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Police release bodycam video capturing woman's violent beach arrest

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    #32
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,037 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    If a cop can't restrain a 7 stone woman easily he shouldn't be a ****ing cop.

    Again, you know this how?

    You don't. In fact I doubt you ever had a physical confrontation in your life, never mind having to restrain someone and arrest them without knocking them unconscious or seriously hurting them, which is the easier option of course.

    Best you get back to playing Dungeons and Dragons with the other pseudo experts before you get really found out here.


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    #33
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    If a cop can't restrain a 7 stone woman easily he shouldn't be a ****ing cop.

    Why? Your average female cop cant restrain a 14st man. Should they be allowed to be Police Officers?


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    #34
    TheIrishGrover
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    Could have been worse. She could have been black.......


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    #35
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    markodaly wrote: »
    Again, you know this how?

    You don't. In fact I doubt you ever had a physical confrontation in your life, never mind having to restrain someone and arrest them without knocking them unconscious or seriously hurting them, which is the easier option of course.

    Best you get back to playing Dungeons and Dragons with the other pseudo experts before you get really found out here.

    Several years of Brazilian jiu-jitsu experience, boxed and practiced karate as a kid, I've been punched a few times. I as a very average BJJ player could restrain most people without hurting them or me. A cop who part of their job is to restrain people (for various reasons) should be able to do the same.

    It's incredibly easy to restrain a resisting, untrained person.

    Don't have time to play D&D unfortunately, too busy trying not to get malaria at the moment.

    You'd best get back to trying to defend sociopaths who assault and batter petite women because they tell them to **** off.


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    #36
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Why? Your average female cop cant restrain a 14st man. Should they be allowed to be Police Officers?

    If your average female cop can't easily restrain a 7ston young woman, she shouldn't be a cop.

    The whataboutery here is idiocy.

    Cops should be trained to be able to do their job without resorting to physically assaulting people who pose absolutely no threat to them.


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    #37
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Several years of Brazilian jiu-jitsu experience, boxed and practiced karate as a kid, I've been punched a few times. I as a very average BJJ player could restrain most people without hurting them or me. A cop who part of their job is to restrain people (for various reasons) should be able to do the same.

    It's incredibly easy to restrain a resisting, untrained person.

    Don't have time to play D&D unfortunately, too busy trying not to get malaria at the moment.

    You'd best get back to trying to defend sociopaths who assault and batter petite women because they tell them to **** off.


    So you have never had to restrain someone who does not wish to be restrained?


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    #38
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    markodaly wrote: »
    Again, you know this how?

    You don't. In fact I doubt you ever had a physical confrontation in your life, never mind having to restrain someone and arrest them without knocking them unconscious or seriously hurting them, which is the easier option of course.

    Best you get back to playing Dungeons and Dragons with the other pseudo experts before you get really found out here.
    Haha, might be a good idea to check out a poster's history first before calling them out


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    #39
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    So you have never had to restrain someone who does not wish to be restrained?

    Yes.

    It's pretty easy when you know what you're doing, especially if they're half your weight.

    And people who I train with can do the same to me because they're more experienced or better than i am.


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    #40
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Yes.

    It's pretty easy when you know what you're doing, especially if they're half your weight.


    I don't think you have much experience to be honest. If you had any experience you'd know that someone of any weight can resist being restrained. Not through strength or body weight but by sheer stubbornness.


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    #41
    gctest50
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    .......

    . If you had any experience you'd know that someone of any weight can resist being restrained.

    Nonsense, just pick them up and put them back down again


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    #42
    Mutant z
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    The USA is a very strange country you can't legally drink alcohol until your 21 but join the army absolutely no problem,owning a gun no problem either but god help anyone purchase alcohol.


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    #43
    Subcomandante Marcos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    I don't think you have much experience to be honest. If you had any experience you'd know that someone of any weight can resist being restrained. Not through strength or body weight but by sheer stubbornness.

    And anyone with basic training can take them down and control them, easily.


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    #44
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    And anyone with basic training can take them down and control them, easily.


    That's just incorrect. Maybe in a gym with an instructor on a rubber mat but in real life people can resist a hold a lot harder and getting cuffs on them is even harder again.


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    #45
    BPKS
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    I'll say this much.

    After see loads of teenagers drinking on a beach near me over the last week and leaving glass bottles and other rubbish scattered all over the beach, its an awful pity that some "excessive force" isnt used here in these situations.


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    #46
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    That's just incorrect. Maybe in a gym with an instructor on a rubber mat but in real life people can resist a hold a lot harder and getting cuffs on them is even harder again.

    Sona full grown man needs to beat the ****e out of a tiny young woman to restrain her and he's justified because she pushed him when he tried to wrongfully arrest her?

    Get the boat. You literally haven't a clue what you're talking about.


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    #47
    PandaPoo
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    On one hand I think she was being an idiot. She was rude and not cooperating. I heard he wasn't punching her in the head but in the arms to cuff her? I didn't see the original video though so he probably was.

    Don't think he needed to pull her hair or pinch her though. The size of her! And her child was there too


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    #48
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    PandaPoo wrote: »
    On one hand I think she was being an idiot. She was rude and not cooperating. I heard he wasn't punching her in the head but in the arms to cuff her? I didn't see the original video though so he probably was.

    Don't think he needed to pull her hair or pinch her though. The size of her! And her child was there too

    He was hammer fisting her in the head and neck.


