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Prostitution: when is it going to be legalised and regulated?

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    #32
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    Shout loud enough ( or maybe get Ruth Coppinger to speak in her normal voice) and the government and the people will buckle and make it legal.


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    #33
    Taytoland
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    nullzero wrote: »
    Because regulation of prostitution is the biggest issue facing the average Irish person who can't afford to have roof over their head.

    Neither was abortion either. People willing to march for that but not near enough for homeless people.


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    #34
    padd b1975
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Or formula 1 pit girls.

    Trust women but only if they're doing something I agree with according to Red Ruth.


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    #35
    Taytoland
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    Yamanoto wrote: »
    Fuaranach wrote: »
    What possible arguments are there for not legalising and, more importantly, regulating prostitution in Ireland?

    Many proponents of 'Repeal the 8th' would be the very same folks who'd dismiss women who freely choose to engage in sex work as victims by definition.
    "Those who defend prostitution argue that it is possible to differentiate between voluntary and non-voluntary prostitution, that adults should have the right to freely sell and freely purchase sex (...) However, based on a gender equality and human rights perspective, (...) the distinction between voluntary and nonvoluntary prostitution is not relevant."
    Sweden's Skarhed commission and report (Ban on purchase of sexual services: An evaluation 1999-2008) 2010

    Seems you can only be a strong & independent woman, once it fits in nicely with third-wave orthodoxy. Deviate from it & they'll do all in their power to save you - oddly reminiscent of how Catholic Ireland went about its business way back when.

    Brilliant post and spot on. The radical feminists will never agree with it. I think the morality of Prostitution is far greater than abortion and yet they hate it. Boggles the mind.


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    #36
    Samuel T. Cogley
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    Jimmy Dags wrote: »
    Prefer escorts myself.

    Love an ol' XR3 myself too.


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    #37
    Noveight
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Love an ol' XR3 myself too.

    I'll have a Mk2 Mexico any day! Older escorts are always beauts... :pac:


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    #38
    irishanarchist
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    It will never be Legalises or Regulated here because its good for a Man if you are a Man your being stamped on.


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    #39
    TheValeyard
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Legalised,
    Regulated
    And taxed


    So revenue also get to f*ck you.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #40
    A Pint of Goo
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Or formula 1 pit girls.

    Trust women but only if they're doing something I agree with according to Red Ruth.

    That pissed me off. ****ing jealous fat femanazis ruining it for everyone.


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    #41
    nozzferrahhtoo
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    There was a for and against documentry on RTE not too long ago, probably still on the player somewhere?

    If I was against sex work though I would be sadly disappointed with the woman they chose to represent that side of the argument. She was a dour anti man extremist. And that's diluting the description to make it more palatable.
    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    I'd also not like to see the German/Aussie model brought in, industrialised prostitution is a big a magnet to trafficking as illegal prostitution.

    I am not sure how true that actually is to be honest. But true or not my reply to it is always the same..... at least a legal regulated model gives us the tools to combat such trafficking in a way that an illegal underground industry simply does not.

    That is not to say making it legal will automatically mean we can beat those problems. But if the goal IS to beat those problems, one way seems to afford many more methods to work on it than the other.


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    #42
    mzungu
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    Much and all as I disagree with it. If both parties are willing to make the transaction and nobody has been coerced into doing it, then the state should have absolutely no say in it. They are, of course, fully entitled to tax it and they should provide sufficient supports for workers in the industry.

    Legalising it will make it safer for the women working in the industry. As it stands, this is not the case.


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    #43
    Conservatory
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    No, it should remain illegal and the client guilty of an offence as is current Irish law
    Is it mainly poor people that get into it in the legal countries?

    I’m sure there are poster girls with degrees and stuff but is there any numbers on the likelihood or percentages of it being borne from poverty?


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    #44
    MikeyTaylor
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    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    I think it's disgusting and exploitative.


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    #45
    Your Face
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    Fuaranach wrote: »
    Just wondering what the next campaign will be and this one seems like a nice safe one which won't affect the personal finances of "liberals" - unlike say a campaign to create a fair and equitable health system for all, which would be the biggest societal and ethical advance in Ireland since free education was introduced but would increase taxes and prevent our so-called liberal reformers from using their private health insurance to skip the health queue over somebody in more need, of course. Can't be having that sort of real reform!

    Well that's it in a nutshell.

