Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

hardybuck

Clare are a Division 2 football county and one win away from qualifying for the Super 8s - that's a solid win last night.

Ropaire

hardybuck wrote: »

Clare are a Division 2 football county and one win away from qualifying for the Super 8s - that's a solid win last night.

We have some very good footballers in the county though. We just treat football like dirt so this kind of a result, while possible on a regular basis, is rare because of the focus put on hurling and the same issues we have in hurling where the mentors are thrown together with no real long term plan to develop.

hardybuck

Ropaire wrote: »

We have some very good footballers in the county though. We just treat football like dirt so this kind of a result, while possible on a regular basis, is rare because of the focus put on hurling and the same issues we have in hurling where the mentors are thrown together with no real long term plan to develop.

I'm well familiar.

People will say that you can't have both sports at a decent standard - which is absolute rubbish. Clare won a Munster senior football title in 1992 and won an All Ireland Senior hurling in 1997 and 1999. They're also a top football side now.

Mastermcgrath

hardybuck wrote: »

Clare are a Division 2 football county and one win away from qualifying for the Super 8s - that's a solid win last night.

Except it’s their under 20 team we beat last night. The senior team has no bearing on that group

hardybuck

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Except it’s their under 20 team we beat last night. The senior team has no bearing on that group

The success of the senior team is a reflection on the overall health of the game in the county and the regard in which it is held.

upthedeise16

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Except it’s their under 20 team we beat last night. The senior team has no bearing on that group

In a way this is true, I’m pretty sure the under 20s on the senior panel can only play with Division 4 teams (perhaps Div 3 as well) and not Division 1 and 2.
Still credit where credit is due, they beat the team in front of them without proper preparation.

thesaturdayman

Another fixture disaster from a County Board / GAA perspective;

Waterford are down to play;

u20 hurling Munster SF on the 9th of July vs Tipp (away) (final due for 23rd July)

u20 football Munster SF in the 11th of July vs Cork (away) (final due for 18th of July)

Senior football Champ is on then from 12th of July

So some players are being asked to play Championship the 9th, 11th and 12th of July!

Surely the county board will have to at least put back the Senior fixtures a week or two give lads a chance to rest up and clubs a chance to prepare with their players?

Also WTF are the GAA at with the fixtures! Whoever was making them didnt plan on the win last night!!

Fair play to all involved, 8 dual lads is fair going, just goes to show what can be achieved with a bit of planning (on player side, not the fixtures!)

emergingstar

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Another fixture disaster from a County Board / GAA perspective;

Waterford are down to play;

u20 hurling Munster SF on the 9th of July vs Tipp (away) (final due for 23rd July)

u20 football Munster SF in the 11th of July vs Cork (away) (final due for 18th of July)

Senior football Champ is on then from 12th of July

So some players are being asked to play Championship the 9th, 11th and 12th of July!

Surely the county board will have to at least put back the Senior fixtures a week or two give lads a chance to rest up and clubs a chance to prepare with their players?

Also WTF are the GAA at with the fixtures! Whoever was making them didnt plan on the win last night!!

Fair play to all involved, 8 dual lads is fair going, just goes to show what can be achieved with a bit of planning (on player side, not the fixtures!)

only 1 football fixture on the 12th the rest are on the 14th so they will probably stand

hardybuck

upthedeise16 wrote: »

In a way this is true, I’m pretty sure the under 20s on the senior panel can only play with Division 4 teams (perhaps Div 3 as well) and not Division 1 and 2.
Still credit where credit is due, they beat the team in front of them without proper preparation.

To the best of my knowledge, the only Waterford teams in hurling and football that have won Championship fixtures from minor level up have been the minor football team and the U20 football team.

We really should start directing resources where it has a decent return on investment - look at all that money wasted on hurling in 2019! :pac:

Stopitwillya

hardybuck wrote: »

To the best of my knowledge, the only Waterford teams in hurling and football that have won Championship fixtures from minor level up have been the minor football team and the U20 football team.

We really should start directing resources where it has a decent return on investment - look at all that money wasted on hurling in 2019! :pac:

That's cause the great man himself was involved with both teams, with the minors as a selector and with the under 20s as manager.

