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Dairy Chitchat 3

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    #8192
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    Say my name wrote: »
    Too much of a disease and virus risk.
    If overflow communal tanks were to be a thing. Then it could only be tillage farmers that be allowed to draw from it.

    Not being funny but the slurry from my own farm could be nutritionally and bacterial better than anyone else's in tank. I wouldn't want my good stuff that I've spent years getting to this level be going to someone else and crap literally coming back onto the farm. And then the disease point as above and who knows what substances any other farmers were treating their stock with that would be too much of a risk to your own soil health plan.

    nothing that an AD plant wouldn't sort out!!

    I'm just trying to come up with solutions rather than have farmers spend a pure fortune again building tanks on every farmyard in the country

    Out of interest are you testing your slurry before you spread it to see if its as good as you think it is?


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    #8193
    Waffletraktor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    Say my name wrote: »
    Oh it is. :):D:p

    Does it stink?


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    #8194
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,062 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Waffletraktor wrote: »
    Does it stink?

    Ah go way!!


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    #8195
    Say my name
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    Panch18 wrote: »
    nothing that an AD plant wouldn't sort out!!

    I'm just trying to come up with solutions rather than have farmers spend a pure fortune again building tanks on every farmyard in the country

    Out of interest are you testing your slurry before you spread it to see if its as good as you think it is?

    No but I'm not treating the stock with wormers and the antibiotic use would be very low.
    And the soil amendments I've used would be coming back through the silage and slurry. Other farmers wouldn't be using those.


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    #8196
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Panch18 wrote: »
    So you want bright sunny days to cut your silage and then the very next day you want damp overcast conditions to spread your slurry after the silage - you don't ask for much

    Everybody knows that overcast damp conditions are best for slurry spreading - that's what makes spreading a good winters day the BEST option for nitrogen utilisation - but its banned

    All i am saying is that every farmer that is farming to any kind of intensive level has found themselves in the same position as Bufford - full tanks and ****e weather. I certainly have.

    Sensible rules is the way forward - there were perfect spreading conditions in Dec and Jan and we were sat on our hands looking out at it and now tanks full all over the country

    You'd be grand to spread for two weeks with a bands speader or trailing shoe, I'd usually be covering the pits the next day after silage anyway where the most important thing I'm asking for is calmness all round, so I wouldn't be panicking about getting at slurry in the blazing sun to cure my boredom.

    Not sure why you said all N is lost in summer spreading if "everybody knows" that it's not the case with a modicum of cop-on.
    Risk of run off and lack of utilisation due to low temperatures are the reason for the high winter losses to the water table and present rules, but like everybody else you probably know that as well despite what you write.


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    #8197
    Castlekeeper
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    Say my name wrote: »
    But have you heard anything of C.A.N being coated in seaweed coating in this country? Some nice efficiencies being quoted on trials. It looks a better safer alternative than the chemical treated urea that's being pushed by teagasc.

    Haven't heard of it but it would be an easy thing for the fert companies to do. I wouldn't be sure of the synergies of it though, N can take somr goodies like boron with it when leaching. It's carbon that really makes the difference with N so I would think coating with humates would be what to aim for, I'll bet they'll charge well for it.


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    #8198
    Say my name
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    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    Haven't heard of it but it would be an easy thing for the fert companies to do. I wouldn't be sure of the synergies of it though, N can take somr goodies like boron with it when leaching. It's carbon that really makes the difference with N so I would think coating with humates would be what to aim for, I'll bet they'll charge well for it.

    Supposedly you get the same growth with 20 -25% less can needed.
    It'd be a hell of an opener though for any farmer that hasn't used seaweed based products yet. It'll have to bring up the brix in grass or at least it won't be driving it down like normal npk. I don't know the price the product was just mentioned to me by two people. It's a step in the right direction anyway if you have to use fert.

    There would be a little carbon in the powder too being life and carbon based. :pac:
    Anyway we'll see.


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    #8199
    whelan2
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    Are knackeries on strike at the moment?


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    #8200
    wrangler
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    Keepgrowing feeding a few calves this morning


    https://www.facebook.com/ganaderiasinfronteras/videos/658366154980282/UzpfSTEwMDAwNDUxODU0NjUzODoxNTE1OTE5OTgxOTAxOTM5/


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    #8201
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    Are knackeries on strike at the moment?

    Yeah, could last a while too. The Dept has issued guidelines for storage of animals until the strike finishes.

    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/department-issues-animal-carcass-storage-advice-during-regrettable-strike/


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    #8202
    alps
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    Are knackeries on strike at the moment?

    Yep...

    And maybe they'll be in no hurry back..only downside for them will be having to deal with pretty bad smells at the end of it...

    Otherwise, every day they're out will cut their collection costs, as they'll have far better match up in collections when they'll have numerous days deaths to collect...like getting paid 2 or 3 for the cost of 1..


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    #8203
    JeffKenna
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    alps wrote: »
    Yep...

