the 3060 12GB seems like a card that will last just as long – and probably a lot longer than ‘higher performing’ cards with only 8GB – with more and more games supposedly failing to run at acceptable levels on 4GB and 6GB cards – is it not just a matter of time before this happens with the 8GBs? To me at least, it seems like the moment a game begins to struggle properly with 8GB at 1080p – then it wont matter how fast the card is – it just wont cut it anymore –

Im honestly just looking for opinions – im happy with my purchase, but it almost seems like NVidia are now selling 5060s 4060s and others with 8gb, as a form of built in obsolescence – and these YT Influencers are either useful idiots, or going along with it –

Love to hear peoples thoughts - i can provide links to the YTubers in question and to various commentary on this subject

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414038#Comment_123414038

Probably as the price/performance at launch (for the actual price, rather than MSRP) wasn't great for quite a cutdown card vs. 3060TI, however, I don't think that makes much of a difference today and it will be a good uplift over the 1060. The 3060 isn't really fast enough to play at resolutions where 8GB is too small, but if you are using the RAM for other apps, it'll still come in handy. The 4060/5060 will be faster barring some very few edge cases (and better texture compression methods in the newer chips will make up for this).

As it's taking longer between node shrinks (or non-existent as this gen is just optimised nodes), generational uplift is less than it used to be and relies on other techniques (DLSS, Frame Generation) which trigger some people as they are purely about raw power (ignoring all the optimisation that occur during rasterisation as well). We used to get 100% uplift gen on gen and now it's more like 25%, still better but not that much better after waiting 2 years.

Higgo84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414038#Comment_123414038

This is a wild guess and have no sources but maybe it was too expensive when new and there was better cards for cheaper.(or better value for the money) It's a few years old now so it should obviously be cheaper than when new which is why you got a deal.

liamtech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414772#Comment_123414772

I get what you are saying of course - but in terms of longevity, the time will come where 1080P games will probably require more vram - and even after that i can reduce the res and textures - i guess my point is that it seems to me that the 3060 will have a longer useful life - i mean i got over half a decade out of the 1060 - turning down textures and settings worked until recently - and it just strikes me that the extra Vram will undoubtedly be used at some stage -

But anyway its interesting - The complaints today are quite odd - and the card has leeped in use on the steam servers - its not the most popular desktop card on steam - it just seems like the campaign against it is fairly widespread and current -

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414784#Comment_123414784

Yea absolutely get that - and its no doubt related to the reviews of the 5000s which are less than stellar -

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123415124#Comment_123415124

I'd be sceptical on that, the rasterisation/memory (and memory speed) balance is quite mismatched on it hence why the TI 8GB (and will remain much better) was the much better board at the time of launch for the relatively small price difference.

But the 3060 is a perfectly good upgrade for you for your usage and for that price point, you don't need a message board to justify your purchase.

(FYI, these type of things have happened in the past where RAM was lumped onto a card to make up for a poor chip, I don't think this is an extreme case but people got tricked into buying a "2GB" card over "1GB" because more was better).

liamtech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123415177#Comment_123415177

I appreciate that i really do - and yes i remember cards being sold in the past with large amounts of video ram - which was intended to cloud a persons view of just how good (or bad) a card was -

Its happened for decades - and Nvidia are absolutely prime culprits - I can think of several examples - back as far as the GeForce 2MX - 20 years ago - the higher end had 64MB, and the lower end (Ghastly low by comparison) also had 64MB - and more recently they have added extra RAM to many of their lower end cards - i think there was a 920 that had 2GB - and i seem to recall the GeForce 510 had 2GB - which for such a poor card was entirely uneeded - it was meant to make you think it was decent because its VRAM was so close to flagship - ATI (now AMD) were not innocent of this, but they tended to do it to a lesser degree

Im not trying to justify my decision - like you said, it was my choice - and for me, with the games i play, along with my wifes AE and 3DR work, its the best choice - she uses the extra VRam for sure