Time to start the campaign - Gavin Whelan for Waterford Senior Hurling manager 2020.

deiseach

hardybuck wrote: »

To the best of my knowledge, the only Waterford teams in hurling and football that have won Championship fixtures from minor level up have been the minor football team and the U20 football team.

We really should start directing resources where it has a decent return on investment - look at all that money wasted on hurling in 2019! :pac:

deiseach

Giveitfong wrote: »

This year’s team in particular had some big players who were good in the air – a quality which is sadly lacking at senior level at the moment. We should, of course, be working on helping these guys to make the transition to senior level but, sadly, Waterford have no developmental academy to make sure that this happens. There is no continuity in the cultivation of Waterford under-age talent, with selectors being chosen on an ad-hoc basis from year to year with no coherent coaching system. Sometimes I look at the under-age selectors which other counties have and reckon that, if Waterford had people like those, they would achieve much more success at this level. I have lost count of the number of times Waterford under-age teams have been badly let down by those on the sideline.

This is a general question rather than specifically directed at Giveitfong. What manner of 'academy' do they have in other counties to bridge the gap between underage and Senior?

upthedeise16

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Another fixture disaster from a County Board / GAA perspective;

Waterford are down to play;

u20 hurling Munster SF on the 9th of July vs Tipp (away) (final due for 23rd July)

u20 football Munster SF in the 11th of July vs Cork (away) (final due for 18th of July)

Senior football Champ is on then from 12th of July

So some players are being asked to play Championship the 9th, 11th and 12th of July!

Surely the county board will have to at least put back the Senior fixtures a week or two give lads a chance to rest up and clubs a chance to prepare with their players?

Also WTF are the GAA at with the fixtures! Whoever was making them didnt plan on the win last night!!

Fair play to all involved, 8 dual lads is fair going, just goes to show what can be achieved with a bit of planning (on player side, not the fixtures!)

Under 20 football vs Cork changed to the 12th of July in Clonakilty

Mastermcgrath

upthedeise16 wrote: »

Under 20 football vs Cork changed to the 12th of July in Clonakilty

I’m sorry but 3 day turnaround is still not near enough recovery time. Whoever signed off on this fixture plan in the first place is taking the piss

thesaturdayman

upthedeise16 wrote: »

Under 20 football vs Cork changed to the 12th of July in Clonakilty

is the senior champ still on?

thesaturdayman

Heard last night that the dual players on the u20 panel were not given any gear by county board as they were told they’ll get the same gear from hurlers.

What an incentive for lads to play both codes.

Never realized county board are that hard up for a few bob that 8 pairs of shorts and socks would break the bank.

And before anyone says it, yes things are that bad in every aspect.

Mastermcgrath

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Heard last night that the dual players on the u20 panel were not given any gear by county board as they were told they’ll get the same gear from hurlers.

What an incentive for lads to play both codes.

Never realized county board are that hard up for a few bob that 8 pairs of shorts and socks would break the bank.

And before anyone says it, yes things are that bad in every aspect.

they were given the option of availing of all the same gear that they already had from the hurling panel, and most of them said no they didn't need it. These lads have been involved in intercounty panels with years they have more gear than their wardrobes can fit. Not like they're going around in glad-rags. (also theres more to just gear than 'shorts and socks' youre talking training gear, polo shirts, sweat tops etc)

I see no issue here, if you were running a business you don't throw money around unnecessarily, not to mention an amateur organization.

Stopitwillya

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Heard last night that the dual players on the u20 panel were not given any gear by county board as they were told they’ll get the same gear from hurlers.

What an incentive for lads to play both codes.

Never realized county board are that hard up for a few bob that 8 pairs of shorts and socks would break the bank.

And before anyone says it, yes things are that bad in every aspect.

I think you and your mate need to get over it and move on. No point being bitter all your life.

thesaturdayman

Not one but bitter, I’m a realist & those are facts, this isn’t opinion.

That happened as my club mates who were playing against Clare told us all Wednesday night.

Also member of team mgmt was running around Elverys buying lads gear day of match as cb wouldn’t provide it.

