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Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

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    #1712
    Stallingrad
    Registered Users Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    relax carry on wrote: »
    Has someone taken Trumps phone away from him? No tweet in 11 hours.

    He's brainstorming with Hannity, so far they haven't found one between them.


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    #1713
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,799 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    relax carry on wrote: »
    Has someone taken Trumps phone away from him? No tweet in 11 hours.

    His phone has turned itself in and admitted to charges of collusion, its looking for a deal.


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    #1714
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    The funny thing is the events of the last 24 hours is just another scandal that will eventually slide off Trump and he will move on to the next one

    His supporters certainly wont abandon him over this and neither will his party

    He will only go at the next election


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    #1715
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    relax carry on wrote: »
    Has someone taken Trumps phone away from him? No tweet in 11 hours.

    If I was him I wouldn’t be fcuking tweeting either! Maybe he’s finally starting to see sense in that regard. For a billionaire businessman he sure has piss poor legal representation.


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    #1716
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,170 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Stallingrad wrote: »
    He will flick straight to Fox news and his 'happy place' where a story leads of a brown man killing a white girl.

    Until someone tells him the alleged murderer worked for a GOP official.


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    #1717
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,532 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    kilns wrote: »
    The funny thing is the events of the last 24 hours is just another scandal that will eventually slide off Trump and he will move on to the next one

    His supporters certainly wont abandon him over this and neither will his party

    He will only go at the next election

    I wouldn't even bet too much on that!


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    #1718
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Until someone tells him the alleged murderer worked for a GOP official.

    Who claims that the murderer passed immigration checks. Nevermind, it will only make Trump go after the legal as well as illegal immigrants (already happening anyway).


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    #1719
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,361 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Cohen's lawyer has said Cohen has authorised him to say on his behalf that he won't accept a pardon from Trump if Trump tries to issue one.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/michael-cohen-donald-trump-pardon-trial-guilty-russia-investigation-a8502451.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1534934741

    As for Trump's likely incoming tweets, I presume they'll be the same as what he said after arriving in Virginia yesterday; that none of Manafort's charges relate in any way to collusion with Russia or the Trump campaign. Unless he truly is a monumental idiot, he'll not mention anything related to Cohen.


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    #1720
    Stallingrad
    Registered Users Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    Penn wrote: »
    Unless he truly is a monumental idiot, he'll not mention anything related to Cohen.

    Unless?


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    #1721
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    relax carry on wrote: »
    Has someone taken Trumps phone away from him? No tweet in 11 hours.

    The fact there hasn't been a tweet in 11 hours is the interesting part


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    #1722
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,532 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    He's awake and tweeting.

    Starts off with a small joke. Good idea, warms up the crowd!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032247043992023040


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    #1723
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    He's awake and tweeting.

    Starts off with a small joke. Good idea, warms up the crowd!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032247043992023040

    If anyone is looking for a good client, perhaps get one that won't throw you under the bus...


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    #1724
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,361 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Penn wrote: »
    Unless he truly is a monumental idiot, he'll not mention anything related to Cohen.
    Leroy42 wrote: »
    He's awake and tweeting.

    Starts off with a small joke. Good idea, warms up the crowd!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032247043992023040

    Thanks, Donald. I was trying not to kick you when you were down.

    It's about as good a tweet about the whole thing that anyone could have expected from him (though the fact he mentioned him at all is, again, monumentally idiotic), but I've a feeling the best is yet to come.


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    #1725
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    It was a fairly funny tweet in fairness to him


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    #1726
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Penn wrote: »
    Cohen's lawyer has said Cohen has authorised him to say on his behalf that he won't accept a pardon from Trump if Trump tries to issue one.
    Is he actually allowed to refuse a pardon ? (some are suggesting it may have been part and parcel of his deal.....)


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    #1727
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    and so it begins, he is defending Manafort as expected


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    #1728
    Patser
    Registered Users Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭Patser


    EltonJohn69 wrote: »
    It was a fairly funny tweet in fairness to him

    Yep, but his next one is all praise for Manafort for not breaking. Jaysus that's like something the Mafia would say. Well done on your loyalty not spilling the beans to the law! But this is from the President!! Well done on not cooperating with law enforcement! Jaysus.


