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    #152
    Signore Fancy Pants
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    #153
    Wanderer78
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    wont change much , if anything at all


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    #154
    suicide_circus
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    #155
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,886 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    badtoro wrote:
    Nope, not all of us.

    Every one did.
    It might be huge grants while in third level. It might just be very low tax.

    The only ones not parting were in prison


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    #156
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,809 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Every one did.
    It might be huge grants while in third level. It might just be very low tax.

    The only ones not parting were in prison

    i didnt necessarily party, thankfully, i realised it was all a bit of a scam, particularly the housing market


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    #157
    suicide_circus
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    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Every one did.
    It might be huge grants while in third level. It might just be very low tax.

    The only ones not parting were in prison
    Wrong. Some people continued the frugal and prudent lifestyle they always lead. Lower tax rates are hardly a "party".


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    #158
    James 007
    Registered Users Posts: 962 ✭✭✭James 007


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    garlic man had his sentence reduced to 2 years on appeal. And garlic man got temporary release in 2013 to serve the rest of his sentence from home.
    Never liked garlic man anyway, the smell off his breath was unreal when he boasted of all the money we made.


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    #159
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,886 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Wanderer78 wrote:
    i didnt necessarily party, thankfully, i realised it was all a bit of a scam, particularly the housing market


    You claim that now yet you lived the system we all did at the time.

    Do you think it normal to be paid 25 percent not interest but in bonus money if you save X amount? With a special saving account? We paid our oaps the highest rate in europe. Our unemploymed got the highest rate in the EU. Children allounce again the highest rate in the EU.
    We all partied either from ridiculously low tax (we still hadn't paid off the 1970's debt) to ridiculously high wages and social benefits. I doubt there a man, woman or child alive who didn't party knowingly or not


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    #160
    Sleeper12
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    suicide_circus wrote:
    Wrong. Some people continued the frugal and prudent lifestyle they always lead. Lower tax rates are hardly a "party".


    No. How innocent can you be. We all partied from tax breaks and social welfare that we couldn't afford. We are actually still doing it today


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    #161
    suicide_circus
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    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    No. How innocent can you be. We all partied from tax breaks and social welfare that we couldn't afford. We are actually still doing it today

    If you can't make out the nuances and subtleties between those who actively lived the life flaithulach and those who occupied the same airspace but remained frugal then i wont burden your mind any further with this difficult concept.


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    #162
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,809 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    You claim that now yet you lived the system we all did at the time.

    Do you think it normal to be paid 25 percent not interest but in bonus money if you save X amount? With a special saving account? We paid our oaps the highest rate in europe. Our unemploymed got the highest rate in the EU. Children allounce again the highest rate in the EU.
    We all partied either from ridiculously low tax (we still hadn't paid off the 1970's debt) to ridiculously high wages and social benefits. I doubt there a man, woman or child alive who didn't party knowingly or not

    fair point, but by pure chance really, i realised this housing stuff was a scam, and disturbingling we ve changed little or nothing that actually caused the crash in the first place, so role on 'the great moderation part deux', to be followed by the next crash, and then see if we can figure all this stuff out. oh and dont mind that nonsense of 'living beyond our means', and national debt isnt really our 'debt burden', its actually private debt, which in fact is created by banks, which in fact still create the majority of our money


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    #163
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,886 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    suicide_circus wrote:
    If you can't make out the nuances and subtleties between those who actively lived the life flaithulach and those who occupied the same airspace but remained frugal then i wont burden your mind any further with this difficult concept.


    Ah bless.

    We all lived the life. No one refused the ridiculous social welfare, low income tax of the 25 percent free money from the special savings account.

    To suggest that anyone benefits from the ridiculous budgets we had yet did not party is self delusional. If you lived in Ireland between 1997 and 2007 then you were part of the party. I don't understand how someone can benefit from it yet not to party to it?


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    #164
    badtoro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭badtoro


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Every one did.
    It might be huge grants while in third level. It might just be very low tax.

    The only ones not parting were in prison

    I'll leave you with your delusion.


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    #165
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,886 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Wanderer78 wrote:
    fair point, but by pure chance really, i realised this housing stuff was a scam, and disturbingling we ve changed little or nothing that actually caused the crash in the first place, so role on 'the great moderation part deux', to be followed by the next crash, and then see if we can figure all this stuff out. oh and dont mind that nonsense of 'living beyond our means', and national debt isnt really our 'debt burden', its actually private debt, which in fact is created by banks, which in fact still create the majority of our money


    My adult children in their 20s, their children and possibly their grandchildren might disagree with you as they pay for our "parting" in the decades to come.