But the 3060 is not an entry level card by a long stretch - every metric i have seen would suggest that the 4060 is a mere 20% better than the 3060, if even that - Which really isnt that much by a long stretch - Comparing graphics cards can be quite difficult but most places i have looked have suggested perhaps a 50% increase compared to what we know about the 5060 (which seemingly no one has at present)

https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-3060-vs-GeForce-RTX-5060-Ti

Have a look at the above, which compares the 3060 to a 5060TI - The difference is obviously in favour of the blackwell card - but heck, like you said before - the gain we are making in generational jumps (even in this case, a two generation jump) is nothing to be insanely satisfied with

if we stay within roughly the same tier - that is the x060s - give or take - I could make a case for the 3060 being the better value option. Longevity wise, it should remain useful for longer with the extra VRam.

But its being slated, and it seems generally unusual to me - in the past when something represented fantastic value, it tended to be shouted from the rooftops - but real valid YTubers and influencers seem to be slating it, and it seems to be quite deliberate - And much of the discussion around the 5000s seem to be trying to justify lower amounts of Video Ram -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJmSKelnkIo&ab_channel=TechArc

One of the few videos iv found about this -

Anyway, im not trying to get into an argument about this card - just genuinely seeing what people think

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123416009#Comment_123416009

The RX 3060 12GB is basically a PS5, and thus I expect it to be "okay" right until Sony unveils the PS6 in around 2027.

On the PC side though, it's a 4yo GPU that, in its price class, is beaten by the more recent AMD RX 7600 XT 16GB - same performance in RT, +20% in raster.

And the reason it's so popular on PC is basically

1. OEMs only put Nvidia in their gaming PCs
2. People buy them used, for cheap, from ex-cryptominers

liamtech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123416462#Comment_123416462

thats true - i built a system with the RX 7600 a while ago for a friend - Its a great card

Unfortunitely it doesnt work with Adobe Advance 3D Renderer so i didnt consider it for an upgrade - im kinda stuck with NVidia for that reason

https://helpx.adobe.com/ie/after-effects/using/advanced-3d-renderer.html

In terms of the PS5 Analogy, i suspect i will use the 3060 for a lot longer myself - I tend to just dial down the settings on games rather than rush to upgrade - it was different when 200-300 bought you a near top tier card

Youd have to go back to the 2000s but back then i had a FX5900 which was the second or third top GFX card you could get - and it didnt break 350 euro i seem to remember

The top tier has migrated into the over 2 grand price catagory now so - il be dialing down the settings if i get stuck

cornholio509

Looks like Nvidia ia at it again . Computex has Tech youtubers slating nvidia over previews of the 5060 . Basically they found that drivers were been withheld for the sake of previews to increase public interest in it . Reviewers are not happy .

https://youtu.be/QtFDz-BQLew

https://youtu.be/8RHQJenbuIc

https://youtu.be/AiekGcwaIho

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liamtech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123464128#Comment_123464128

Has anyone actually managed to do a review of the 5060? Im really curious, because all i have seen is that there are no drivers being made available

cornholio509

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123464726#Comment_123464726

Not one has done a review as of yet . Some youtubers have done previews but that is controlled content by nvidia . Only those doing previews of the gpu with nvidia sanctioned benchmarks got the drivers .

K.O.Kiki

Also a lot of them are at Computex.

Coyler

https://youtu.be/2e1a2-VxxvQ?si=suC-tj2db2dw0gPp

This could have been good. 12GB VRAM would have given it a better edge. Not to mention the x8 PCIe bandwidth. Priced lower it could turned heads but the hints are dropping that the 9060 is going to be the better option at the current price.

Probably sell by the truckload.

K.O.Kiki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Ob40dZ3JU

RTX 2080 Ti besting RTX 5060 in many titles, 7 years later.

Icyseanfitz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123497896#Comment_123497896

1080ti enters the chat :D