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Prostitution: when is it going to be legalised and regulated?

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    #182
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,801 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    A Pint of Goo wrote: »
    I guess you meant to quote me. If you genuienly think people with massive deformities won't struggle to get sex then you are either delusional or using this belief as a coping strategy.

    How about this, Google images of women who have been culturally enriched with acid attacks and decide if you would sleep with them. The brutal honest answer is no.

    Hold it your moving the goalposts from all to some carefully there. You have no idea who I or anyone would want to date. Many people struggle to get sex its not just people with deformities and if they feel they need to go to a prostitute so be it. I voted yes to regulation and legalizing it in the poll. By the way any chance of answering the question at the end of my message I will leave it here again. I wonder would you be so open with your opinions in the open?


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    #183
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    It should be legalized & lightly regulated, just so nothing happens to the girl. And there should be a guy or girl video taping it in the corner of the room who's jacking off look at em. If a job like that existed in Ireland people would be cuing up to get a job where you can jack off on a girls or guys faces, it would solve the unemployment problem in Ireland.


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    #184
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    Shouldn't be legalized. It's exploitation and disgusting.


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    #185
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    To you.


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    #186
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    To you.

    Yes, to me. Just like child abuse is wrong to me.


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    #187
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Yes, to me. Just like child abuse is wrong to me.


    So a woman or man choosing to have sex with with someone else and get paid for it is the same as child abuse to you?


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    #188
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    VinLieger wrote: »
    So a woman or man choosing to have sex with with someone else and get paid for it is the same as child abuse to you?

    Did I say it was the same. It's turning a person in to a sexual commodity which I find disturbing.


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    #189
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Yes, to me. Just like child abuse is wrong to me.

    Sure but "to me" is useless as an argument. What you personally find wrong or disgusting does not an argument make.

    The difference between legalized sex work, and child abuse, is I know and can make the arguments indicting child abuse as morally wrong.

    I have yet to hear one why sex work is wrong, or why it should be considered disgusting. Your personal distaste and bias is irrelevant.
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Did I say it was the same. It's turning a person in to a sexual commodity which I find disturbing.

    As opposed to them being any other kind of commodity? Why is it suddenly an issue if sex is involved but not anywhere else?


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    #190
    Cupcake_Crisis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Yes, to me. Just like child abuse is wrong to me.

    Ok, but a woman choosing to have sex for money is not child abuse.

    I assume you’ve never watched porn either?


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    #191
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Did I say it was the same. It's turning a person in to a sexual commodity which I find disturbing.


    They arent being turned into a sexual commodity, they are making a choice to provide a service to someone else, but thats a really perverted way of looking at it to be honest.


    The only real reason you have a problem with it is that involves sex which likely stems from your own repressed religious beliefs that you are looking to impose on others.


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    #192
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »
    Ok, but a woman choosing to have sex for money is not child abuse.

    I assume you e never watched porn either?

    No, I don't. I don't believe in degrading fellow humans.


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    #193
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    Sure but "to me" is useless as an argument. What you personally find wrong or disgusting does not an argument make.

    The difference between legalized sex work, and child abuse, is I know and can make the arguments indicting child abuse as morally wrong.

    I have yet to hear one why sex work is wrong, or why it should be considered disgusting. Your personal distaste and bias is irrelevant.



    As opposed to them being any other kind of commodity? Why is it suddenly an issue if sex is involved but not anywhere else?

    Morally wrong to you. Why should you push your views on others. Isn't that your argument?


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    #194
    Cupcake_Crisis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    No, I don't. I don't believe in degrading fellow humans.

    Good for you! Keep on doing that. However, I don’t think people making decisions regarding sex to be degrading so ima keep watching my porn!


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    #195
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    VinLieger wrote: »
    They arent being turned into a sexual commodity, they are making a choice to provide a service to someone else, but thats a really perverted way of looking at it to be honest.


    The only real reason you have a problem with it is that involves sex which likely stems from your own repressed religious beliefs that you are looking to impose on others.

    What religious beliefs?

    Of course they are a sexual commodity. A service is serving someone food.


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    #196
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »
    Good for you! Keep on doing that. However, I don’t think people making decisions regarding sex to be degrading so ima keep watching my porn!

    You make it sound so innocent.


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    #197
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Did I say it was the same. It's turning a person in to a sexual commodity which I find disturbing.

    But a woman's body, her choice. Right?

    Who are you or I or anyone to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. That includes earning money with it.

    Do you feel the same way about Porn?


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    #198
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    No, I don't. I don't believe in degrading fellow humans.

    But it is only degrading TO YOU, it is not actually degrading in and of itself. What IS degrading however is taking the choices of other adults and belittling them based on nothing but your own personal disgust. As if these adults, women most of them, need you to protect them from their own career decisions.