A particular player was told he got gear with county senior panel & wouldn’t be getting it for u20

PTH2009

Anyone knw how the training is going for the under 20 hurlers who face Tipp in the Munster semi final on Tuesday coming ???

Who's in the management team

spideyman92

PTH2009 wrote: »

Anyone knw how the training is going for the under 20 hurlers who face Tipp in the Munster semi final on Tuesday coming ???

Who's in the management team

Bit mental that the game is on Tuesday and nobody seems to know who's in the squad or who the management team is.

thesaturdayman

spideyman92 wrote: »

Bit mental that the game is on Tuesday and nobody seems to know who's in the squad or who the management team is.

Stephen gough mgr & mick mahoney selector I believe - not certain mind you!

8 dual players - after that I haven’t a breeze tbh!

mickmackmcgoo

thesaturdayman wrote:

8 dual players - after that I haven’t a breeze tbh!

Assume Michael kiely is on it . Wadding from Roanmore wasn't originally on it as was doing leaving cert but could have been called up. 3 from Ballygunner on it but i don't know names

Tg4 are showing the game on Tuesday.

seananigans

Stopitwillya wrote: »

That's cause the great man himself was involved with both teams, with the minors as a selector and with the under 20s as manager.

Time to start the campaign - Gavin Whelan for Waterford Senior Hurling manager 2020.

scully ryan was awful unlucky , he came within 30 seconds of beating kk in 2013 , we were playing this great basketball/Gaelic football style of bouncing off the hard sod into the hand bypassing the tackler.


the podcast the other week was awful refreshing hed be my vote for next year, if nothing else hed have the fitness sorted , no waterford masn has more all irelands than he has, and look how westmeath have progeressed from maybe 15th to 10th in the pecking order

cul beag

seananigans wrote: »

scully ryan was awful unlucky , he came within 30 seconds of beating kk in 2013 , we were playing this great basketball/Gaelic football style of bouncing off the hard sod into the hand bypassing the tackler.


the podcast the other week was awful refreshing hed be my vote for next year, if nothing else hed have the fitness sorted , no waterford masn has more all irelands than he has, and look how westmeath have progeressed from maybe 15th to 10th in the pecking order

The players wouldn’t want him.

Mastermcgrath

seananigans wrote: »

scully ryan was awful unlucky , he came within 30 seconds of beating kk in 2013 , we were playing this great basketball/Gaelic football style of bouncing off the hard sod into the hand bypassing the tackler.


the podcast the other week was awful refreshing hed be my vote for next year, if nothing else hed have the fitness sorted , no waterford masn has more all irelands than he has, and look how westmeath have progeressed from maybe 15th to 10th in the pecking order

Those All Ireland’s were in ladies football. And Westmeath didn’t progress that much under him. He couldn’t get them up out of Division 2A and Joe Quaid managed it in his first year without 3 best of their best players this year. Don’t get me wrong I’ve good time for the guy but I was never a fan of him as our manager and certainly not in favour of him going back

TheScoringGoal

seananigans wrote: »

scully ryan was awful unlucky , he came within 30 seconds of beating kk in 2013 , we were playing this great basketball/Gaelic football style of bouncing off the hard sod into the hand bypassing the tackler.


the podcast the other week was awful refreshing hed be my vote for next year, if nothing else hed have the fitness sorted , no waterford masn has more all irelands than he has, and look how westmeath have progeressed from maybe 15th to 10th in the pecking order

How were we 30 seconds from beating them? Owens blew the whistle while Matthew Ruth was putting the ball over the bar for what would have won them the game in normal time. That Kilkenny team then lost to Cork so it was far from a top level one.

thesaturdayman

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

How were we 30 seconds from beating them? Owens blew the whistle while Matthew Ruth was putting the ball over the bar for what would have won them the game in normal time. That Kilkenny team then lost to Cork so it was far from a top level one.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!

Don’t be bursting the bubbles of the boys in the nire valley!

TheScoringGoal

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!

Don’t be bursting the bubbles of the boys in the nire valley!

My issue is that Michael Ryan is a class man who has given huge service to the county, his club and any team that ever asked him for a hand. But making up stories detracts from all that.