Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

everlast75

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Corrupt, most us politicians both sides of the aisle are corrupt

Oh I don't know Eric.

Putting aside the whataboutery, we have Trump's first congressional supporter charged, his second congressional supporter charged, his National Security Advisor pleading guilty, his foreign policy advisor found guilty, his campaign chair found guilty, his campaign chair assistant pleading guilty, his personal layer pleading guilty.

Penn

Nody wrote: »

In his court filings in his plea deal where he and I quote:
And since as already shown in court he only had 3 clients (all named) and only one of them being a "candidate for federal office" it is a tad hard to get said candidate to be someone else.

In the actual court documents, that particular person is only referred to as Individual-1. But it's noted that "Individual-1" went on to become President of the United States of America.

Hmm... who could it be...

Thepoet85

Eric Cartman wrote:

In her big bag of things that don't exist

Nope, I saw it last night on Hardball on MSNBC.

B0jangles

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Better than letting it get worse under a democrat, best of a bad bunch really.

Think about this for a little tiny minute - you blame the democrats for the investigations, the investigations that are actually getting results, getting convictions - to you, they are the Bad Guys.


You accept that the Republicans are so hopelessly corrupt that they won't even try to start an full criminal investigation into the Clintons. They are the Good Guys?


Is your dream of government total corruption and incompetence or what?

Leroy42

Whatever about the direct links to Russia, surely all Americans should have serious concerns about the POTUS trying to get involved in a criminal case for one of his colleagues, calling him a good man, a man that has just been convicted on 8 serious charges.

This really calls into question the judgment of Trump. Why even after he was convicted was he out calling him a good man. Is POTUS calling for all people to defraud the US? What sort or leader do you have that tries to interfere with due process?

Forget Russia for a second Eric, this is a major stain on Trump. He has stood by Manafort the whole way. He called into question the FBI raid, he called into question the motives for the trial, he tried to influence the jury by his statements and tweets. And all this for a convicted criminal. And yet stil he won't call Manafort out for what he did.

Drain the Swamp, unless it is someone he knows?

Chips Lovell

I've carded four people for breaching the charter. Several more posts have been deleted for quoting deleted posts etc.

Again, please read the charter. Image dumps, one liners, and personal abuse don't belong here. If you're not interested in debating, don't post.

Eric Cartman

B0jangles wrote: »

Think about this for a little tiny minute - you blame the democrats for the investigations, the investigations that are actually getting results, getting convictions - to you, they are the Bad Guys.


You accept that the Republicans are so hopelessly corrupt that they won't even try to start an full criminal investigation into the Clintons. They are the Good Guys?


Is your dream of government total corruption and incompetence or what?

What im saying is that you have rotton piles of trash on both sides of an aisle, everyones standing facing one pile and saying how awful it is while the other one is still there not currently being looked at.

I believe trump is inherintly good for america and the market and his policies reflect that . I still think the alternative on the 2016 ballot was much worse

Professor Moriarty

Eric Cartman wrote: »

What im saying is that you have rotton piles of trash on both sides of an aisle, everyones standing facing one pile and saying how awful it is while the other one is still there not currently being looked at.

I believe trump is inherintly good for america and the market and his policies reflect that . I still think the alternative on the 2016 ballot was much worse

Why is he inherently good for America? Which policies reflect this?

Hurrache

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I believe trump is inherintly good for america and the market and his policies reflect that .

Which policies, and how are they doing the country good?

Eric Cartman

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Why is he inherently good for America? Which policies reflect this?

The ban on people from terror prone states , the tariffs on chinese steel, his tax cuts, the lobbying ban for former senators , the ambitious border wall is starting construction, more resources given to ICE to remove illegal immigrants,

The results of his policies have been a strong economy, record low black unemployment, increased consumer spending and more money in the pockets of average americans.

everlast75

The irony of your signature Eric, complaining about Welfare Cheats "cheating us all" when you don't have a problem with Trump defending someone who was properly convicted of multiple charges of being a Tax Cheat.

Leroy42

Eric Cartman wrote: »

What im saying is that you have rotton piles of trash on both sides of an aisle, everyones standing facing one pile and saying how awful it is while the other one is still there not currently being looked at.

I believe trump is inherintly good for america and the market and his policies reflect that . I still think the alternative on the 2016 ballot was much worse

You think it is inherently good for Trump to try to influence an ongoing trial?

You think it is inherently good for Trump to stand up for a convicted criminal? Don't you worry that this might mean that Trump finds nothing wrong with tax fraud? Doesn't that make you question why he won't release his tax returns?