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    #49
    gctest50
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    BPKS wrote: »
    I'll say this much.

    After see loads of teenagers drinking on a beach near me over the last week and leaving glass bottles and other rubbish scattered all over the beach, its an awful pity that some "excessive force" isnt used here in these situations.



    The council need to put out some bins and clean the beach like normal civilised countries :




    It'd be a job for someone, and it'd sort the place out



    But they won't do that because ......"'them young wans aren't paying us rates and if we clean it up they'll only use it"


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    #50
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Sona full grown man needs to beat the ****e out of a tiny young woman to restrain her and he's justified because she pushed him when he tried to wrongfully arrest her?


    Can you show me where I said that? I said it's not always easy to restrain people who don't want to be restrained even if you are trained to do so and outweigh them.

    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Get the boat. You literally haven't a clue what you're talking about.


    Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. And if you ever have to restrain someone outside a controlled setting I hope it goes well for you.


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    #51
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,900 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    She resisted arrest. Game over.

    You and the dweebs who upvoted you are scary.

    The arrest was illegal. There was no probable cause to believe the woman had committed an offence for which she could be legally arrested. She did not even have to submit to the brethalyzer test and would have been within her rights to refuse. Nor is there any legal requirement for her to give them her name.

    The pretend-a-cops should have just walked away.
    For example, in New York it’s a misdemeanor to intentionally prevent a police officer “from effecting an authorized arrest.” (N.Y. Penal Law § 205.30.) In that state, an arrest is “authorized” if the police have probable cause to believe that the suspect has broken the law, even if the suspect actually hasn’t.

    Her resisting arrest was legal because they had no probable cause, particularly having got a 0 reading on the breathalyzer.


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    #52
    facehugger99
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    99% of the time I’d be on the side of the cops, but those guys were fcuking nazis on a power trip.


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    #53
    blinding
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    Can’t Spanish Police give you a slap across the face if you are being aggressive and mouthy . They certainly could in the past .

    I saw a documentary where this Physically big woman ( reasonably physically fit looking ) was giving the Spanish Police an earful in a mouthy aggressive manner .

    The Policeman just slapped her across the face . You have never heard a mouthy woman shut her mouth so fast . The documentary maker made it clear that the Police Officer was perfectly allowed to do this under Spanish law . Beware the Spanish Police they are not to be messed with .

    I don’t know if Spanish Police are still allowed to do this or not .


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    #54
    TomOnBoard
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    This is yet another example of why law enforcement officers should all be wearing body cams. In this situation, the body cam video, coupled with bystander phone video will do a great job when that thug and his police force are sued until they bleed!!


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    #55
    LionelNashe
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    He was a 'Special Police Officer Class II' (which is better than a Special Police Officer Class I but not as good as plain 'Police Officer'), hired for the summer season. This is partly why the US had so much trouble in Abu Ghraib etc. Amateurs/Reservists being given too much power.

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    #56
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    LionelNashe wrote: »
    He was a 'Special Police Officer Class II' (which is better than a Special Police Officer Class I but not as good as plain 'Police Officer'), hired for the summer season. This is partly why the US had so much trouble in Abu Ghraib etc. Amateurs/Reservists being given too much power.

    2012-12-02_amateurs.png

    Too much power and not enough training. He should have been trained to call for a "proper" police officer as soon as he could no longer deal with her.


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    #57
    Mrtestosterone
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭Mrtestosterone


    weisses wrote: »
    Rotterdam last night

    hit a cop and you are in trouble ... No mercy

    https://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/7443549/6bd88998/gelijke_monniken,_gelijke_klappen.html

    I would have slaughtered the cop even if this resulted in my own demise.


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    #58
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,900 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    Too much power and not enough training. He should have been trained to call for a "proper" police officer as soon as he could no longer deal with her.

    He had no right to be 'dealing' with her in the first place. The only thing there was any evidence of her consuming was a packet of fruit.


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    #59
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    blinding wrote: »
    Can’t Spanish Police give you a slap across the face if you are being aggressive and mouthy . They certainly could in the past .

    I saw a documentary where this Physically big woman ( reasonably physically fit looking ) was giving the Spanish Police an earful in a mouthy aggressive manner .

    The Policeman just slapped her across the face . You have never heard a mouthy woman shut her mouth so fast . The documentary maker made it clear that the Police Officer was perfectly allowed to do this under Spanish law . Beware the Spanish Police they are not to be messed with .

    I don’t know if Spanish Police are still allowed to do this or not .

    Well they were literally fascists until relatively recently.


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    #60
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    If this was a video of little Damo from Ballymun, attacking and racially abusing a guarda on Dollymount beach.

    You would all be praising the guard for hitting the little scrote and demanding capital punishment.


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    #61
    milehip
    Registered Users Posts: 733 ✭✭✭milehip


    Mrtestosterone wrote: »
    weisses wrote: »
    Rotterdam last night

    hit a cop and you are in trouble ... No mercy

    https://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/7443549/6bd88998/gelijke_monniken,_gelijke_klappen.html

    I would have slaughtered the cop even if this resulted in my own demise.


    Great user name!!!

    Kinda feel sorry for the women in the videos....but if you're not smart enough to realise your probably on hiding to nothing getting of the wrong side of a police..... well the videos speak for themselves.

    Tl;dr. Yes guard,no guard,three bags full guard.


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