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    #1729
    jooksavage
    Registered Users Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭jooksavage


    kilns wrote: »
    and so it begins, he is defending Manafort as expected


    He's definitely going to try to pardon Manafort, no two ways about it.


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    #1730
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,204 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    So in effect he's dissing on the jury in the Manafort trial. The Court and the Law are keystones of democracy.
    He is also praising Manafort for not cooperating with the Prosecution Service of the State!!!


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    #1731
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Can you imagine the uproar by Fox and the Republicans if Obama defended a man convicted by a group of his peers


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    #1732
    Royal Irish
    Registered Users Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Royal Irish


    kilns wrote: »
    and so it begins, he is defending Manafort as expected

    Reminds me of this scene from Goodfellas. Manafort is taking his pinch like a man.



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    #1733
    badtoro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭badtoro


    Penn wrote: »
    Cohen's lawyer has said Cohen has authorised him to say on his behalf that he won't accept a pardon from Trump

    What's the angle there? Are there state charges or other leverage which can be used against him?


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    #1734
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,361 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    amandstu wrote: »
    Is he actually allowed to refuse a pardon ? (some are suggesting it may have been part and parcel of his deal.....)

    You can refuse a presidential pardon, as doing so means you're admitting you're guilty. So even if Trump offered Cohen a pardon to admit guilt but allow him to not serve jail time (likely so Cohen would refuse to say anything more to implicate Trump), Cohen could refuse it.

    But a pardon isn't part of Cohen's deal. It's simply a plea deal to reduce his sentence in exchange for giving information for someone guilty of higher crimes.

    But I read on Twitter earlier that you can't plead the 5th Amendment if you've accepted a pardon (and therefore accepted a guilty charge) if it's related to the case you were pardoned for. So if Cohen did accept the pardon, he could be compelled to testify against Trump anyway, or would risk being charged with obstruction of justice, contempt of court etc. So accepting a pardon simply wouldn't be in his best interests, and it's unlikely Trump's legal team would let him offer one. Cohen's best play for himself is just to co-operate fully, do a few years in a cushy jail, and likely write a book when he gets out and make a few million.

    Manafort on the other hand, we haven't seen what, if anything, they have linking Manafort to Trump/Russia. So while he could potentially accept a pardon for what he's been charged with, a) they likely have him on state crimes too, which Trump wouldn't be able to pardon him from, and b) if Mueller can properly link Manafort-Russia-Trump, Trump could be boxed in enough that Manafort might see the writing on the wall and just make a deal for himself.


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    #1735
    circadian
    Registered Users Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭circadian


    badtoro wrote: »
    What's the angle there? Are there state charges or other leverage which can be used against him?

    Cohen's wife is also his bookkeeper, I'd imagine that's been dangled in front of him. Mueller employed this tactic very successfully in the Enron scandal.


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    #1736
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Looks like it could be;

    Comply with the Mueller investigation: get a lighter sentence
    Comply with Trump: get a full pardon


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    #1737
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Two more tweets and they're incredible. Cohen plead guilty to a crime that's not a crime. Penn, he's definitely a buffoon.... :P

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032259660378779648

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032260490439864320


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    #1738
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    He just called Manaforts trial a witch hunt
    When  a President disregards the decision of a jury what is left....


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    #1739
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Trump was rewatching Hannity from last night as they kept maintaining that it was the Clintons who are behind it all and their lawyer is representing Cohen and making him plead guilty


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    #1740
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,361 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    batgoat wrote: »
    Penn, he's definitely a buffoon.... :P

    I imagine there's a bunch of lawyers and staffers banging on a toilet door in the White House shouting "Mr. President! We talked about this! This is the opposite of what we told you to do!"


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    #1741
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭amandstu


    kilns wrote: »
    He just called Manaforts trial a witch hunt
    When  a President disregards the decision of a jury what is left....

    Suppose he will claim he was referring Mueller investigation (tweeting under mental duress?)


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