That he hired a lawyer for so many years that Trump now claims is a total liar. That he used AF1 and the WH press corp to draft a lie to help out his son?

None of that bothers you? With all that I really struggle to see what exactly you think HC or the DNC would do that would go against your values, as you seem happy to accept pretty much anything.

Eric Cartman

everlast75 wrote: »

The irony of your signature Eric, complaining about Welfare Cheats "cheating us all" when you don't have a problem with Trump defending someone who was properly convicted of multiple charges of being a Tax Cheat.

Welfare cheating is way worse than tax evasion , tax evasion doesnt put money in the purse, welfare cheating illegally pulls money out .

spacecoyote

This tweet from Trump from 2014 is getting dragged up in the last few hours for the obvious implications of it:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/420286728679596032

Funny how he distances himself from all these "right people" that he was a magnet for, as soon as its to his advantage to do so

batgoat

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Welfare cheating is way worse than tax evasion , tax evasion doesnt put money in the purse, welfare cheating illegally pulls money out .

Tax evasion in these instances kept millions of dollars out of the economy. That's taking away from the state, you realise this right? Methinks you're getting protective of white collar crime now.

Lux23

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Welfare cheating is way worse than tax evasion , tax evasion doesnt put money in the purse, welfare cheating illegally pulls money out .

Surely its worse if the money is never in the public purse in the first place? And you do know that tax evasion is illegal?

Eric Cartman

batgoat wrote: »

Tax evasion in these instances kept millions of dollars out of the economy. That's taking away from the state, you realise this right? Methinks you're getting protective of white collar crime now.

I absolutely am, some laws are unjust, tax laws are at the height of that. When there is so much wreckless government spending going on I very much see th drive to evade taxation.

everlast75

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I absolutely am, some laws are unjust, tax laws are at the height of that. When there is so much wreckless government spending going on I very much see th drive to evade taxation.

Same argument could be made for welfare fraud.

Eric Cartman

everlast75 wrote: »

Same argument could be made for welfare fraud.

It really cant though

Taxation is theft, welfare fraud is theft.
The biggest cause of taxes being unfairly high is welfare funnily enough

Hurrache

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The ban on people from terror prone states , the tariffs on chinese steel, his tax cuts, the lobbying ban for former senators , the ambitious border wall is starting construction, more resources given to ICE to remove illegal immigrants,

The results of his policies have been a strong economy, record low black unemployment, increased consumer spending and more money in the pockets of average americans.

How's the ban going? And what wall has started construction?

Re tax and tariffs, seems like you don't quite understand how they work either. This may be of some use to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etkd57lPfPU

Bobeagleburger

Hazys wrote: »

Drain the swamp! and Lock her up! chants breaking out at the Trump rally...Jesus f Christ, there is stupidity and then they are Trump rallies.

The IQ level is pretty low there I'd say!

Leroy42

Eric Cartman wrote: »

It really cant though

Taxation is theft, welfare fraud is theft.
The biggest cause of taxes being unfairly high is welfare funnily enough

How much welfare fraud is there in the US at the present time?

And doesn't your position fly in the face of Trumps call for US corporations to bring their profits home. Why should they pay tax in the US if there is such wastage paying for welfare?

dr.fuzzenstein

Gbear wrote: »

What is the precedent for having committed a felony and getting away without impeachment as a president, and what is the precedent for the impeachment failing to remove him in the other cases?

Of course, there's Clinton, but even that was a bit of a technical crime to do with an ultimately trivial set of events. He probably still should've gone, but have we ever seen anything like Trump's case? Have we seen such pessimism for the likelihood of the partisan houses of government actually doing their jobs before, or is this Republican party particularly useless and negligent?

There does seem to be an attitude of "power at all costs" in the GOP.
Power comes first, then the party, then the country.

Akrasia

Eric Cartman wrote: »

What im saying is that you have rotton piles of trash on both sides of an aisle, everyones standing facing one pile and saying how awful it is while the other one is still there not currently being looked at.

I believe trump is inherintly good for america and the market and his policies reflect that . I still think the alternative on the 2016 ballot was much worse

Trumps economic policies are suicidal.

He's gutting the regulations implemented after the 2008 crash while allowing banks and corporations to artificially inflate their share prices through share buyback schemes while shredding the US tax base and ramping up the Debt all at the same time as starting a trade war with Americas most valuable trading partners.