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    #166
    Sleeper12
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    badtoro wrote:
    I'll leave you with your delusion.

    If you want but I'm still paying for your parting


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    #167
    Signore Fancy Pants
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    #168
    Electric Sheep
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    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    If you want but I'm still paying for your parting

    Some people partied and spent everything they got, and all they could get in credit as well. Other more wise people took a leaf out of the story of Joseph and the Pharaoh in the bible and used the good times to put aside money for the inevitable bad times that follow.


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    #169
    Wanderer78
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    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    My adult children in their 20s, their children and possibly their grandchildren might disagree with you as they pay for our "parting" in the decades to come.

    this is to some degree true, but a very wrong way of looking at it, we ve all been told, we have been living beyond our means, this is largely bull****. we have been sold a pup, in the form of what we commonly call 'the market'. we have been told its best to privatise anything that walks, and this 'the market' will provide all of our social needs, more bull****! we have allowed a network of financial institutions, i.e. banks, the right to print money at will, and in turn, effectively sell this to us in the form of debt. this has not been rectified, the creation of money should in fact be a public utility, operated under democratic control and not by our current plutocratic way. you will actually find the only ones truly partying with all this are the minorities that have control of these complex systems and processes.


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    #170
    Dyr
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    i didn't necessarily party, thankfully, i realised it was all a bit of a scam, particularly the housing market


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    #171
    bucketybuck
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    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    No. How innocent can you be.
    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Ah bless.

    Whats next, "oh my sweet summer child" as you stroke your manbeard? :rolleyes:


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    #172
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,800 ✭✭✭take everything


    Drumm was a scapegoat.
    Many others should be in jail.


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    #173
    Wanderer78
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    take everything wrote: »
    Drumm was a scapegoat.
    Many others should be in jail.

    thousands like him around the world should have been jailed, this has changed nothing


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    #174
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Ireland largely got what it deserved when the crash happened. This is a country that thought Eddie Hobbs was a financial expert.


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    #175
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,809 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Ireland largely got what it deserved when the crash happened. This is a country that thought Eddie Hobbs was a financial expert.

    no we didnt, what a dreadful globalised scam


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    #176
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    There were two crashes in Ireland - one we were not part of but greatly effected by and the one created by idiotic pro cyclical GUBU economics that we embraced.


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    #177
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,809 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    There were two crashes in Ireland - one we were not part of but greatly effected by and the one created by idiotic pro cyclical GUBU economics that we embraced.

    one of the same thing, shur look at the state of other European banks, its an absolute clusterfcuk


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    #178
    AllForIt
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    Ok, I don't know all ins and outs of this case but I just want to comment on the judges summing up comments.

    "Time spent in a US prison - should stand to his credit"

    "Oh - he has suffered socially because of this"

    The sympathetic tone here to me is just unbelievable. Especially the second comment I quoted - that applies to anyone who has been convicted who hitherto had an unblemished record and now outed as a criminal. Perhaps some have but this point was so prominent in news reports today. Clearly if one is upper/middle class the judge will take into account their social standing more so than if one were a working class criminal. It's just disgusting really.


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    #179
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    So now that it's all over. When is the USC getting removed from my payslip?


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    #180
    dresden8
    Registered Users Posts: 3,289 ✭✭✭dresden8


    TallGlass wrote: »
    So now that it's all over. When is the USC getting removed from my payslip?

    Errr....... you do know income tax was introduced for that little scuffle with Napoleon?

    The East Link toll would be removed when the bridge was paid for?

    Taxes never go away.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/paschal-donohoe-usc-will-not-be-abolished-454190.html
    Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe has confirmed he is no longer seeking to abolish the Universal Social Charge (USC), as Fine Gael had vowed to do in the 2016 general election.

    Mr Donohoe has said it is his intention to merge the USC with PRSI, as promised by Taoiseach Leo Varadkar.

    Mr Donohoe said: “We have a new Minister for Finance and a new Taoiseach. We are entitled to make our assessments of the landing points for important policy areas such as this.”

    Pascal says you can fnck right off if you think you can hold him to his promises.


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    #181
    ohnonotgmail
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    Ok, I don't know all ins and outs of this case but I just want to comment on the judges summing up comments.

    "Time spent in a US prison - should stand to his credit"

    "Oh - he has suffered socially because of this"

    The sympathetic tone here to me is just unbelievable. Especially the second comment I quoted - that applies to anyone who has been convicted who hitherto had an unblemished record and now outed as a criminal. Perhaps some have but this point was so prominent in news reports today. Clearly if one is upper/middle class the judge will take into account their social standing more so than if one were a working class criminal. It's just disgusting really.


    what article did you get those quotes from?


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