    And maybe they'll be in no hurry back..only downside for them will be having to deal with pretty bad smells at the end of it...

    Otherwise, every day they're out will cut their collection costs, as they'll have far better match up in collections when they'll have numerous days deaths to collect...like getting paid 2 or 3 for the cost of 1..

    How many animals die on your farm??


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    #8204
    Water John
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    If a farmer has 100+ cows calving, there will always be a few lost. Stop the nonsense.


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    #8205
    whelan2
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    There was another strike in September I think. Weather was warm enough. I had a calf born dead. I was told to cover it and wait until the strike was over. I have a calf at the moment with brain damage . Just wondering what the story was as I dont expect it to live


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    #8206
    Castlekeeper
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    Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »
    Yeah, could last a while too. The Dept has issued guidelines for storage of animals until the strike finishes.

    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/department-issues-animal-carcass-storage-advice-during-regrettable-strike/

    Just bury the bodies and throw the ears in a bag in the freezer...


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    #8207
    whelan2
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    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    Just bury the bodies and throw the ears in a bag in the freezer...

    Under no circumstances are you allowed bury it. I dont know if you're joking or not


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    #8208
    Mooooo
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    Rang my provider and he said when they do go back at it they'll be focusing on cow's first. He said they aren't open for drop offs either? Have a calf here awaiting collection


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    #8209
    Reggie.
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    wrangler wrote: »
    Keepgrowing feeding a few calves this morning


    https://www.facebook.com/ganaderiasinfronteras/videos/658366154980282/UzpfSTEwMDAwNDUxODU0NjUzODoxNTE1OTE5OTgxOTAxOTM5/

    He aint that big yet


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    #8210
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    whelan2 wrote: »
    There was another strike in September I think. Weather was warm enough. I had a calf born dead. I was told to cover it and wait until the strike was over. I have a calf at the moment with brain damage . Just wondering what the story was as I dont expect it to live

    That's the only consolation atm, at least it's still cool. I had an animal waiting through the last strike, it wasn't nice when the wind changed to blowing towards the house.

    The knackeries are talking about a doubling of collection prices if the Dept don't up their payments to the knackeries.


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    #8211
    K.G.
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    My tip for a dead calf is if you have a loader bucket tip it up over the carcase.keeps animals from getting at it


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    #8212
    straight
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    Water John wrote: »
    If a farmer has 100+ cows calving, there will always be a few lost. Stop the nonsense.

    Nope


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    #8213
    straight
    Registered Users Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭straight


    I had 2 sets of twins today. One set is 2 heifers sobthats fine. My question is the other set are Male and female so she's a marten. BUT the cow had 2 big seperate cleanings. An old man told me before if they were in 2 seperate bags that she would be suitable for breeding? Is it true?


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    #8214
    Grueller
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    straight wrote: »
    I had 2 sets of twins today. One set is 2 heifers sobthats fine. My question is the other set are Male and female so she's a marten. BUT the cow had 2 big seperate cleanings. An old man told me before if they were in 2 seperate bags that she would be suitable for breeding? Is it true?

    Happened here before. She is breeding away here still.


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    #8215
    tanko
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    I’ve a freemarten here in calf to her fourth calf. I can’t remember if it was two separate cleanings or not at birth. It does happen but it’s very rare.


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    #8216
    whelan2
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    You'd know by lifting their tail sometimes. Vet was showing me here one time. Put another heifer calf beside her and compare


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    #8217
    visatorro
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    Left gate of shed open with no silage in front of cows. I wonder what mess I'll see in the morning!


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    #8218
    Castlekeeper
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    Under no circumstances are you allowed bury it. I dont know if you're joking or not

    Fair enough, it could be a tough stew alright if the bags got mixed up,
    But I can bury my St Bernard when he conks it, right?


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    #8219
    wrangler
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    Castlekeeper wrote: »
    Fair enough, it could be a tough stew alright if the bags got mixed up,
    But I can bury my St Bernard when he conks it, right?

    only thing you can legally bury now is humans


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    #8220
    Tonynewholland
    Registered Users Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    straight wrote: »
    I had 2 sets of twins today. One set is 2 heifers sobthats fine. My question is the other set are Male and female so she's a marten. BUT the cow had 2 big seperate cleanings. An old man told me before if they were in 2 seperate bags that she would be suitable for breeding? Is it true?
    I asked a few vets over the years and they all say only 2 or 3% chance they will breed


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    #8221
    Timmaay
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    wrangler wrote: »
    only thing you can legally bury now is humans

    Reminds me of the time I was in the vets, and people in front of me had like brought in a sick stray cat that had been terrorising the neighbours to be put down! They were not impressed with the cost of putting him down (something like 60/80e?), and really really weren't impressed with the fact that to have it cremated would cost like another 180e or something! I half felt like interrupting and saying I'd find a hole on the farm n bury him for 20e, but I decided against it lol.


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