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So Michael D IS running again!

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    #3842
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,625 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Very dramatic close up on pat and point to the camera all to go to a break.


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    #3843
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    are you saying traveller children are genetically incapable of learning at the same rate as a normal settled child ? or is it because of practices in the travellers own community that aren't conducive to educating a child ?

    ... or just possibly, the aggregate effect of the "settled" community treating them like complete crap?


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    #3844
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    are you saying traveller children are genetically incapable of learning at the same rate as a normal settled child ? or is it because of practices in the travellers own community that aren't conducive to educating a child ?

    Key reasons cited below. Previous generations have very poor levels of literacy, the way to change that is to offer more supports to accommodate for that. There's no way you can change that historical aspect besides such supports. By providing such supports, the trust relationship with the parents increases. When people like you reduce them to criminals from birth, you contribute to that distrust btw.
    She said among the barriers to progression are the fact that around 70% of Traveller children live in families where the mother has no formal education, or has primary level education only, almost half have difficulty reading instructions for medications, there is a distrust of the routes society provides for progression to third level, and Traveller history and culture is virtually ignored, not valued or supported in the school curriculum.

    Also worth noting the article shows every indication that providing supports works. The benefit is generational. Meanwhile, you likely think it's outrageous to offer such supports. It isn't.


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    #3845
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,625 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Higgins is rattled, Caseys traveller comments are the biggest applause of the night.

    Well casey will need more than one comment on travellers to win the election. I seriously doubt that enough people will vote for him based on that.


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    #3846
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well casey will need more than one comment on travellers to win the election. I seriously doubt that enough people will vote for him based on that.

    I don't think he'll win by any means but it shows how easy it is to rattle the others if you have an actual good idea.


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    #3847
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Sycamore Tree wrote: »
    There it is again, the SF lady says her speech in both English and Irish. I did not understand the Irish bits. Why does she bother? What is the point?
    Pick 1 language and make your speech in that 1 language. 100% of people watching will understand it in English.

    The Irish inserts were just fake and pretentious and make her look like a typical SF fanatic.

    It's also pipe for what she'll presumably slip in later, about Ballyvourney being the Most Oppressed Parish Ever.


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    #3848
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Freeman - sooo whiny on the funding

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #3849
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,099 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    I don't think he'll win by any means but it shows how easy it is to rattle the others if you have an actual good idea.

    It's over after 10 mins Eric.


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    #3850
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,354 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    MDH seems a bit all over the place. In fairness they are all gunning for him


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    #3851
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,625 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    tonycascarino wrote: »
    Gallagher and Duffy are some pain in the holes & Freeman is far too straight laced for my liking. Higgins, Ní Riada & Casey are the most likeable.

    I dislike casey even before his comments on travellers which were ill advised. I've been impressed by how Ni Riada has handled herself.


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    #3852
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    alaimacerc wrote: »
    ... or just possibly, the aggregate effect of the "settled" community treating them like complete crap?

    ahh yeah, blame settled people, people being suspicious of their da stealing is why a traveller child isn't showing up to school every single day for 12 years.
    batgoat wrote: »
    Key reasons cited below. Previous generations have very poor levels of literacy, the way to change that is to offer more supports to accommodate for that. There's no way you can change that historical aspect besides such supports. By providing such supports, the trust relationship with the parents increases. When people like you reduce them to criminals from birth, you contribute to that distrust btw.



    Also worth noting the article shows every indication that providing supports works. The benefit is generational. Meanwhile, you likely think it's outrageous to offer such supports. It isn't.

    so basically its the traveller families own fault that the environment isn't there. Travellers cannot effectively raise and educate children to modern standards , so then perhaps tusla should get involved.


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    #3853
    touts
    Registered Users Posts: 6,439 ✭✭✭touts


    Higgins keeps referring people to his literature. Could it be that he doesn't actually know, or remember, what his policies are.


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    #3854
    Brian201888
    Registered Users Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭Brian201888


    Assuming Casey doesn't withdraw he'll end up with a far higher vote than will be predicted. He's a pillock but I'll be amazed if he comes up with the vote that the polls are predicting.


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    #3855
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Apart from anything else, has Casey said he'd move back to Ireland if he won? Doesn't he live in the US, and if so, it smells awfully like him being a possible Tax Exile. Which to me might make him a bit of a white collar crook and unfit to run. Nevermind the pie in the sky over this Irish diaspora social media. But one harsh comment over travellers and suddenly he's a darling in the eyes of some?


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    #3856
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,625 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Haha pat is loving bringing up the 2011 election.


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    #3857
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,099 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    touts wrote: »
    Higgins keeps referring people to his literature. Could it be that he doesn't actually know, or remember, what his policies are.

    'keeps' he did it once. :rolleyes:


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    #3858
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users Posts: 11,489 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Freeman whinging again about political parties. Isn't she a Taoiseachs nominee to the Seanad?


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    #3859
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,071 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Audience seem to applaud anything said with sufficient emphasis. IMO clapping should be banned at these events, it just encourages platitudes and grandstanding.


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    #3860
    Jameswhalley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭Jameswhalley


    MD is poor here

    Loved pks quip about US 8yrs


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    #3861
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    touts wrote: »
    Higgins keeps referring people to his literature. Could it be that he doesn't actually know, or remember, what his policies are.

    No because he was repeatedly not allowed to finish his answer to a question

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #3862
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,625 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Audience seem to applaud anything said with sufficient emphasis. IMO clapping should be banned at these events, it just encourages platitudes and grandstanding.

    As we saw during the campaign on the repeal of the 8th Amendment clapping can come across as very inappropriate.


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    #3863
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    A good all dig at the IRA links, brilliant.


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    #3864
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users Posts: 11,489 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Pat isn't going to let Ni Riada skate around this question...


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    #3865
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Ni Riada - 'the big boys made me do it sir' defence

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #3866
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,625 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Are they gone though ?


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    #3867
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    Pat isn't going to let Ni Riada skate around this question...

    and he tried to get her to ID Gerry as a member, balsy move, sadly she evaded it.


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    #3868
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Pat is doing more debating than any of the candidates


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    #3869
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,099 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Pat knocked back there. Didn't think I'd ever see that. :)


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    #3870
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    Honestly, there's something a bit inspiring about watching someone that old fighting for such a position, still trying to cling onto power.


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    #3871
    Squatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Squatter


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Apart from anything else, has Casey said he'd move back to Ireland if he won? Doesn't he live in the US, and if so, it smells awfully like him being a possible Tax Exile. Which to me might make him a bit of a white collar crook and unfit to run. Nevermind the pie in the sky over this Irish diaspora social media. But one harsh comment over travellers and suddenly he's a darling in the eyes of some?

    On the topic of white collar crime, probably worth reminding younger readers that Saint Mickey Dee the socialist had no problem with voting for the corrupt Reynolds/Ahern tax amnesty back in 1993; and Albert threw him TG4 as a thank-you.


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