    Well put.


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    #46
    Kirby
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    MikeyTaylor wrote: »
    I think it's disgusting and exploitative.

    So is the modern betting culture. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be legal surely?


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    #47
    JupiterKid
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Yes of course it should be legalised and regulated. Same goes for illegal drugs. Let's accept human nature and legislate accordingly.


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    #48
    One eyed Jack
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Yes of course it should be legalised and regulated. Same goes for illegal drugs. Let's accept human nature and legislate accordingly.


    We already do accept human nature and that's exactly why we do legislate accordingly - because some people exploit other people who are vulnerable and that's exactly why we make laws to prevent them from doing so, to protect vulnerable people from exploitation.


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    #49
    suicide_circus
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    We already do accept human nature and that's exactly why we do legislate accordingly - because some people exploit other people who are vulnerable and that's exactly why we make laws to prevent them from doing so, to protect vulnerable people from exploitation.
    Seems to be working a treat. Ireland is sex industry free now I believe.


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    #50
    One eyed Jack
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Seems to be working a treat. Ireland is sex industry free now I believe.


    I didn't say that. The law is just one aspect of tackling the issue of prevention of prostitution. Measures like changing the law don't work in isolation which is why the Swedish model which is being implemented across Europe is failing in Sweden - because the additional resources and support structures aren't being implemented.


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    #51
    anewme
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    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    A Pint of Goo wrote: »
    That pissed me off. ****ing jealous fat femanazis ruining it for everyone.

    This type of attitude from the days of the man era needs to be binned.

    Because someone disagrees with a topic, they are therefore by default a fat femanazi?

    Clearly living in a bygone age. No clue with reality.

    Deliverance type outdated mentality.


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    #52
    Pugzilla
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    SJW feminists ruin everything. Look what happened to Star Wars.......


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    #53
    Lucifer_666
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭Lucifer_666


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Pugzilla wrote: »
    SJW feminists ruin everything. Look what happened to Star Wars.......

    Yep,.... Kennedy simply must go and all her crazy ways of thinking. I sometimes even wonder whether she truly liked the franchise in the first place as she seem obsessed in altering the films into something that would ultimately please her and the identity politics brigade rather than the fans.


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    #54
    Rjd2
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Must be infuriating for the sex workers who voted repeal that many others who voted yes citing "personal choice" but when it comes to there line of work probably have opinions that resemble that of the Iona institute.


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    #55
    An Ri rua
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    I think the mini-revolution snowflake crew have legalising prostitution down for September. Then euthanasia for Christmas and possibly pro-choice paedophilia sometime in Easter. Suits the family vibe at that time of year.
    They're even planning a working group to discuss whether responsibilities really are anything to do with rights after all.


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    #56
    ittakestwo
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    But surely a prostitute is choosing to be a prostitute so they are choosing what to do with thier body. I notice a lot on this tread are referring to the referendum and women being prostitutes. Bare in mind there is a good few male prostitutes. My brother was renting out his house in the cc recentally and called over to do repairs when a neighbour called to inform him that his house was basically being run as a brothel by transvestites and male prostitutes :/


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    #57
    MikeyTaylor
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    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    How about assisted suicide. Should we allow that?


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    #58
    nozzferrahhtoo
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I didn't say that. The law is just one aspect of tackling the issue of prevention of prostitution.

    In one post you discuss that we want "to protect vulnerable people from exploitation" and in the next " prevention of prostitution".

    It is useful to point out, just for clarity purposes, that they are by no means the same thing. And we should not mix them up. And in fact doing the latter can exacerbate the problems of the former.


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    #59
    Hector Bellend
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Legalisation is a no brainer.

    A lot of people out there need a good ride


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    #60
    professore
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    Grayson wrote: »
    I'm not even sure about red light zones. I do believe in legalising it. There are bad aspects to prostitution. Trafficking, slavery etc.. However it's far easier to tackle those aspects when it's legal.

    I think zoning laws would be the answer. make brothels be licensed and very regularly inspected. Make sure they're not next to schools etc and that's it. but don't designate one "zone" Just make sure that there's laws saying where they can't be.

    Why not just allow prostitutes to operate discreetly wherever they want? It's not necessary to have flashing signs in the time of smartphones.


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    #61
    professore
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    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    MikeyTaylor wrote: »
    How about assisted suicide. Should we allow that?

    Yes


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