When you pour a trillion borrowed dollars of debt into an economy the stock market will increase and the economy will grow temporarily, but that money is not being spent on infrastructure or education or investment, its being swallowed up by oligarchs who are more likely to hoard it in offshore banks than they are to invest it in economically productive activity

Trent Houseboat

dr.fuzzenstein wrote:

There does seem to be an attitude of "power at all costs" in the GOP.
Power comes first, then the party, then the donors, then the country.

Fixed that for you.

Penn

Akrasia wrote: »

Trumps economic policies are suicidal.

He's gutting the regulations implemented after the 2008 crash while allowing banks and corporations to artificially inflate their share prices through share buyback schemes while shredding the US tax base and ramping up the Debt all at the same time as starting a trade war with Americas most valuable trading partners.

When you pour a trillion borrowed dollars of debt into an economy the stock market will increase and the economy will grow temporarily, but that money is not being spent on infrastructure or education or investment, its being swallowed up by oligarchs who are more likely to hoard it in offshore banks than they are to invest it in economically productive activity

Meanwhile real Americans are getting bumps in their paychecks, like the school secretary Paul Ryan met who now gets an extra €1.50 a week.

Professor Moriarty

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The ban on people from terror prone states ,

Rubbish. Saudi Arabia?

the tariffs on chinese steel,

In no way, shape or form is starting a trade war with China a good thing.

his tax cuts,

His tax cuts benefited corporate America disproportionally. If you cut taxes then you cut public spending which affects the poor disproportionally.

the lobbying ban for former senators ,

On a day when Manafort and Cohen were exposed? Seriously?

the ambitious border wall is starting construction,

Rubbish. Just rubbish.

more resources given to ICE to remove illegal immigrants,

A licence to traumatise families and children. Good man Trump.

The results of his policies have been a strong economy, record low black unemployment,

You don't turn around an economy in a year. It takes many years of careful governance. Eight years of careful governance would be about right.

increased consumer spending and more money in the pockets of average americans.

'Average American'? Debateable to say the least. Even if what you say were true, they would be better off until they need government support which will be decimated because of corporate tax cuts. Never mind the fact that their children will have a massive deficit. But The Donald doesn't give a crap about them.

Leroy42

At every stage of this whole process, the truth, when it eventually does come out, is nearly always way closer to what was aleged than to what Trump claims.

Trump Tower meeting, Cohen, payments to Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal, stories about Scott Pruitt, fact of Sessions lying to congress, Flynn lying to the FBI.

At everyturn Trump has claimed it all fake news and a witch hunt, and in nearly every case he has been proved to be wrong.

At what point do his supporters start to question his credibility?

And another point. You can be certain that had Manafort been cleared Trump and his supporters would have used that as a sign that it was a witch-hunt. The fact that Mueller is having such success, regardless of all the tweets and outrage by Trump, is the most worrying. The claims of witch-hunt were never credible, but they are double so now since Mueller has a string of confessions and now a conviction.

Those around Trump are being picked off one by one. It is pretty much a given that Trump Jr will be dragged in at some stage, Kushner too in all probability. At the reason that the Feds etc go about taking down big crime organisations in a similar way, is that by taking down those around the boss, the boss is shown to have little loyalty to those people and little power to protect them from the law. This increases the pressure on the others as they start to consider how to jump ship.

everlast75

Every single thing he accuses others of doing, every thing, he is doing himself.

From saying that
1) Hillary rigged the election - he did
2) Hillary colluded with the Russians - he did
3) That he would drain the swamp - he made it worse than ever
and many more.

Even down to accusing someone of stealing his slogan, when he stole it himself.

He is a parody of himself at this stage. A real embarrassment of a man. I just sincerely hope all of his surrogates, KAK, SHS, Paris Denard and fiercest supporters amongst the Reps like Jordan and Nunes, go down in flames with him. History should not be kind.

Dohnjoe

Leroy42 wrote: »

At every stage of this whole process, the truth, when it eventually does come out, is nearly always way closer to what was aleged than to what Trump claims.

Trump Tower meeting, Cohen, payments to Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal, stories about Scott Pruitt, fact of Sessions lying to congress, Flynn lying to the FBI.

At everyturn Trump has claimed it all fake news and a witch hunt, and in nearly every case he has been proved to be wrong.

At what point do his supporters start to question his credibility?

They don't, it's always an answer of "who cares"

To them if the President of the US pays hush-money to bury affairs it's an outrage but alright if it's their man. If there is corruption, it's an outrage unless it's their man

His supporters simply don't care, there are a boat-load of them and the Republican party is too spineless to stand against them