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Prostitution: when is it going to be legalised and regulated?

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    #62
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Of all the "Liberal" ideas the one I struggled with was abortion - taking another life without consent. Most other liberal ideas I am fine with. The Swedish model of openly discriminating against men in prostitution is incredibly regressive and sexist. Also it is making it easy for the criminal gangs.

    What could be more normal than a man paying a woman for sex consensually - she gets money and he gets sex. Win Win. She also gets the full protection of the state.

    It would also make for a lot less awkward women hating men out there.

    Contrast to the current situation where he is a criminal and she is part of a criminal activity.

    It seems odd to me that we now live in a society where it's fine to use abortion as a form of contraception multiple times if necessary, yet we outlaw consenting sexual activity between adults. Only if they pay for it.

    By all means outlaw trafficking. But don't outlaw consensual sex between adults.

    Above also goes for male prostitutes, gigolos etc. by the way.


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    #63
    Roger_007
    Registered Users Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    The law regarding prostitution is bizarre. The consumers of the service, ( mostly men), are treated as criminals, while the providers of the service, (mostly women), are treated as victims.
    If we applied the same principle to the illegal drugs scene we would criminalise the drug users and regard the pushers and suppliers as victims.
    Prostitution must be the only 'crime' where the victims are the ones who profit from it.


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    #64
    SimonTemplar
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    There will always be prostitution. Making it illegal, either for the client or the prostitute, is never going to stop it. Therefore, I would much prefer it to be legalized and properly regulated which would surely make it safer for all concerned. They've done it in Germany and The Netherlands so it isn't a completely radical concept.


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    #65
    Muzzymor
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭Muzzymor


    A woman should be free to do whatever she wants with her body.
    I fail to see the non puritan reason for prostitution being illegal?
    Perhaps some sexist men think that women can't be trusted to make intelligent decisions for themselves?

    If women want to provide a service and men want to pay for it and it isn't hurting anybody, who are these fascists to decide that what two consenting adults do with their bodies should be illegal.

    Prostitution being illegal is basically the state claiming ownership of a woman's body and denying her the right to choose how she uses her own body.

    It is utterly bizarre in this day and age.


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    #66
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    We're probably still a generation or two away from this, sadly.

    If anything, it might be the issue of change that old men will get behind. :)


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    #67
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,913 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    Long way before a referendum will come on legalising prostitution.

    Next referendum in October is on removing blasphemy and changing the constitution with reference to women in the home.

    Times are changing indeed.


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    #68
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    anewme wrote: »
    Long way before a referendum will come on legalising prostitution.

    Next referendum in October is on removing blasphemy and changing the constitution with reference to women in the home.

    Times are changing indeed.

    No referendum needed on prostitution.


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    #69
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Muzzymor wrote: »
    Perhaps some sexist men think that women can't be trusted to make intelligent decisions for themselves?

    That was very much the case in the past for sure, but it's far more likely to be college educated middle-class women in positions of power in NGO's, government & certain parts of academia who now push the idea that the purchase & sale of sex is in itself a form of violence against women.

    Women who point out that they engage in sex work entirely of their own free will need to be protected & saved from themselves.


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    #70
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Yamanoto wrote: »
    Many proponents of 'Repeal the 8th' would be the very same folks who'd dismiss women who freely choose to engage in sex work as victims by definition.


    Sweden's Skarhed commission and report (Ban on purchase of sexual services: An evaluation 1999-2008) 2010

    Seems you can only be a strong & independent woman, once it fits in nicely with third-wave orthodoxy. Deviate from it & they'll do all in their power to save you - oddly reminiscent of how Catholic Ireland went about its business way back when.

    I think it’s 4th wave but you are right. There’s more logic to a woman’s right to choose with prostitution, as there’s no other entity involved.

    However logic doesn’t work with much of modern leftism. Even if a woman has chosen freely they will blame the patriarchy.


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    #71
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,913 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    professore wrote: »
    No referendum needed on prostitution.

    It's not going to be legalised any time soon no matter which way you look at it though.


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    #72
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    professore wrote: »
    No referendum needed on prostitution.

    Yeh. They only reason that there was a referendum to legalise abortion was because there was a previous referendum to ban it and to disallow any law from legalising it.

    In fact the legislature always needs to pass laws on these things.

    Abortion isn’t decriminalised yet because there’s an existing law (from the 19th C iirc) banning it. However the Dail can now legalise.

    No such amendment to the constitution pertains to prostitution.


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    #73
    Pugzilla
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    anewme wrote: »
    It's not going to be legalised any time soon no matter which way you look at it though.


    Why?


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    #74
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    If anything, it might be the issue of change that old men will get behind. :)

    But not young women.


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    #75
    Pugzilla
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    But not young women.


    I'm sure the old men would like to get behind the young women.


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    #76
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,913 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    Pugzilla wrote: »
    Why?