    You want to pretend you do not like degrading people, then stop doing it. As only you are doing it here.
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Morally wrong to you. Why should you push your views on others. Isn't that your argument?

    Nope not my argument at all. We live in a democracy so pushing our views on others is par for the course.

    No the difference I was pointing out has nothing to do with pushing, or not, your views on others. What I was pointing out was your complete lack of arguments to employ WHILE pushing your personal views on others.

    I think we could both make the arguments for why child abuse is wrong. Me likely better than you, but we both could still do it. YOu and I likely know all the arguments against it.

    The arguments against sex work, porn work and so forth however appear to be ENTIRELY based on your own personal disgust. Nothing more.

    And that is no small difference, so I can see why you needed to pretend my arguments were other than they were.
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Of course they are a sexual commodity. A service is serving someone food.

    What has sex got to do with it? What about masseurs? Like sex workers they are simply using parts of their body to manipulate, usually in a pleasurable way, the body of their customers.

    So why is that not a disgusting commodity too? Why is it only magically when sex is involved that you start feeling disgust?
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    You make it sound so innocent.

    The consensual act of sex between consenting adults IS innocent. It is only your personal disgust that is manufacturing an issue with it.


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    #199
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    What religious beliefs?

    Of course they are a sexual commodity. A service is serving someone food.


    You are the one turning people into commodities, i personally believe anyone providing a service to me, like food, is a person and don't try to look down on other people but to each their own.


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    #200
    Cupcake_Crisis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    What religious beliefs?

    Of course they are a sexual commodity. A service is serving someone food.

    I’m a beautician, I provide a service. So does a plumber, a hairdresser, a waiter, a carpenter, and so on and so on. All different types of services. Prostitution is just a service you don’t like, but that doesn’t make it any less of a service.


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    #201
    Cupcake_Crisis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    You make it sound so innocent.

    Because it is? I’m not hurting anyone.


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    #202
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    You make it sound so innocent.


    Sex between two consenting adults is perfectly innocent, you are the one trying to claim otherwise but providing zero reasons to back it up


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    #203
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »
    I’m a beautician, I provide a service. So does a plumber, a hairdresser, a waiter, a carpenter, and so on and so on. All different types of services. Prostitution is just a service you don’t like, but that doesn’t make it any less of a service.

    Well, child trafficking is a service going by your strange logic.


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    #204
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    But a woman's body, her choice. Right?

    Who are you or I or anyone to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. That includes earning money with it.

    Do you feel the same way about Porn?

    It's not 'her body her choice'. That's an irritating slogan that has become popular for some reason. When you live in a society with other people you can't just do whatever you want.


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    #205
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Well, child trafficking is a service going by your strange logic.

    And again, we can explain what is WRONG with trafficking without mere appeal to our own personal disgust. There are moral and philosophical arguments we can make against it.

    Not so much porn or sex work, where you appear to have nothing BUT your personal disgust to go on. And your degrading of people while pretending your issue is with the degrading of people.
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    It's not 'her body her choice'. That's an irritating slogan that has become popular for some reason. When you live in a society with other people you can't just do whatever you want.

    You can if you are in no way curtailing the rights and well being of others. Or at least you should be able to. Why sex between CONSENTING Adults is wrong.... or at least only specifically wrong if money changes hands..... is awaiting your clarification.


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    #206
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Well, child trafficking is a service going by your strange logic.

    You are missing two key words in your nonsense comparison.

    Consenting Adults.


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    #207
    Cupcake_Crisis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Well, child trafficking is a service going by your strange logic.

    A child can’t give informed consent so.... no. And if you could stop bringing children into a debate that has nothing to do with them that’d be great.


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    #208
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    And again, we can explain what is WRONG with trafficking without mere appeal to our own personal disgust. There are moral and philosophical arguments we can make against it.

    Not so much porn or sex work, where you appear to have nothing BUT your personal disgust to go on. And your degrading of people while pretending your issue is with the degrading of people.

    I think it is morally wrong to pay for sex, yes, and I'm perfectly happy to push that view on to others.


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    #209
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    It's not 'her body her choice'. That's an irritating slogan that has become popular for some reason. When you live in a society with other people you can't just do whatever you want.

    Why is it nonsense?


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    #210
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Yes, it should be legalised but *not* regulated
    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    I think it is morally wrong to pay for sex, yes, and I'm perfectly happy to push that view on to others.


    Is it morally wrong for 2 strangers to meet and have sex without knowing each others name and they never intend on speaking again after?


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    #211
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    No, it should be illegal and both client and prostitute guilty of an offence (old law)
    VinLieger wrote: »
    Is it morally wrong for 2 strangers to meet and have sex without knowing each others name and they never intend on speaking again after?

    Yes, I believe so.


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