    Changes to legislation only happen when there is a big drive or push behind them.

    I don't think there is with this issue, I don't think it would be seen as a priority for the majority of the public.

    Not sure any politician or partywould take it on to get momentum going to drive change and garner support.


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    #77
    Sunflower Lecithin
    Site Banned Posts: 6 ✭Sunflower Lecithin


    anewme wrote: »
    Changes to legislation only happen when there is a big drive or push behind them.

    I don't think there is with this issue, I don't think it would be seen as a priority for the majority of the public.

    Not sure any politician or partywould take it on to get momentum going to drive change and garner support.

    Strange that, there's seems to be huge support to give women choice, and to trust women.


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    #78
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Sunflower Lecithin wrote: »
    Strange that, there's seems to be huge support to give women choice, and to trust women.

    Except many of the the organised forces that support abortion do not believe in bodily autonomy with regards to prostitution.

    There is no equivalent pro legal prostitution lobby.


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    #79
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,913 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    Sunflower Lecithin wrote: »
    Strange that, there's seems to be huge support to give women choice, and to trust women.

    That's my opinion on why it wont be changing anytime soon anyway.

    Do you know of anyone currently pushing it? None of the parties have it on their current Agenda I don't think. It would be a brave politician who would want to be seen as the Driver here. It would be seen as political suicide.

    Time will tell. My opinion is you'll be left waiting.


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    #80
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,312 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Except many of the the organised forces that opposed abortion do not believe in bodily autonomy with regards to prostitution.

    There is no equivalent pro legal prostitution lobby.

    Actually id say its more of some lf the repeal folk like Ivana Bacik who would like to stop legalised prostitution. Selective bodily autonomy and all that.

    All Eyes On Rafah



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    #81
    Sunflower Lecithin
    Site Banned Posts: 6 ✭Sunflower Lecithin


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Except many of the the organised forces that opposed abortion do not believe in bodily autonomy with regards to prostitution.

    There is no equivalent pro legal prostitution lobby.

    Follow the lines of power. The typical 1st world woman gains power with legalised abortion, the typical 1st world woman loses power with legalised prostitution.


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    #82
    scorching hemorrhoids
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 20 ✭scorching hemorrhoids


    Never heard of incels until last week
    men not getting it in, go on warpath
    women bitch about the incels
    either women give it up on request to men or we legalise prostitution
    women now puzzeled
    they themselves either become tramps or legalise prostitution


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    #83
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    scorching hemorrhoids wrote: »
    Never heard of incels until last week
    men not getting it in, go on warpath
    women bitch about the incels
    either women give it up on request to men or we legalise prostitution
    women now puzzeled
    they themselves either become tramps or legalise prostitution

    Or incels don’t have any rights to sex.


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    #84
    Sunflower Lecithin
    Site Banned Posts: 6 ✭Sunflower Lecithin


    scorching hemorrhoids wrote: »
    Never heard of incels until last week
    men not getting it in, go on warpath
    women bitch about the incels
    either women give it up on request to men or we legalise prostitution
    women now puzzeled
    they themselves either become tramps or legalise prostitution

    Nobody is entitled to sex.


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    #85
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,913 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    scorching hemorrhoids wrote: »
    either women give it up on request to men or we legalise prostitution

    Seriously wtf...


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    #86
    scorching hemorrhoids
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 20 ✭scorching hemorrhoids


    Sunflower Lecithin wrote: »
    Nobody is entitled to sex.
    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Or incels don’t have any rights to sex.

    Dont bitch when incels go on the war path
    all can be fixed by either women putting out easy or legalising prostitution,
    now i dont think a law forcing women to be tramps is a runner, so we legalise prostitution
    next time you see a lunatic kill because he aint getting it in remember it all could have been prevented


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    #87
    artanevilla
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,438 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Men can be prostitutes too you know.


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    #88
    Sunflower Lecithin
    Site Banned Posts: 6 ✭Sunflower Lecithin


    A key difference between men and women is most men would prefer bad sex to no sex whereas most women would prefer no sex to bad sex. This is what gives women power over many men.


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    #89
    scorching hemorrhoids
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 20 ✭scorching hemorrhoids


    anewme wrote: »
    Seriously wtf...

    call a spade a spade
    too much beating around the bush
    the solution to incels on the warpath is clear


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    #90
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,913 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    scorching hemorrhoids wrote: »
    next time you see a lunatic kill because he aint getting it in remember it all could have been prevented

    To actually post this after what has happened in Ireland in the last few weeks shows your ignorance.

    Have a bit of respect.


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    #91
    scorching hemorrhoids
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 20 ✭scorching hemorrhoids


    anewme wrote: »
    To actually post this after what has happened in Ireland in the last few weeks shows your ignorance.

    Have a bit of respect.

    what have the 2 high profile murders of the last week got to do with legalising prostitution?
    have you got some info about said victims that no one else has?
    what are you implying?


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